Posted on 07/19/2006 1:31:57 PM PDT by catholicfreeper
American Kids
That's one of the first laws that needs to be changed. That, along with employment and social services, are the biggest incentives for coming to this country.
Straw man alert! Nobody is going to starve to death.
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When this just in a sense create more of an underground economy?
Create an underground economy? There are 12 million illegals in the underground economy right now.
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ALso, the fact that needs to be fought of is it wize for our national securioty to suddenaly dump tons of people across the border in mexico and create more havoc to that system.
I’ve been told that these folks are the backbone of the US and Mayor Bloomberg claims that New York City would collapse without them. Mexico will no doubt enter a renaissance era when they arrive.
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the 30 percent that is not Hispanic or Mexican. I believe he is talking about the Chinese there. Well, that opens up a whole new kettle of Fish. Deportation back to Red China.
No problem, if they can’t get home, they can “immigrate” to Mexico or Canada.
Looks like the feds are working on it.....keyword "Real ID Act" and it looks as though it's setting up a Homeland Security approved national ID card.
LOL I am so glad you mention that. You know, I have been hearing all sorts of fun things about town. How the crime was out of control and the illegals were the cause of all the problems. Then I saw this.
"Illegal Immigration and Crime in Hazleton, Pennsylvania
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In an open letter explaining his motivation for proposing the Hazleton Illegal Immigration Relief Act, Mayor Ray Barletta cited a purported rise in crime in Hazleton which he attributed to a large and recent influx of illegal aliens. Perhaps Barletta really believes that this claim are true, but the more I research this issue, the less evidence I am finding to support Barletta's position. To wit, according to reporter Dan Geringer of the Philadelphia Daily News:
"Barletta did not offer any statistical evidence to support those claims. . . . ¶ He told the Daily News that he did not know how many 'illegal aliens' lived or worked or went to school or committed crimes in Hazleton. . . . [H]e could not say how many Hazleton crimes had been committed by 'illegal immigrants' and how many by legal residents."
In other words, Barletta has no evidence whatsoever to support his claim that crime has risen in Hazleton because of illegal aliens, and the only statistics that I could find painted a very different picture. To wit, according to the Los Angeles Times, statistics compiled by the Pennsylvania State Police Uniform Crime Reporting System indicated that Hazleton had a decline in total arrests from 1,458 in 2000 to 1,263 in 2005, notwithstanding a 30 percent increase in the overall population. Moreover, whereas the number of thefts and drug-related crimes has risen from a low point of 80 in 2001 to 127 in 2005, the total number of reported rapes, robberies, homicides and assaults has decreased since 2000. Digging a little deeper, I found a rather interesting post in the blogosphere from a one-time residenct of Hazleton:
"I started college at Penn State Hazleton, so all of the national press . . . about the mayor of Hazleton's anti-illegal immigrant legislation has been interesting. What I find most interesting [is] the 'Smalltown, USA' descriptions of the city. As I recall Hazleton, it had a pretty big underground drug trade and a lots[sic] of mafia, in addition to a bar on every corner. There were some good efforts to keep the place vibrant, but ultimately, it was a pretty depressing place full of lots of ignorant people."
posted by Internet Esquire at 9:33 AM
http://blog.netesq.com/2006/07/illegal-immigration-and-crime-in.html
Got me thinking that I might need to research this a tad more
I have to admit I have mixed feeling on the ID card, but it looks like it is coming
A good question to ask him would be why he would pick a percentage not remotely in line with the commonly accepted percentage. The reason seems clear to me.
Where is the mayor going to get the money to set up his own little ICE force in Hazelton?
He's going to find it much harder to impose his fines and criminal penalties when some of these companies decide to go to court, tying up city resources that could be used for actual violent crimes.
We'll see how well that's working in a year or so.
As to your "strawman" alert. What am i missing> Its seems what our good mostly Christian Legislators are proposing is that it will be illegal to work in these country. In some places to receive even shelter and those that give that will be fined or maybe worse. If I was a ten year old american of an illegal alien and not able to eat that seems like starvation to me. Perhaps I am missing something. But I think people that advocated that have been pretty open that the result of that would be the person would leave. Of course there is the issue of the kid but well you know
Well, I really don't know what guidelines could be created to adequately cover the tax issue because there are too many unknowns and as far as any fedgov or local agency competently administering a program on the scale you're talking about, I'd have little to absolutely no confidence it could be pulled off without it turning into chaos.
