Here he is looking up the numbers.
Posted on 07/19/2006 1:31:57 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
It is just not sob stories it is a fact of life for millions. When we look at the numbers there could be untold social and economic consequences for untold millions. We know one problem for instance in the african american community is fatherless homes. That has caused much turmoil. However if certain deportation or starve people back over the border proposals are enacted a similar result could happen. This time by Govt fiat. Thus increasing crime and other social problems in the long run. There are a tremendous amount of "mixed" familes out there. That of course is just one aspect of the problem and having to find a solution for it.
I don't think so. When I go hang with family, friends and co workers what is described in that poll seems to be a reality to me. Plus I hang with a pretty diverse group. Some real political and others that don't think much about it till election time. It does seem that most people I have discussed this with when it came up at all, have no problem with people that if they keep their nose clean ,pay fines, pay taxes in 12 to 15 years they become citizens. This sort of mirrors what I am seeing.
Let's think about this...
The illegals came from all over Mexico... By themselves.
The illegals crossed the patrolled US border... By themselves.
The illegals dispersed all over the US... By themselves.
It doesn't seem too far out of line to believe that the illegals will go home by themselves if we remove the incentives that attract the illegals and perhaps even add some disincentives to get them started.
The House will not let that happen if any bill comes out of conference. What we are seeing now is politicalposturing on both sides.
True not everyone will be deported. Some will be starved into submission if I understand that argument correctly. However, I am not really sure how starving the breadwinner of a family and especially to family that is american makes but public policy sense. Seems like a pretty drasctic solution to a problem when there are other avenues available that might not enact such painful and long term consequences
"30% of illegals who came here from Asia"
Every set of statistics Ive seen puts the number of Asian illegals at around 9%. Where does he get this number?
This passage is just dishonest. The Senate bill centainly contains measures to beef up the border (I am doubtful they will ever be implemented; but for the sake of this post, I assume they will). But the bill also provides a path to immigration and citizenship for somewhere between 40 and 80 million folks--only 11 million of whom are living here illegaly now. In other words, the Senate bill just waves its hands and fixes the problem by declaring that what was illegal is no longer illegal and multiplies the existing unassimilated immigrant problem by at least four. See, there, no problem. It's 90% of an open-borders bill by any possible definition of the word.
It's astounding to me that playing politics with the fact that over 11 million people are here illegally abusing the good nature of United States citizens doesn't absolutely apall everyone that learns about it. I can't, for the life of me, understand those that accept this as de facto and endorse it.
Clearly these "politicians" are not only ignoring the idea of sovereignty but are taking steps to water it down at best and destroy it at worst.
Well of course, I guess the debate not only is the consequences of such actions on famileis. But as to worker availabilty etc. I mean I suppose that it is possible that every illegal could be deported or starved to death to the border. OF course that brings up the question-Just because we could do it is it wise?
Perhaps not? Also one has to think of the possible other downfalls of such a program. When this just in a sense create more of an underground economy? Will there be whole new cottage industries in helping evade such deportation? ALso, the fact that needs to be fought of is it wize for our national securioty to suddenaly dump tons of people across the border in mexico and create more havoc to that system.
Also, one thing Medved mentions is the 30 percent that is not Hispanic or Mexican. I believe he is talking about the Chinese there. Well, that opens up a whole new kettle of Fish. Deportation back to Red China. That will be a interesting sight to behold if that happens
McCain, Kennedy, Hagel, Menendez, Specter, Tancredo, Pence, The President and others have political will.
What is missing is the will to enforce another immigration/border security law. The track record of enforcement and securing our borders is pathetic at best.
There will be no imprisonment for employers. That is not in any current bill.
The "starve them out" approach will not work. ICE has estimated it will take five to seven years to come up with a foolproof ID system that will identify who should be here and who should not. What do you do in the interim?
The fact is, there is little political will to go aggressively after employers who, with illegals, are supplying fruits and vegetables, cleaning hotel rooms and office buildings, and performing other services.
Medved's right about the latest polls: they all show majority opinion favoring a guest worker program and a route to citizenship for at least some of those currently here.
At any rate, nothing is going to be accomplished this legislative session, it appears. After the election, Bush is going to drop the entire subject of immigration, as will Congress. There might be some additional border measures enacted, but what you see now is what you're going to have a year from now.
Here he is looking up the numbers.
Enhanced border enforcement and Amnesty.
That's why I want to see the United States borders demonstrably controlled by the United States for a couple years before we commit to a "comprehensive" plan.
The Heritage study most people realize was badly flawed. I remember when I saw it it had some glaring mistakes. It also makes an assumption that everyone wants to move here. That is incorrect. I have known Mexicans that are very much in the circular migration workforce. I happened to be out the other day meeting a friend and some guyhad brought his worker up for a beer before he left. He often comes up for a few months then goes back home. However the Heriatage Study really gave this short shrift. But talking to this guy, it seems that is what the majority like to do he hires. SO again it shows why a giest worker program is a asset
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