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Feds Worried - Did We Just Witness Another Attempted Huge Terrorist Attack Against America?
Friends and fiends in law enforcement anf news media | MB26

Posted on 07/19/2006 7:49:50 PM PDT by MindBender26

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To: MindBender26

Big ships like this one can't make radical abrupt turns. It takes much effort to even begin to turn a ship like this. It's not a formula car for cryin out loud. This explanation is BS.


41 posted on 07/19/2006 8:10:51 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Could mecca be Satan's' throne?)
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To: Cicero

> I'd be curious what kind of steering system it has.
> Cables? Hydraulics? Electronic controls?

Steering (and listing) is not just a matter of rudder,
or even differential thrust, on modern ships. They also
often have stabilizer vanes (for heavy seas) and/or
bow/stern thrusters (for tug-less docking). In concert,
all of these systems could impart some interesting
dynamics.

Given the number of fires, groundings, illnesses and
other mishaps attributable to incompetence on these
boats, I'm inclined to think malfunction/incompetence
until contrary evidence arises.


42 posted on 07/19/2006 8:10:56 PM PDT by Boundless (Imagine if Fox had a news channel)
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To: MindBender26
What a great way to guarantee a madly hyper-focused helmsman his 76 virgins!

What, he gets 4 more virgins if he kills Christians and Jews? ;o)

43 posted on 07/19/2006 8:12:03 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (NEVER ARGUE WITH IDIOTS!!! THEY*LL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE!!!!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Where is Michael Rivero anyway?


44 posted on 07/19/2006 8:12:35 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (+++ DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS +++)
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To: takenoprisoner

>Big ships like this one can't make radical abrupt turns.

But this one did, didn't it? (see MSM reports, please)


45 posted on 07/19/2006 8:13:29 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: Donna Lee Nardo

>Where is Michael Rivero anyway?

He lived on the Big Island, part of the Free Hawaii Movement.


46 posted on 07/19/2006 8:14:15 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: MindBender26

What?


47 posted on 07/19/2006 8:15:02 PM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (+++ DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS +++)
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To: MindBender26
Several inaccuracies in this article:

...The 3000 passenger 22-knot floating hotel "Crown Princess" was 11 miles south of Port Canaveral, heading out on a Western Caribbean cruise ...

It had completed the Western Caribbean cruise and was heading to Brooklyn.

...the ship was launched in 2003...

It was launched in 2006.

48 posted on 07/19/2006 8:15:09 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Why aren't lawyers ever accused of price gouging?)
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To: Cicero

The steering system is hydraulic electric. Huge hydraulic rams position the rudder. The controls are electric, unless things have changed since I retired as a Coast Guard Marine Inspector, there should be servos controlling the whole system from the bridge to the steering compartment.


49 posted on 07/19/2006 8:16:00 PM PDT by weps4ret (Things the make you go; Hmmmmmmm?)
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To: FReepaholic

These ships have thew equivalent of airplane "black boxes"...every movement, every control input to the engines and systems is recorded, as well as who did what...this will be easy to backtrack and confirm/deny..


50 posted on 07/19/2006 8:16:42 PM PDT by ken5050
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51 posted on 07/19/2006 8:18:00 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: MindBender26

Did you short the cruise lines today?


52 posted on 07/19/2006 8:18:19 PM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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To: MindBender26
Click:


53 posted on 07/19/2006 8:18:43 PM PDT by XR7
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To: Dog Gone
My first thought was that perhaps the ship had a glancing blow with a submarine. Don't know whether that could cause the list in this case.

Agree those ships don't turn quickly, but they can turn on a dime with the thrusters.

54 posted on 07/19/2006 8:19:08 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Hurricane season 2006 - Be prepared and have a plan)
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To: FReepaholic

>>...the ship was launched in 2003...

>It was launched in 2006.

Actually no. Stories about it being launched in 2006 are wrong. It was launched (made to float) in 2003, fitted out, then christened (by Martha Stewart!) in 2006.

In the cruise business, launching to revenue runs is a few years.


55 posted on 07/19/2006 8:19:09 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: MindBender26

"...a worse drunk." Ok--now you're bragging.


56 posted on 07/19/2006 8:19:13 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: MindBender26

I'm looking into the mysterious deaths in Disney rides, particularly the Rock n Roller Coaster. I can't think of a more nefarious way to rent the very fabric of Amercan society than by fostering doubt about one of our great rock and roll icons. It's horrifying. I'm not sure how these fiendish devils came up with it.


57 posted on 07/19/2006 8:20:15 PM PDT by Gone GF
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To: gotribe

>Did you short the cruise lines today?

No.

I did Google

:~)


58 posted on 07/19/2006 8:20:24 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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To: MindBender26

Sounds like a situation desperate for investigation done in full broad daylight with complete disclosure.


59 posted on 07/19/2006 8:21:10 PM PDT by Quix (PRAY AND WORK WHILE THERE'S DAY! Many very dark nights are looming. Thankfully, God is still God!)
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To: Pharmboy

>"...a worse drunk." Ok--now you're bragging.

Yeah, but they fixed the wall so all is Ok now!

:~)


60 posted on 07/19/2006 8:21:23 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Having my own CAR-15 in RVN meant never having to say I was sorry....)
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