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Noah's Ark in Iran?
Associates for Biblical Research (ABR) ^ | July 19, 2006 | Rick Lanser, M.Div.

Posted on 07/21/2006 10:13:22 AM PDT by Sopater

This article was first published in the July 2006 ABR Electronic Newsletter.

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. – Genesis 11:1–2 (KJV)


The Media Blitz

Since mid-June, 2006 there has been a flurry of reports in the media and on the Internet about the possible discovery of Noah's Ark on a mountain in northern Iran. Robert ("Bob") Cornuke, who has previously claimed to have found such notable things as the true Mount Sinai, the place of Paul's shipwreck off the coast of Malta, and the location of the Ark of the Covenant, has now focused on what is perhaps the biggest target of all, both literally and figuratively – Noah's Ark.

In brief, on a mountain known locally as Takht-e Suleiman in the Elborz range of northern Iran, Cornuke and his team found an "unusual object" at the 13,120-foot elevation which is currently (7/16/06) described on his website (http://www.baseinstitute.org/noah.html) as "dark rock with an uncanny beam-like appearance in several places," having a texture and color unique to the area, and of the approximate dimensions of Noah's Ark. Cornuke adds that some samples were tested by an independent lab and "showed signs of petrified wood," though what those signs were has not yet been announced, and these signs evidently did not apply to the entire object. There was additionally a second finding of wood near the summit that may be from a shrine, reportedly dated to 500 years old.

[snip] - cut to chase...

Conclusions

For the above and other reasons which space does not allow me to deal with, it appears that Bob Cornuke's "filters" have prevented him from dealing fairly with much information which does not fit into his "Ark in Iran" hypothesis. When such data is considered, it raises great doubt that he has found anything related to Noah's Ark on Takht-e Suleiman. I would love to see his find hold up to close scrutiny so it can be used as a witness to the world of the trustworthiness of the Bible, but if I – who, as a brother in Christ, am "on his team" – can come up with this many problems in identifying the find on Mount Suleiman with the Ark, we can be sure that an unfriendly, secular world full of dyed-in-the-wool skeptics will find many more reasons to reject it. The best I think he can hope for is that many will want to hear his story as an adventure tale – but that may be enough for him, an expected benefit of the aggressive promotion of the site at the beginning. I just hope that in view of the many problems that have come to light, he presents his audiences with the FULL story, warts and all.


TOPICS: Unclassified
KEYWORDS: ararat; ark; cornuke; globalflood; godsgravesglyphs; iran; noahsark; postedinwrongforum; takhtesuleiman
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Interesting Article if you've been following the Cornuke claim to have possibly discovered Noah's Ark.
1 posted on 07/21/2006 10:13:24 AM PDT by Sopater
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To: Sopater
Keyword: ARK

:o)

2 posted on 07/21/2006 10:14:24 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing (and moving to Texas!))
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To: Sopater

If it's in Iran, that means the last animals off the ark were the jackasses.


3 posted on 07/21/2006 10:14:44 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: K4Harty

Scratch my Post #2 - Different source, this one. The others are WVW, WND and NG.


4 posted on 07/21/2006 10:16:29 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing (and moving to Texas!))
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To: N. Theknow

When this was first posted, I knew it was too good to be true.

It seems as though every ten years, someone claims to have a photograph or something of the Arc. Then as with UFO sightings, there is not one piece of evidence. Not one nail, not one board...nothing...

Then you end up hearing about it on some hafl @ss documentary on Sundays during rain delays of ball games, narrated by Leonard Nimoy.


5 posted on 07/21/2006 10:19:35 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you again Jimmy Carter.)
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To: nikos1121

What I am wondering right now is why the Ark had a door on each level.


6 posted on 07/21/2006 10:21:45 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Sopater

It was too good to be true when it was first announced. Nobody can come up with a plausible explanation of how the ark became petrified wood in 4000 years on the top of a mountain exposed to the elements.

