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Hollywood Clicks on the Work of Web Auteurs [Are candidates paying attention this?]
The NY Times ^ | July 23, 2006 | John Clark

Posted on 07/23/2006 3:04:40 PM PDT by summer



Scenes from “MySpace: The Movie,” created by David Lehre. The 11-minute parody of... MySpace and its users has had millions of hits since it first appeared on the site YouTube on Jan. 31.

EVEN as David Lehre’s “MySpace: The Movie,” ... spawned a high-profile feeding frenzy, some of the Hollywood agents, managers and lawyers who were clamoring to represent him didn’t know much about who he was...

“It’s their fear of not being a part of it,” said Scott Vener, Mr. Lehre’s manager...

,,,“Their nightmare is a direct feed from moviemaker to audience,” said Walter Kirn ...

Geoffrey Gilmore, director of the Sundance Film Festival, said: “We are probably at a period of greater change than we have had in the past 50 years. The industry is scared about what they should make and how they should deliver it. What’s the next step? Where’s the development coming from?”

“MySpace: The Movie” first appeared on YouTube on Jan. 31 and since then has had millions of hits, enough viewers to rival big-budget films or TV shows. Mr. Lehre, who is 21 and lived at his parents’ home ...

... Mr. Gilmore also wondered what sort of “filtering mechanisms” would evolve on the Internet, if any. Of course what makes the Web attractive is that there are no gatekeepers — managers, agents, studio executives, or film-festival programmers — to get past. ...

Mr. Kirn predicted that “all of the zoo animals are going to get out.” He continued, “The question is whether they will be paid,” ...

“The Net is going to unleash a hybrid talent and a hybrid sensibility,” he said. “What it needs is an Orson Welles, an unclassifiable polymath. It will reward someone with that kind of talent.

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KEYWORDS: attention; audience; hollywood; trend; video; vlogs; voters; web
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I'm just wondering if any candidates out there are paying attention to the audience numbers being raked in by popular vlogs (videos online) -- because if Hollywood executives are waking up to these numbers, then I expect candidates may soon do the same.
1 posted on 07/23/2006 3:04:43 PM PDT by summer
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To: All

I meant to say in my title: [Are candidates paying attention to this?]


2 posted on 07/23/2006 3:05:28 PM PDT by summer
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To: Liz; Hildy

I'm thinking Election 2008 and the winner of the White House prize may well be the one who's parody of the other candidate gets the most hits on the internet.


3 posted on 07/23/2006 3:06:14 PM PDT by summer
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To: Liz; Hildy

I'm thinking Election 2008 and the winner of the White House prize may well be the one whose parody of the other candidate gets the most hits on the internet.


4 posted on 07/23/2006 3:06:25 PM PDT by summer
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To: Milhous; abb; vikingchick; martin_fierro; dead; nunya bidness

FYI.


5 posted on 07/23/2006 3:08:30 PM PDT by summer
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To: lowbridge; PJ-Comix; Dog Gone

FYI.


6 posted on 07/23/2006 3:10:19 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
I have a page on myspace, but I can honestly say, this is kind of like a fad.

Its a great communication tool, user friendly and everything, but the idea of it holding long term sway is far and away overated.

Politicans are slow to adapt, and myspace might not even be worth the time or effort to get involved with.

7 posted on 07/23/2006 3:10:40 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
No, not getting involved with myspace; that's not what I meant (though some politicians are doing that already).

This article is about a guy who made a home-movie making fun of myspace and its audience. And, this little home movie made for nothing has gotten million of hits.

Well, when you're getting millions of hits online -- that could be millions of voters. So, I am just wondering: Is anyone out there paying attention? Like, any candidate seeking millions of votes? is there anyone like that??? :)
8 posted on 07/23/2006 3:13:34 PM PDT by summer
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To: Sonny M; PJ-Comix
And, my own belief is this: You don't need to post it on youtube. You could post a cool movie here on FR on your homepage.
How many times does Pj Comix make fun of his favorite Dem site? I am just wondering when he's going to make a movie about that, and post it here on FR...and I am guessing someday FR will need to have a separate section just for FR movies/vlogs. Because politics is a always a subject ripe for parody.
9 posted on 07/23/2006 3:16:03 PM PDT by summer
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To: Sonny M; PJ-Comix
And, my own belief is this: You don't need to post it on youtube. You could post a cool movie here on FR on your homepage.

How many times does Pj Comix make fun of his favorite Dem site? I am just wondering when he's going to make a movie about that, and post it here on FR...and I am guessing someday FR will need to have a separate section just for FR movies/vlogs. Because politics is a always a subject ripe for parody.
10 posted on 07/23/2006 3:16:14 PM PDT by summer
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To: TheBigB

MySpace PING


11 posted on 07/23/2006 3:16:30 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Sonny M

BTW, sorry about the double-posts on this thread. My posting button is out of control here! LOL...


