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Minutemen skeptical of ties with Keyes project (Funding Questions)
The Washington Times ^ | 7-20-06 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 07/20/2006 12:08:29 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps calls itself a "project of the Declaration Alliance," although few MCDC volunteers know what the alliance does or why Minuteman donations are routed through the charity founded and headed by conservative activist Alan Keyes.

Several Minuteman leaders and members questioned the wisdom of ceding control over fundraising to the Herndon-based Declaration Alliance, part of an intricate weave of conservative organizations founded and chaired by Mr. Keyes or tied to longtime Keyes associates working with MCDC.

MCDC President Chris Simcox told The Washington Times that the alliance offers "an experienced organization for mass mailings, advertising and public relations" and the ability to conduct a "fully accredited and independent audit" of MCDC finances.

Mr. Simcox said he "checked these people out very carefully before agreeing to work with them" and that he made the "correct decision" in hiring "clean professional consultants, accountants and media professionals." He did not, however, disclose during an interview last week or in a 3,961-word follow-up statement how much Declaration Alliance and its affiliated organizations have been paid for their services

During the interview, he said, "Not one cent of MCDC money has been spent on alliance projects." The statement, released on the MCDC Web page, www.minutemanhq.com/hq/, does not mention Declaration Alliance or Mr. Keyes. ...."

"..Diener Consultants first contacted the Minuteman organization in early 2005, said Ms. Hair, the MCDC spokeswoman who also was a top adviser to Mr. Keyes in his presidential and senatorial races. She said she called Mr. Simcox after the Minuteman group was created to ask whether he had a media plan. After being told no, she said, she met with Mr. Simcox and Minuteman co-founder James Gilchrist in Washington and signed an agreement...."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; immigration; keyes; mcdc; minutemanproject; minutemen; mmp; seper; simcox
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This is the second article today from the Washington Times on the subject of Minuteman funding. The first is, Minutemen not watching over funds (Simcox Questioned Over Funds)
1 posted on 07/20/2006 12:08:33 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: cmsgop; xcullen; Anti-Bubba182; Mo1; cyncooper; BillF; crushkerry; Howlin; backhoe; onyx; JeanS; ...

Ping


2 posted on 07/20/2006 12:13:03 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

bttt


3 posted on 07/20/2006 12:18:44 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"...said Ms. Hair..."


Okie dokie.


4 posted on 07/20/2006 12:23:44 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

BTTT


5 posted on 07/20/2006 12:25:16 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: dixiechick2000
And this matters exactly how?

L

6 posted on 07/20/2006 12:26:04 AM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: dixiechick2000

Blast from the past!


7 posted on 07/20/2006 12:26:29 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Lurker

It matters...


8 posted on 07/20/2006 12:27:57 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
During the interview, he said, "Not one cent of MCDC money has been spent on alliance projects." The statement, released on the MCDC Web page, www.minutemanhq.com/hq/, does not mention Declaration Alliance or Mr. Keyes. ...."

This is true, but there is no doubt the two groups are working in tandem.

9 posted on 07/20/2006 12:28:12 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Yessir! ;o)


10 posted on 07/20/2006 12:28:21 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

No Doubt Whatever!


11 posted on 07/20/2006 12:29:31 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: dixiechick2000
How exactly?

L

12 posted on 07/20/2006 12:35:24 AM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
but there is no doubt the two groups are working in tandem.

Is this illegal?

L

13 posted on 07/20/2006 12:57:32 AM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Thank you, I will take a look.


14 posted on 07/20/2006 1:02:03 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Lurker
Is this illegal?

What made you think I said that?

15 posted on 07/20/2006 1:54:36 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: Lurker
And this matters exactly how?

A financial scandal involving the Minutemen or Alan Keyes might be a shot below the waterline for some very pro-American conservatives and an opportunity for anti-American liberals to say "See we told you so..." and for George Bush to make another outrageous accusation about "vigilantes". Do you see?

16 posted on 07/20/2006 4:57:55 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Liberal democrats: Trying to defeat America again.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

That's a nice start at connecting the dots on the maze of organizations Simcox has gotten himself involved in.

Maybe next time they'll note how ineffective the Keyes organizations have been at everything other than fundraising - in other words, the high percentage of funds collected going to overhead rather than to the stated purpose of the organizations.


17 posted on 07/20/2006 5:43:57 AM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: The Shrew; Skeet; Nick Danger

Pingaroo...


18 posted on 07/20/2006 6:29:54 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: dixiechick2000

Uh-huh.