It is completely impossible.


7 posted on 07/21/2006 10:23:10 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Sopater

Don't any of these guys own cameras?


8 posted on 07/21/2006 10:24:19 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: RightWhale

"What I am wondering right now is why the Ark had a door on each level."

Is there a joke here? I'm slow today.


9 posted on 07/21/2006 10:25:44 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you again Jimmy Carter.)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

PING!


10 posted on 07/21/2006 10:27:56 AM PDT by Andonius_99 (They [liberals] aren't humans, but rather a species of hairless retarded ape.)
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To: nikos1121

How did gopherwood become square timbers?


11 posted on 07/21/2006 10:30:56 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale
What I am wondering right now is why the Ark had a door on each level.

It would be easier than bringing animals onto the Ark and then trying to get them up and down the stairs...
12 posted on 07/21/2006 10:31:41 AM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Sopater

The story of Noah's Ark is ridiculous. A handful of animals, free water life, plants and so forth were stored on an ark, and the water was taken away to an undisclosed location, and they speed migrated and speed evolved to their respective habitats in six thousand years........

Why grown-ups take this seriously is beyond me.


13 posted on 07/21/2006 10:34:51 AM PDT by JHBowden (A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence. -- David Hume)
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To: Sopater

Every picture/drawing of the animal onloading shows a single gangplank and a single door. Why do the artists ignore the three doors requirement? Also, why did they apply bitumen on the inside?


14 posted on 07/21/2006 10:36:02 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: JHBowden

It's not to be taken literally but is in a form that has preserved a teaching complete. Problem is, the key is either lost or in the hands of someone who wants it kept out of public knowledge.


15 posted on 07/21/2006 10:38:20 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Sopater

Noah's Ark does not nor did it ever exist. It is fictional.


16 posted on 07/21/2006 10:39:37 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: Sopater

Noah's Ark does not nor did it ever exist. It is fictional.


17 posted on 07/21/2006 10:40:20 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: JHBowden
Why grown-ups take this seriously is beyond me.

You think that's strange, you should see the list of things that would have to have happened for evolutionism to be true. Some people will believe anything as long as it supports their worldview, attempts to explain the evidence, and presents some level of justification for their preferred behaviors.
18 posted on 07/21/2006 10:40:37 AM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: TruthWillWin
Noah's Ark does not nor did it ever exist. It is fictional.

Why, because you say so?
19 posted on 07/21/2006 10:41:51 AM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: TruthWillWin

Was Jesus fictional?


20 posted on 07/21/2006 10:42:36 AM PDT by freedomlover (This tagline has been pulled - - - - OK?)
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To: TruthWillWin

Yes, but the story exists, and for a purpose. All this debate about whether it 'really' happened is sidetracking energies that ought to go into understanding the meaning of the story.


21 posted on 07/21/2006 10:43:20 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Rudder

There are photos on this thread at reply #33 & 35. #33 is the second link below.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1662218/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1662218/posts?page=33#33


22 posted on 07/21/2006 10:45:19 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The media and the democrats are the biggest supporters of the terrorists.)
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To: JHBowden
I'm not going to live and die for a word for word translation on any part of The Bible, but with God all things are possible.
23 posted on 07/21/2006 10:46:09 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: freedomlover

Probably not.


24 posted on 07/21/2006 10:49:31 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: freedomlover

Not hardly. Josephus mentions him, and there is other documentation of the public record type, some no doubt questionable.


25 posted on 07/21/2006 10:51:40 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Andonius_99
Thanks Andonius_99. There have been about four of these on Cornuke, so I'm not going to ping.
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26 posted on 07/21/2006 10:53:42 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Rudder; Dog Gone; Sopater
"Don't any of these guys own cameras?"

There are pictures on the following article and two threads. This article today is dissappointing. It provides no new information. It neither confirms nor disproves the claim.

Noah's Ark for real?

