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Why Can't My Liberal Friends Talk Politics
July 21, 2006 | jhw61

Posted on 07/21/2006 5:12:21 PM PDT by jhw61

Not once since Hizbollah kidnapped two Israeli soldiers, killed a young Israeli citizen have my liberal friends mentioned once in office conversation. Today I felt totally shut up when one of my co-workers made a comment about "my governor, Mitt Romney" and new benefit rules for MassHealth. I started to respond and was shut down by another co-worker who said O.k. let's not talk politics. I said "You democrates never want to talk politics." It's so frustrating. Day after day after I spend my evenings here on FR, my liberal co-workers talk about the next pair of curtains they are going to buy, wow, those Red Sox are so hot, etc.,...I'm surrounded by what I would say are people who really don't care about what goes on around them, unaware how what goes on in the world should affect them. My four fellow female co-workers never want to Discuss anything. Their feeling is people should be able to believe what they want, worship who they want and that's it. What is wrong with me. Why do I feel so isolated? Yes, I live in liberal Massachusetts and that should be the answer right there but I could use some encouraging comments. Thank you for considering my thread my wondersul fellow Freepers. There has to more to life than talking about curtains and paint doesn't there?


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1 posted on 07/21/2006 5:12:23 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: jhw61

If you were a democrat would you want to talk about politics? LOL


2 posted on 07/21/2006 5:16:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: jhw61

In these times, everyone's afraid of getting into political dust-ups at the water cooler.

Do you belong to a USDA-approved ethinc minority? It's practically a crime to argue with such.


4 posted on 07/21/2006 5:18:15 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: jhw61; BufordP

You should try working with another FReeper, especially if you get paid by the hour!


5 posted on 07/21/2006 5:19:25 PM PDT by nerdwithamachinegun (All generalizations are wrong.)
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To: jhw61
I don't talk about politics at the office. There are several liberals there, and I have to work with them on technical stuff. If I talked politics with them, we'd end up despising each other openly, and cooperation on other projects for work would suffer. There is no point in even trying to reason with modern liberals.
6 posted on 07/21/2006 5:20:11 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: jhw61

Because they know they don't have facts or reason on their side, merely leftist superstitions.........


7 posted on 07/21/2006 5:21:10 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrats: Trust Nancy Pelosi to Win the War on Terror!! (gag))
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To: jhw61
your first problem is where you live... I mean these are the same people who reelect the swimmer and scary Kerry year after year. Don't feel isolated. I work with a whole bunch of blue stater's who daily attack the way the government is run. The Israel problem is something they don't talk about. Why because their bleeding hearts are with the terrorists. I fortunately have facts provided by this site and others to bludgeon them with. I get great joy from shutting them down. Politics in the work place can be bloody. be glad you don't have to deal with it. And be glad you have FRiends of FR
8 posted on 07/21/2006 5:22:03 PM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: sinanju

When you know (or at least believe) the deck is stacked and the deal is not looking good for you, that tends to cut conversation short.

Egos, particularly liberal egos, are often easily bruised.


9 posted on 07/21/2006 5:22:13 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: cripplecreek
Exactly my sentiments CC.

The RATs can't really tell us the truth, that they hate America, and it's America's fault for every problem in the world. They cannot afford to betray their ignorance, stupidity, and generic hatred for everything American, including Israel.

RATs are too emotionally scarred to have an intelligent conversation.

10 posted on 07/21/2006 5:22:22 PM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: cripplecreek
Because YOU know soylent green is people, and THEY only read the Boston Globe.


11 posted on 07/21/2006 5:22:27 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: jhw61
They know their positions are morally bankrupt
ergo their reticence to argue their untenable position.
12 posted on 07/21/2006 5:23:18 PM PDT by claptrap (optional tag-line under reconsideration)
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To: jhw61
I have 1 Question....WHY do you have liberal friends?
13 posted on 07/21/2006 5:23:32 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Freep Me At Your own Risk!)
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To: jhw61
Your best bet is probably not to push it. When the opportunity comes up chime in then. They probably know that you are a thinking person rather than an emotional basket case and that may scare them.
14 posted on 07/21/2006 5:23:58 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: jhw61
Between my friends/coworkers we also have a "no politics" rule also. Our debates were (are) loud and very very heated. The like minds get together and talk in our own little group but on occasion we find a common ground and talk. Here in Texas there are plenty of conservatives to go around. I feel for you in the peoples republic of Mass.
Freep is the best, but be warned don't make fun of Apple computers. Some folks are sensitive...
15 posted on 07/21/2006 5:26:07 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey
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To: jhw61
Because they have taken that most corrupting of fairy tales from their youth and brought it into adulthood.