12 posted on 07/23/2006 3:16:48 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer; doug from upland
You make a VERY interesting point. That's why I pinged Doug to this thread, since he is leading the video charge against Hillary! Clinton.

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13 posted on 07/23/2006 3:17:26 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please see new message, here: www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: martin_fierro

And, martin, certainly, you are a future politico movie-maker for FR! My goodness! How many funny graphic parodies have you made already? I lose track...


14 posted on 07/23/2006 3:17:58 PM PDT by summer
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To: Congressman Billybob

DING, DING, DING! We have a winner! The lighbulb has gone off! And, not surprisingly, it's FR's own Congressman Billybob who wins today's prize... congrats to you! :)


15 posted on 07/23/2006 3:19:23 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

LOL! If Only. < |:)~


16 posted on 07/23/2006 3:21:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Oh, you make me laugh, martin. Of course you could do this!


17 posted on 07/23/2006 3:36:29 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

I have a myspace listing, but I forgot the password. I'm such an idiot. ;-)


18 posted on 07/23/2006 3:37:15 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: martin_fierro

BTW, think of all the publicity Stephen Colbert has gotten from his lame interviews with politicians. Why any politician would agree to sit down with him, when it's obvious the politician will only look like a shmuck when it's over, I don't know. A smart politico would be making his own movies -- instead of being tossed around like a sinking ship on The Colbert Report.


19 posted on 07/23/2006 3:38:25 PM PDT by summer
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To: Dog Gone

ROTFLMAO...and, why exactly do you need a myspace listing, Dog? Not getting enough pings here? JUST KIDDING! :)


20 posted on 07/23/2006 3:39:05 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

In the past, vaudeville, the Broadway stage, nightclub acts, radio, TV, standup comics, foreign, art and independent films, shows like SNL and In Living Color, rock'n'roll and graphic novels/comic books have all been the "farm teams" from which Hollywood drew and co-opted new talent. Now it's the Internet. The usual gatekeepers will make the selection and the winners will get fame and fortune, while the also-rans will continue to post their videos on the web. It's already happening just this way.


21 posted on 07/23/2006 3:39:22 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Dog Gone
I'm such an idiot. ;-)

Hey, maybe you're in this movie! :)
22 posted on 07/23/2006 3:40:00 PM PDT by summer
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To: Argus
The usual gatekeepers will make the selection and the winners will get fame and fortune, while the also-rans will continue to post their videos on the web. It's already happening just this way.

Yes and no on that. Because yes, there's always winners and losers. But, no to the idea that everything is the same as it was before. It's really not the same as it was before. Prior to the internet, there was really no way to reach an audience to rival the size of a network television audience. And, you really did have to know someone who could get you to see someone who maybe knew someone to get you into someone. But, now, with the internet -- the gatekeepers are really gone. They're the "gate runners" now, because the best they can do is run after the talent that's already getting numbers. The online talent no longer has to find them. The gate-runners will run to who's online.
23 posted on 07/23/2006 3:42:40 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

I guess I don't need a my space listing, although I'd like to know if the three chicks who have already emailed me are really chicks.

:-)


24 posted on 07/23/2006 3:42:45 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Argus
I think this reply has better spacing:

The usual gatekeepers will make the selection and the winners will get fame and fortune, while the also-rans will continue to post their videos on the web. It's already happening just this way.

Yes and no on that. Because yes, there's always winners and losers. But, no to the idea that everything is the same as it was before. It's really not the same as it was before. Prior to the internet, there was really no way to reach an audience to rival the size of a network television audience. And, you really did have to know someone who could get you to see someone who maybe knew someone to get you into someone.

But, now, with the internet -- the gatekeepers are really gone. They're the "gate runners" now, because the best they can do is run after the talent that's already getting numbers. The online talent no longer has to find them. The gate-runners will run to who's online.
25 posted on 07/23/2006 3:43:26 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

I will respectfully disagree with you, you MUST post on youtube. What else has the horsepower to handle its volume? Man, it has more capacity than Google or akamai. You can post on FR, but anything popular quickly becomes unavailable. Nobody, but nobody, serves up gigs like youtube.

They're not running ads, just burning venture capital. No idea how long this can last, but it's a treasure trove of culture. Where else can you see Dolly Parton on Captain Kangaroo playing a song she never released? Or an old Flintstones Winston ad? Or the Jetsons?

The video clips of Bush, Kerry, Gore are just a hoot. Even LBJ's Daisy Ad that won him the election is there.