19 posted on 07/20/2006 6:43:45 AM PDT by Howlin (Pres.Bush ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing foreign countries right on our borders!!~~Zook)
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20 posted on 07/20/2006 7:28:48 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: dixiechick2000; Amelia
Did you know that only 5% of donations to Keyes' organization go to the stated purpose of the PAC?

95% is used for sustaining the organization, more fundraising, etc.

Amelia has some interesting links that back this up on post #48 of This Thread.

21 posted on 07/20/2006 9:39:28 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Lurker
And this matters exactly how?

It keeps the anti-MM crowd happy.

23 posted on 07/20/2006 10:15:59 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Marine Inspector
It keeps the anti-MM crowd happy.

Don't condemn all the border-watching groups just because of Simcox's apparent fraud.

24 posted on 07/20/2006 10:53:23 AM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: Anti-Bubba182
It sounds like Simcox got taken by Beltway political fundraising sharpies.

The important thing is that Minuteman Project & Minuteman Civil Defense Corps are first-class guerilla theatre and were instrumental in giving voice to the anti-illegal silent majority. Civilians protecting the Border when our own government wouldn't sparked the revolt against what at the time seemed a relentless drive to amnesty for illegals.

Such results would be cheap at twice the price.

25 posted on 07/20/2006 11:00:35 AM PDT by AppleButter
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To: Lurker

What Hairs around goes around.


26 posted on 07/20/2006 11:05:05 AM PDT by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

*yawn* This article is just another political ploy to discredit these organizations in order to hinder the good work they're doing. There's no evidence of wrong doing.

I have a novel idea! How about we all join forces to save our national sovereignty--first, by protecting our borders? Let's quit tearing down and defaming those who are trying to save and protect our country, or else we deserve what we get--the invasion of millions of people with no allegiance to our self-governing form of government, which will be one factor in our eventual loss of it.


27 posted on 07/20/2006 11:29:06 AM PDT by Nan48
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To: Anti-Bubba182
From the article:

Founded in 1996 by Mr. Keyes, Declaration Alliance is a charity with tax-exempt status under Internal Revenue Service guidelines. Along with its political action committee, DAPAC, it forms the "political counterpart" of Declaration Foundation, a nonprofit educational organization also founded by Mr. Keyes. According to its Web page (www.declarationalliance.org), the alliance seeks to influence policy and legislation, including initiatives to protect constitutional rights. Its 2006 political goals, through DAPAC, include overturning Roe v. Wade, replacing the income tax with a national sales tax, protecting the right to keep and bear arms, prosecuting the war on terrorism, and securing America's borders "against foreign invasion."

The alliance also has targeted for defeat Democratic Sen. Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California, whom it calls "hard-core, left-wing liberals," and Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Mike DeWine of Ohio and Rep. Christopher Shays, Connecticut Republican..."

Wow! Sounds like GREAT conservative goals. Where do I sign up? Such goals used to be shared by everyone on Free Republic. Now many here are attacking an organization and an individual just because they have ties with this CONSERVATIVE organization.

What have we become!!? Wait a minute. I look at the front page of FR and there's a link to the Declaration Foundation. Oh, and right there on the foundation's home page is a link right back to Free Republic. Does that surprise me? No. We're fellow conservative organizations prosecuting the war against liberalism in our own way. What surprises me is how quick some FReepers have jumped onto this to try to bring down the Minuteman Project, Alan Keyes, the Declaration Foundation, and anyone else peripherally involved and they're using leftist words, tools, and sources in their destructive effort.

28 posted on 07/20/2006 11:30:54 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


29 posted on 07/20/2006 11:59:55 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Rex Anderson
Don't condemn all the border-watching groups just because of Simcox's apparent fraud.

I don't, but the folks that like these articles do.

30 posted on 07/20/2006 12:12:25 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Spiff
The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps calls itself a "project of the Declaration Alliance,"

What surprises me is how quick some FReepers have jumped onto this to try to bring down the Minuteman Project,

The article is not talking about the Minuteman Project. It is revering to Minuteman Civil Defense Corps

31 posted on 07/20/2006 12:16:11 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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To: TLI
revering .... how `bout referring!
32 posted on 07/20/2006 12:17:30 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I expect I'll keep forgetting to send money to the Minuteman Project until they disassociate themselves from Keyes & Co. I hadn't been aware of the connection.


33 posted on 07/20/2006 12:32:41 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Lurker

Being an old timer, YOU should know exactly why that matters.
Please don't play the innocent.


34 posted on 07/20/2006 2:17:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: dixiechick2000

Yes, it does.


35 posted on 07/20/2006 2:17:32 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Rex Anderson

Thanks for the link. We all need to connect the dots....which are about as confusing looking, as those children's connect the dot books.