Team believes it found Noah's Ark (In Iran) 06/30/06
Noah's Ark Discovered in Iran? 07/08/06

27 posted on 07/21/2006 10:57:17 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Sopater
You think that's strange, you should see the list of things that would have to have happened for evolutionism to be true.

I'd like to see your list.

Believing that the entire planet was covered with water that had to be at least 26,000 feet deep (it had to be deep enough to cover Mt. Everest, which is over 26,000 feet ABOVE sea level)is just a bit farfetched. Just where did all that water go when it "receded"?

28 posted on 07/21/2006 11:02:06 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Sopater

I heard that Noah's Ark was really a little 30 foot long river barge in which he loaded his family and some livestock and set sail along the Tigris River down to the Gulf to escape some localized flooding.


29 posted on 07/21/2006 11:04:49 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: DannyTN

The claim was never believable in the first place. Do you have any idea how petrified wood is formed?

Even IF they found petrified wood, that would conclusively prove that it is NOT the ark.


30 posted on 07/21/2006 11:06:44 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

His geologist says "looks like petrified wood. looks like basalt." Well, which is it?

I'm no geologist, but I've seen outcroppings of layered, splitting rock locally. Must have been the North American ark.

Mrs VS


31 posted on 07/21/2006 11:08:00 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: Rudder
Don't any of these guys own cameras?

They sure do. Here's a photo.

It's right there. Clear as day. By God it's Noah's Ark!!!

Here's another one.

Who can possibly doubt the existance of Noah's Ark after this hard evidence???

32 posted on 07/21/2006 11:08:08 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Hatteras
I heard that Noah's Ark was really a little 30 foot long river barge in which he loaded his family and some livestock and set sail along the Tigris River down to the Gulf to escape some localized flooding.

That, at least, sounds plausible.
33 posted on 07/21/2006 11:08:16 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: DannyTN
This article today is dissappointing. It provides no new information. It neither confirms nor disproves the claim.

Dissapointing maybe, but in the endless search for truth, all sides must be equally presented and weighed. Without such careful criticism of the stories we would like to be true, we are no better than the "so-called" scientists who wish to ultimately squash all dissent on the theory of evolution and an old earth.
34 posted on 07/21/2006 11:11:22 AM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Drew68
Who can possibly doubt the existance of Noah's Ark after this hard evidence???

yep. looks like every other petrfied mountain boat i've run across.

35 posted on 07/21/2006 11:14:05 AM PDT by Eddeche
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To: VeritatisSplendor

There has to have been an Australian Ark, too. Either that, or Noah made a pit stop to drop off the marsupials before heading back to the Middle East.


36 posted on 07/21/2006 11:17:19 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Drew68

Both pix look like an outcropping of basaltic rock.


37 posted on 07/21/2006 11:18:22 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: freedomlover
"Was Jesus fictional?"

There is more evidence for Jesus than anyone else in history from that time.

Very few writings of any kind at all secular or otherwise survived from that era. From the decade of the 30's, all that survives is a fragment of an amateur history of Rome by AVelleius Paterculus. From the 40's, are fables written by Phaedrus. And from the 50's and 60's about 1 foot of material survived.

38 posted on 07/21/2006 11:18:55 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Sopater
"Dissapointing maybe, but in the endless search for truth, all sides must be equally presented and weighed."

I agree, the article just didn't seem to add anything at all. I knew nothing more after reading the article than I had gathered from the 6/30/06 thread.

39 posted on 07/21/2006 11:21:49 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: RJS1950
Both pix look like an outcropping of basaltic rock.

But if you step back about 20 feet and squint your eyes really hard while cocking your head to the right, it sorta looks like a boat that could've carried one pair of every animal on earth while the entire globe was covered with water.

Umm... < /sarcasm>

40 posted on 07/21/2006 11:25:41 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: TruthWillWin

The great flood is reported in most of the ancient writings regardless of the religion.