You can see, at a time of your choosing, everything from Karen Carpenter to Ann Coulter to the Three Stooges. I suppose the RIAA will ruin this like everything else they've touched, so enjoy it while it's here.


26 posted on 07/23/2006 3:43:57 PM PDT by spudsmaki
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To: Dog Gone

ROTFLMAO! You sound like you have too much free time on your hands these days, Dog... :)


27 posted on 07/23/2006 3:44:02 PM PDT by summer
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To: spudsmaki

Yes, for now it's all in one place -- just like everything was once all in Life magazine, or all on network prime time news, etc. But, it will eventually filter out, into niche channels online. And, FR is the place for you know what... :)


28 posted on 07/23/2006 3:45:13 PM PDT by summer
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To: spudsmaki

PS But, I very much enjoyed reading your reply. Even though I respectfully disagree with you as to youtube's value in the longggg haul. In the long run, there will be others...


29 posted on 07/23/2006 3:46:11 PM PDT by summer
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To: spudsmaki
But, here's a question, spudsmaki: Which party will be first to pick up on all this? The Dems have taken forever and a day to realize they need to start creating farm teams to run for elections. And despite Daily Kos' founder's claims to the contrary, FR was up and running FOR YEARS before Daily Kos ever found its way to the internet. And we all know who attracts more radio talk show fans.

So, that is what I am waiting to see: who's smarter? Which party will set up its own YOUTUBE first to reach millions of new voters?

I am betting it won't be the Dems. They may run Hollywood, but seem to lag behind when it comes to seizing the opportunities presented by new media. However, maybe this time I am wrong...time will tell.
30 posted on 07/23/2006 3:50:25 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

What makes youtube a revolution is its technology. Every stinking TV station has a web site with video cuts but they rarely can serve them, and usually do it with a dopey crashable video player. Windows Media 10 anybody?

Youtube runs on any reasonably modern browser that can handle Flash video flv and if you're clever you can save them. Youtube delivers hundreds of millions of videos a day. They're going to be a case study in internet distribution, if only as a postmortem. You really have to appreciate what an advance this is.

As far as making money, they've yet to take in a penny. No billing model, no idea what their investors are thinking.


31 posted on 07/23/2006 3:54:38 PM PDT by spudsmaki
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To: spudsmaki

I can go with you on that line of thinking -- that's it's a huge advance in terms of technology. And, frankly, that's something I've come to look for in a candidate: who's into technology? That's an important question to me as a voter.


32 posted on 07/23/2006 3:56:50 PM PDT by summer
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To: spudsmaki

As for the billing and making money part -- I'm guessing someday they will charge a fee to post a video on youtube. Or charge a fee for something else. And, that's probably coming soon, I would imagine.


33 posted on 07/23/2006 3:57:48 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

Whioch one has higher ratings overall? I have looked at Daily Kos twice and both times found the site irritating to the eye (Let alone politically) and unpleasant. FR's strength is the ease of use, customisable presentation and lack of clutter.


34 posted on 07/23/2006 3:59:23 PM PDT by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: summer
Which party will be first to pick up on all this?

Gosh, how could anyone call that? If you've seen Algore's stiff of a movie you know why word of mouth killed it. And George is such a horror on TV, gawd he has a worse presence than Nixon. And everyone should see the Kennedy Nixon debate.

A JFK will humiliate an opponent on the web and then we'll have our answer. It's hard to believe either party will win this November, political stands are so jumbled up. Just look at energy policy.

35 posted on 07/23/2006 4:02:53 PM PDT by spudsmaki
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To: spudsmaki
A JFK will humiliate an opponent on the web and then we'll have our answer

i hear you on that one..
36 posted on 07/23/2006 4:04:39 PM PDT by summer
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To: spudsmaki

And, I agree with other points you made, too.


37 posted on 07/23/2006 4:04:58 PM PDT by summer
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To: Androcles
found the site irritating to the eye

I know exactly what you mean. I, too, find FR a much more user-friendly site, and I did not like Daily Kos in terms of design. Also, that found of DailyKos may not have ever mentioned FR outright, but as I recall, his new book does claim to be an early presence on the web, and that is simply not true when you look at FR's history. Perhaps in terms of Dem sites, but, not in terms of political sites in general. Daily Kos was rather late to the game, as were all the Dem sites still around today. FR had them beat by years and years.