That fairy tale is: Listen to your heart, not your brain.

It is a message pushed 24/7 in our culture. When someone in a movie, TV show or interview calls someone on their lack of intelligence, the ACCUSER is the bad person in that situation, for "insulting someone's intelligence."

Yet in these situations, the heroic character--usually a feeling, "compassinoate" woman--the one the TV show, interview or whatever has invested with moral authority, the audience is to applaud when someone calls someone out for "not caring" or "thinking only of money" or "Being selfish".

Our society is being overwhelmed by people who think logic is a sham, something machines deal with, while real, true, GOOD humans are motivated entirely by....their feeeeelings.

Or maybe your friends are just stupid.

16 posted on 07/21/2006 5:28:25 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.savethesoldiers.com/)
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To: Enchante

As Reagan said, to paraphrase, it isn't that Democrats are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't true.

Democrats are "intellectually challenged". They lack critical thinking skills, and knowledge of history. They take the propaganda they hear on TV and read in the newspapers as abolute fact.


17 posted on 07/21/2006 5:30:28 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: jhw61
There are three things you should not talk about in a office group setting if you wish to rise in a company. Those three things are Politics, Religion and Sex. (also do not talk about your paycheck)

Even on lunch or break diving deeply into any of those three subjects can cause ill will and division in a office team and you are a team. They are subjects that are very personal, very emotional and people do not act logically when they are arguing heatedly about them.

For political conversation I suggest you look outside of work. People who stir things up at the office tend not to be regarded well by management.

18 posted on 07/21/2006 5:30:49 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: jhw61

Hang in there,girl...multi-tasking is posible when it comes to politics and pop culture. Isreal needs to kick ass and so does Matt Kenseth...((;O)...


19 posted on 07/21/2006 5:31:31 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: jhw61

You know they did discuss politics with you, you just didn't notice it. The smartass remark about "your" governor, Mitt Romney, for example was straight out of the liberal asshat playbook. I would've told them, "You don't want to talk politics, then don't make stupid political statements like 'your governor', mmmmK?"


20 posted on 07/21/2006 5:31:34 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: jhw61

It doesn't help me to know this since I'm obsessed with politics, and media bias, etc., but the truth is very, very few people are interested in politics.

Often someone will toss off a comment that makes you think they are willing to discuss a subject, but usually that comment was as far as they want to go.

I quit having an interest in sports shortly after I quit playing them, yet sports probably has the widest interest level of any activity in America.

If I am bored by sports, it shouldn't surprise me that people are bored by the minutia of everyday politics.

Practice being a conversationalist, it will be easier to get women.


21 posted on 07/21/2006 5:32:12 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: jhw61
I felt the same way when the Beslan terrorist attack happened. Just another mindless day at the office for them, and I was sobbing in my cubicle over those poor little children.

Since my bosses are Deaniac-grade moonbats, I mostly just get a sneaky rise out of confounding their lib stereotypes over what a conservative is.

22 posted on 07/21/2006 5:32:50 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (*Support DIANA IREY for US Congress!* Send "Cut-n-Run" Murtha packing: HIT THE ROAD, JACK!)
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To: jhw61

Many folks would walk eight blocks out of their way just to avoid discussing politics or religion. That's fine. I hope they don't vote.

In some relationships, those things matter. In the office place, I tend to live and let live. In other circles, I wouldn't.


23 posted on 07/21/2006 5:34:48 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
There are three things you should not talk about in a office group setting if you wish to rise in a company. Those three things are Politics, Religion and Sex. (also do not talk about your paycheck)

Ding ding ding ding ...... we have a winner!

This old truism seems to have been lost. Same goes for the dinner table. It's just bad manners.