41 posted on 07/21/2006 11:33:14 AM PDT by Foolsgold
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Does the bible story mention Mrs. Ark? I came to believe as I grew older that it was an analogy about a man who went to the store to get a loaf of bread and never returned. (He left his wife.)

And if it is so, the women in the "Ark" neighborhood were gossiping and the men about town, the scribes, said he went on a fishing trip and never returned.

Makes sense to me.

42 posted on 07/21/2006 11:43:04 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Foolsgold
One has to define the term "great flood" as the writer meant it to be.

Katrina was a "great flood". It wouldn't have been construed as much of anything if Louisiana wasn't populated.

Or picture a Tsunami as what they meant.

43 posted on 07/21/2006 11:49:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Tokra
I'd like to see your list.

We could start with the origin of life through natural processes.

Better yet, we could start with the origin of the building blocks of life such as organic molecules with the proper chirality for life to even exist.

Or, what about the ability to add genetic information in such leaps and bounds that some functional attribute is actually acquired by a particular life form.

Or the question of sexual reproduction. There are some interesting fairy tales that are used to explain how that came about as well.

Anyway, this thread is not about the miracles of evolution. It's about critically examining evidence for a possible location of Noah's Ark. The evidence for a global flood, such as marine fossils on mountain tops, stratification of earth layers, rapid burial of various lifeforms found all around the globe (fossils), and even an abundance of water covering the majority of the earth's surface make the global flood of Noah more believable than any of the stories that have been told regarding the few issues listed above.
44 posted on 07/21/2006 11:53:45 AM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Foolsgold
The great flood is reported in most of the ancient writings regardless of the religion.

Maybe it's because most cultures have experienced really big floods. It says nothing about a flood that would have involved ~10^9 cubic miles of water mysteriously appearing and disappearing.

45 posted on 07/21/2006 11:53:48 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: Sopater
The evidence for a global flood, such as marine fossils on mountain tops, stratification of earth layers, rapid burial of various lifeforms found all around the globe (fossils), and even an abundance of water covering the majority of the earth's surface make the global flood of Noah more believable than any of the stories that have been told regarding the few issues listed above.

Maybe to you. However to me, and to most scientists, these things are evidence of plate tectonics, not Noah's Ark.

46 posted on 07/21/2006 11:59:04 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Drew68
Thanks!

A Feadship... ...it's not.

47 posted on 07/21/2006 12:03:52 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Tokra
Hey, it's all evidence; and all of the evidence supports the truth.
48 posted on 07/21/2006 12:07:21 PM PDT by Sopater (Creatio Ex Nihilo)
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To: Sopater
Hey, it's all evidence; and all of the evidence supports the truth.

I agree 100%. All the evidence PROVES the theory of plate tectonics.

But please tell me, since the world was flooded more than 26,000 feet ABOVE sea level - where did all that water go when it receded?

49 posted on 07/21/2006 12:11:17 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Sopater
The origin of life on this planet and the evidence for Noah's Flood are two quite different issues. They are related only the minds of the biblical literalists who feel duty-bound to defend every chapter of the book of Genesis.

An evolutionist can believe in Noah's Flood, and a Creationist can believe the flood is an allegory.

There seems to be an underlying belief among the ark aficionados that the discovery of Noah's Ark would somehow validate everything else contained in Genesis, and that it would conclusively disprove evolution and every other secular concept in the world today.

It's just not so.

First, the discovery wouldn't be conclusive. The best they could hope for is compelling evidence that a ship was found high on a mountain somewhere in the region that dates to about 2000 BC. It would be impossible to prove that it wasn't built at that location as some religious monument. It would certainly spark a lively conversation, though.

If you want a discovery that would really shake up the theological and secular worlds, find me the other Ark. The Ark of the Covenant, containing the Ten Commandments written by the finger of God, a bowl of manna, and one other thing which I don't recall. Extra bonus points if you die when you touch it.

Now, that would be impressive.

50 posted on 07/21/2006 12:24:55 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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