Look up the US code, part of the penalty for being in the US illegally is deportation. If we're not going to deport them, that's amnesty.
From Dictionary.com Amnesty: A general pardon granted by a government...
You can find the same exact same comments made about any town from former residents, especially if it's small. The biggest complaint however was not necessarily regarding crime but the services illegals were demanding that the town doesn't have the money for.
Why should American kids be crowed out of their own schools in order to accommodate illegals? Why should hospitals go bankrupt for the same reason? Or the city forced to hire bilingual interpreters or setup dual little leagues as the illegals were not asking for but demanding?
These things wouldn't be happening if the federal government enforced the law and stopped the madness they themsleves have created.
I think it is getting clearer by the day that what sometimes is portrayed as the base is "not". I mean I hand it to the folks at FAIR, and other lobby groups. I mean blast emails being sent blast faxes, etc do give that impression at times. But these polls are starting to show a consistent trend that the "base" as well as other Republican oriented voters like a comprehensive approach.
I really believe the La Raza's are just playing off both parties when the long term goal is a Hispanic First type of party........they have a growing base of spanish only communications, close ties with the Mexican gov't., increasing economic and political clout and all they need is some more warm bodies.
Exactly, I can't wait myself to see how many towns in the next year duplicate Hazelton's new laws because they themselves have had enough.
Well the drain on local resources must be addressed. Hopefully that can be addressed with the guest worker program and lesgislation dealing with that.Of course I agree with you the situation has to be brought under control. That is why I am for both a guest worker program that can be monitered to for economic upswings and downsings, and real border enforcement. Really both are needed to solve the problem
It doesn't appear, from the statistics provided by catholic freeper, that Hazelton has much of a crime problem.
Again, I will be interested in hearing where this mayor is going to get the money to enforce this act. Maybe, since his town's crime is declining, he'll use the regular police force. But, without a secure and foolproof ID system, many companies he might fine are going to tie his city up in court for years.
Every time I hear the word amnesty used lately it sounds very similar to when the Dems say we are cutting Medicare, when what we are doing is trying to cut the future growth or keep it at the rate of infltion. I am now too much seeing the word Amnesty being used much like the every four year mediscare thing we have to go through.
Also, taking your example if laws are changed all the time and even the penalties. Often a person committs a violation in the past but it is not found out till after the law is changed, He is still sentenced under the new law. There is punishiment just not the old punishiment. No one calls that amnesty
No you just had illegals recently caught selling crack and firing weapons at the local playground. I guess that didn't make the statistics. Please read post #72, it had more to do with just crime anyway. Illegals are bankrupting the town.
This is one article he quotes
Barletta recently attracted national attention by championing an "illegal-immigration-relief" ordinance, effective July 13, that will effectively shut down for five years any Hazleton business caught hiring "illegal aliens" and any landlord caught renting or leasing to them.
The ordinance states "that illegal immigration leads to higher crime rates, contributes to overcrowded classrooms and failing schools, subjects our hospitals to fiscal hardship and legal residents to substandard quality of care, and destroys our neighborhoods and diminishes our overall quality of life."
Barletta did not offer any statistical evidence to support those claims yesterday.
He told the Daily News that he did not know how many "illegal aliens" lived or worked or went to school or committed crimes in Hazleton.
Barletta repeatedly cited three recent crimes in Hazleton - a murder, a playground shooting and a crack-cocaine operation - that involved illegal immigrants.
He said that those crimes had tied up the 31 police officers who serve 31,000 residents and that "every minute spent on policing illegal immigrants is a minute not spent on serving legal residents."
But he could not say how many Hazleton crimes had been committed by "illegal immigrants" and how many by legal residents.
He said that his small-town budget was "buckling under the strain of illegal immigrants" but that he did not know how many undocumented workers contributed to the city's budget by paying taxes.
Bloomberg, on the other
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/14975237.htm
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