24 posted on 07/21/2006 5:37:43 PM PDT by AlexandriaDuke (Conservatives want freedom. Republicans want power.)
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Wow, thank you all for your responses. I guess I'm kinda lonely on the workfront. Thank you for your support. I will carry on but why should do I have to suppress what I feel? I do get my sarcastic comments in though. I call them my friends but I know as many of you do, that once you leave a job, it is not very often, that you really do stay in touch. Life goes on. I do like these women, they have been there for me in my struggle as a single parent and have some really good advice and I do think they are good women but boy, they just never want to go as deep as I do which makes me feel like I'm weird for the feelings that exist in my heart and soul. Thanks again. You Freepers are the best. Would any of you consider moving to Massachusetts? HahHah!


25 posted on 07/21/2006 5:38:27 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: jhw61

Liberal Friends?

Well, that explains it right there.

I do know how you feel. We get in occasional dust-ups here at my office. I am usually the one to cut it short.

Normally we start off mildly, then disagree, then move to anger. There is always a bit of sarcasm on my part.

I stop because I can see they are going to lose, and it will cause weeks of icey realtions. I just want to wound them, I don't want to kill them.

The only time I felt the total isolation that you do is after the 2004 election. They had prepared a victory party for Kerry, just the day before. I had told them a couple of days before that they were deluded, and I didn't want to be here for the funeral atmosphere once they realized the truth.

It was so hard not to gloat. I managed to keep quiet all day. They were all, literally, crying. No one spoke to me all day.

The following day they claimed that my confidence had to have come from the fact that I knew Bush would "steal another one". They weren't joking.

Ah, I was laughing so hard and even jumped up and down a few times, each and everytime I was out of earshot.

The world is good. There is no sweeter place to be, than in the belly of the liberal beast (California) when Republicans win.


26 posted on 07/21/2006 5:41:21 PM PDT by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: jhw61

I knwo the feeling. My favorite is when you talk about something substantive like the need to win the war, and they come back with the retort that such conversation is "inappropriate" and demand to discuss last night's episode of Survivor. What the hell is "appropriate"?


27 posted on 07/21/2006 5:42:19 PM PDT by The Cuban
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To: jhw61

If you are asking I'd say "don't discuss politics at the office". Especially since they have signaled they don't want to. If you persist you are opening your form, and maybe yourself, to a lawsuit.

Invite them out for a drink ... then discuss on your own time in your own arena.


28 posted on 07/21/2006 5:46:08 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (NUTS!)
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To: ansel12

I am a woman. They are my work friends. Not as deep as real "outside of work" friends or family but a whold bunch of them are liberals too!


29 posted on 07/21/2006 5:47:29 PM PDT by jhw61
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I'm originally from Mass. and a Republican in Virginia.

I have an old friend who I went to High School with in Mass who is definitely in the Michael Moore/MoveOn.org-wing of the Democratic Party and works in Hollywood.

We used to talk.

I have repeatedly tried to initiate conversations.

He has literally not talked to me since the election of 2000.

30 posted on 07/21/2006 5:48:15 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: Greenpees

I know. But what is a girl to do living in Massachusetts. Recently divorced and taking care of a young 7 year-old son. Believe me, I'd like nothing more than to move to Texas where my Liberal brother just moved to because of better income and an incredible mansion. Pray and thing of me. Thanks so much!


31 posted on 07/21/2006 5:50:11 PM PDT by jhw61
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Be grateful. If they DID talk politics, you would go insane. Literally. It becomes like an asylum and you can't get away.

Trust me; it's safer this way.

32 posted on 07/21/2006 5:50:17 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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I don't blame your Dem friends at all.
Would you want to be stuck with trying to defend their pathetic political positions?

I sure wouldn't.

33 posted on 07/21/2006 5:50:59 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: jhw61
Politics have Borders Restrictions Liberalism has no Restrictions no borders no absolute no real truth so in a liberal mind as long as your doing what you want and not hurting someone else emotionally or physically but on the other hand AS a liberal it's impossible for a liberal to hurt someone no matter how much they do or what they say because weather in kind or malice all deeds done are and have good intentions in a liberals mind ...

Read the Liberal Lexicon copy it and leave it laying around at the office you want to make your liberal friends talk politics this will do it !

34 posted on 07/21/2006 5:52:15 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ( have long feared that my sins would return to visit me and the cost would be more than I could bear)
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It's a very lonesome feeling, I sympathize.

Being a single parent you probably don't have time to find a like-minded conservative group --- church maybe? Or a political group? That would mean going out in the evening, though.

Hang in there, there are many of us in the same situation.