36 posted on 07/20/2006 2:20:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: BigSkyFreeper
This is true, but there is no doubt the two groups are working in tandem.

Last time I checked, the Bill of Rights, which guarantees freedom of political association for all Americans, was still in effect.

Some would have it otherwise, it would seem.

37 posted on 07/20/2006 2:22:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Howlin
LOL! Cough,Cough,Damn Hairballs.
38 posted on 07/20/2006 2:23:04 PM PDT by cmsgop ( President Mahmud Ahmadinejad Must Purify Himself in The Waters of Lake Minnetonka)
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To: nopardons; Howlin
Don't forget this link!

Talking Head Stops Making Sense

39 posted on 07/20/2006 2:28:43 PM PDT by Rex Anderson
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To: nopardons
Actually I don't. Why don't you let me in on the relevant details.

L

40 posted on 07/20/2006 2:48:10 PM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Damn when it rains it pours....

:-)


41 posted on 07/20/2006 2:48:57 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: Interesting Times; Registered

Hey, how are you guys?


42 posted on 07/20/2006 2:52:02 PM PDT by abner (Looking for a new tagline- Next outrage please!- Got it! PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS LOST IN THE USA!)
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To: Spiff
What surprises me is how quick some FReepers have jumped onto this to try to bring down the Minuteman Project, Alan Keyes, the Declaration Foundation, and anyone else peripherally involved and they're using leftist words, tools, and sources in their destructive effort.

Why does it suprise you Spiff? None of the people jumping on the "Let's Get Simcox" bandwagon are conservatives. They don't act like conservatives, they don't post like conservatives, they don't espouse conservative values, and they seem to rip anyone who does.

Now if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, violates the forum rules like a duck, then in all probability it is a duck.

So once and for all just realize that the people who are attacking the MM are liberals. Just look where they get their information. It's a laundry list of the usual suspects from the legacy drive by media right on down to Morris Dees, the ACLU, and MoveOn.org.

They haven't a shred of evidence of criminal activity, just some inexplicable personal animus against this Ms. Hair person and Chris Simcox.

It would be extremely interesting if one of the attorneys in the employ or Mr. Simcox were to take advantage of some recent Court rulings regarding slander and libel posted by people who think they're anonymous on the internet.

It's also interesting that even the founder of this forum who supports Tom Tancredo never seems to get any crap tossed his way. My guess is that this is due to a distinct lack of testicular function on the part of some of these posters. I mean they feel free to respond negatively to our postings of support for Congressman Tancredo but they never seem to do the same when our benevolent sponsor does so.

Why do you suppose that would be, Spiff?

L

43 posted on 07/20/2006 2:57:43 PM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Congressman Pence. What is he milking squids for the ink?)
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To: abner
Hey, how are you guys?

Doing fine, thanks.

Popcorn?

44 posted on 07/20/2006 3:06:18 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Spiff
Wait a minute. I look at the front page of FR and there's a link to the Declaration Foundation

My gosh you are right. There is also a link to Salon. Wow!

45 posted on 07/20/2006 3:08:23 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Interesting Times

Yes, please.. Light on the salt...


46 posted on 07/20/2006 3:15:34 PM PDT by abner (Looking for a new tagline- Next outrage please!- Got it! PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS LOST IN THE USA!)
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To: Spiff
Wow! Sounds like GREAT conservative goals. Where do I sign up? Such goals used to be shared by everyone on Free Republic. Now many here are attacking an organization and an individual just because they have ties with this CONSERVATIVE organization.

They DO sound like great conservative goals, until you look at their FEC reports and find that they only reported spending 5% of the money they took in for those goals.

The other 95% goes for fundraising.

Real effective, dontcha think?

47 posted on 07/20/2006 3:57:23 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Marine Inspector
I don't, but the folks that like these articles do.

Source?

48 posted on 07/20/2006 4:02:30 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping. It's beginning to look like old home week.


49 posted on 07/20/2006 4:16:37 PM PDT by Skeet (Support our military and their families.)
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To: Lurker
None of the people jumping on the "Let's Get Simcox" bandwagon are conservatives. They don't act like conservatives, they don't post like conservatives, they don't espouse conservative values, and they seem to rip anyone who does.

If failing to keep one's word, slavery reparations, grifting, dissembling and lying are now conservative values, count me out. I don't want to be one of those kinds of conservatives. I guess y'all like Duke Cunningham a lot, though.

My guess is that this is due to a distinct lack of testicular function on the part of some of these posters.

I'm not ashamed to say that I've been totally devoid of testicular function for my entire life.

I suspect that some of you "tough guy" posters have as well. Maybe that's why you need all the threats & name-calling you use.

50 posted on 07/20/2006 4:19:25 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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