35 posted on 07/21/2006 5:52:29 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: jhw61

"There has to more to life than talking about curtains and paint doesn't there?"

Not at work...leave volatile subjects alone...


36 posted on 07/21/2006 5:52:58 PM PDT by dakine
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To: DoctorMichael

Wow, same here. My best friend really doesn't see me much. She invited me to her son's recent college graduation but I know I just cannot discuss politics. How sad it has become.


37 posted on 07/21/2006 5:53:13 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: AlexandriaDuke
Well it depends on who you are having dinner with. :)

But looking at it from a managers point of view those subjects can be very harmful to the group.

A while ago I had to have a quiet word with one of my employees who was loudly denouncing the war in Iraq. She was doing it in full earshot of no less then three other employees who have children in Iraq and two others who are veterans themselves.

I basically told her to shut up if she planed to continue to work with them. She shut up and things smoothed over but not one of those employees will go out of their way to make her job easier. They do what is required and no more.

And her poor judgment in running her mouth and causing that rift insures that she will never get any job that requires leadership.

38 posted on 07/21/2006 5:53:14 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: Greenpees
"Normally we start off mildly, then disagree, then move to anger. There is always a bit of sarcasm on my part."

Same happens with my group... I have to tell you what I did with one. He was pointing out (loudly) what a piece of $hit Bush was. At the end I simply put my index finger in the corner of my mouth and flicked it out (making the popping noise)then used it to make a small circle in the air (whoop-de-F'n-do). He was so stunned he couldn't say a word. The others watching busted a gut laughing..
39 posted on 07/21/2006 5:53:49 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey
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To: jhw61

There is only one thing worse than a Liberal Democrat who won't talk politics ... and that is a Liberal Democrat who will!


40 posted on 07/21/2006 5:53:49 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: jhw61
They're in denial. They can't deal with the truth.
41 posted on 07/21/2006 5:54:51 PM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go to farrrrrr")
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To: jhw61

I had a whack-job leftist friend from college with whom I would email back and forth about politics. He stopped responding after I proved to him that Michael Moore was a liar and Fahrenheit 911 was a big pack of lies.


42 posted on 07/21/2006 5:55:21 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Government IS the problem.)
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To: squarebarb

Thank you for your kind words. They mean so much to me.


43 posted on 07/21/2006 5:55:27 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: Diogenesis
Because YOU know soylent green is people...

:-) Good one!!!

44 posted on 07/21/2006 5:56:09 PM PDT by bannie (HILLARY: Not all perversions are sexual.)
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To: Diogenesis
Because YOU know soylent green is people, and THEY only read the Boston Globe.

That is too funny, Thanks
45 posted on 07/21/2006 5:56:24 PM PDT by be4everfree
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To: jhw61

You can do what you want, but my advice - fwiw - don't talk politics in the workplace. I was discharged from my last job because my politics differed from those of management. My new personal rule is - Don't talk politics in the workplace or to co-workers outside of the workplace. Never ever.


46 posted on 07/21/2006 5:56:30 PM PDT by Musket
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To: 12th_Monkey

Well "they" already think I do too much coffee in the morning. I guess coffee is too stimulating to the mind, hun. Thanks!


47 posted on 07/21/2006 5:57:29 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: jhw61
I know. But what is a girl to do living in Massachusetts. Recently divorced and taking care of a young 7 year-old son

Contact your local GOP party for your county. Go to a function or two. Then offer to host a "coffee" function at your house. Ideas like that will get you with like-minded people.

48 posted on 07/21/2006 5:58:15 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: jhw61

Oh yeah, and don't send emails of a political nature from work. They read them. And don't visit political websites at work. They log them.


49 posted on 07/21/2006 5:58:40 PM PDT by Musket
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To: Musket

Really? Wow! I got to tell ya, I think I'm the only exciting woman in my office. I'm full of personality and sometimes I think I'm over the top with it. My job as a property manager is dealing with people all day long. And I truly think I do a good darn job. I have tried to tame myself down a bit from week to week but why should I have to not talk about polictics when they can talk about all the exciting things going on in the A-list Hollyweirdos. That's riduculous. I always say to them, when I'm gone, you are gonna miss me for the entertainment value alone because that's how I feel I am to them. I can crack everyone of them up. I'm quick and witty and I keep them laughing.


50 posted on 07/21/2006 6:01:58 PM PDT by jhw61
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