38 posted on 07/23/2006 4:07:13 PM PDT by summer
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To: Androcles
found the site irritating to the eye

I know exactly what you mean. I, too, find FR a much more user-friendly site, and I did not like Daily Kos in terms of design. Also, that found of DailyKos may not have ever mentioned FR outright, but as I recall, his new book does claim to be an early presence on the web, and that is simply not true when you look at FR's history. Perhaps in terms of Dem sites, but, not in terms of political sites in general. Daily Kos was rather late to the game, as were all the Dem sites still around today. FR had them beat by years and years.
39 posted on 07/23/2006 4:07:29 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer

Or a Ronald Reagan, someone with command presence on this new medium. We don't yet really know what it takes.

As far as site design, I adore the simplicity of FR. Using Firefox, I just apple + until the text is large enough for me to read, which is 12 or more points.

The Kos, aside from content, is impossible for me to read. I can't see 6 point text, and increasing it causes the site to disintegrate. Like MS Windows, it's designed for 20 something eyes.


40 posted on 07/23/2006 4:13:49 PM PDT by spudsmaki
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To: spudsmaki
someone with command presence on this new medium

Yes, exactly right. And, as to what else you said -- that's kind of a funny thought: that a party can't get its message out because its online font is too small for most people to read. LOL... :)
41 posted on 07/23/2006 4:17:48 PM PDT by summer
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To: summer
“Their nightmare is a direct feed from moviemaker to audience,”

Welcome to your nightmare:

Life after Television

. . .

The central message of Life After Television for the film industry is that the new technologies are targeted directly at Hollywood. Today some 70 percent of the costs of a film go to distribution and advertising. In every industry -- from retailing to insurance -- the key impact of the computer-networking revolution is to collapse the costs of distribution and remove the middlemen. In an information industry such as the movie business, distribution costs will predictably plummet. p 203

Anyone with access to the information highway will be able to distribute a film at a tiny fraction of current costs. Moreover, webs of glass and light will free the producer from the burden of creating a product that can attract miscellaneous audiences to theaters. Instead producers will be able to reach equally large but more specialized audiences dispersed around the globe. Rather than making lowest-common-denominator appeals to the masses, film-makers will be able to appeal to the special interests, ambitions, and curiosities of individuals anywhere, anytime. p 204

Just as digital desktop publishing equipment unleashed thousands of new text publishing companies, so the new digital desktop video publishing will unleash thousands of new filmmakers. The video business will increasingly resemble not the current film business, in which output is a hundred or so movies a year, but the book business, in which some 55,000 new hardcover titles are published annually in the U.S. alone. After all, scores of thousands of screenplays are already written every year. In the next decade, thousands of screenwriters will be able to make and distribute their own films. p 204

Of course what makes the Web attractive is that there are no gatekeepers — managers, agents, studio executives, or film-festival programmers — to get past. ...

All your gates are belong to us.

Gn 22:17 your descendants shall take possession of the gates of their enemies

Newspaper sale$ decline should be blamed on the Journos

. . .

People who work at journalism full time ought to be able to do a better job of it than people for whom it is a hobby. But that's not going to happen as long as we "professional" journalists ignore stories we don't like and try to hide our mistakes. We think of ourselves as "gatekeepers." But there is not much future in being a gatekeeper when the walls are down.


Study: Web is the No. 1 media - 06/06/2006
42 posted on 07/23/2006 4:26:45 PM PDT by Milhous (Twixt truth and madness lies but a sliver of a stream.)
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To: Milhous

“Their nightmare is a direct feed from moviemaker to audience,”

Just think what the next John Belushi Dan Ackroyd is gonna do, they'll turn moviemaking on its head. I just looked at the Myspace Movie, they're so many, it's hilarious. I saw one of two guys making a photo for Mother's Day, it was a good as the Stooges.

Network TV and the movies will get better or die, quickly.


43 posted on 07/23/2006 4:38:51 PM PDT by spudsmaki
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To: summer

bttt


44 posted on 07/23/2006 4:39:38 PM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: summer
One of the greatest examples of independant video in terms of learning technique that I have seen in many many years, is called, "Tales of the Swine Family". Its over on YouTube.

I have the mpeg. I have studied it for hours on end because it very very clearly illustrates what someone with an ordinary inexpensive digital camera, a mp3 recorder and Linux can do. I found the subject matter is admittedly quite funny. The quality and meter of the voice of narration is between very good to excellent. None-the-less, its the way the effects which are all available FREELY in Linux (Kino) and the meshing with the audio that transfixes me. As mention, in this one narrative film, I found it to be a learning goldmine. Thanks to the author.

Hollywierd is simply unnecessary and they know it.
http://www.youtube.com/
And to a search for, "Tales of the Swine Family"

Warning: Four letter words are used in two or three places and may offend some and are not suitable for younger listeners.
45 posted on 07/23/2006 4:45:35 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: summer

Drudge seems to be getting is share of hits. 12,952,000 in the past 24 hours. Anyone care to venture a guess how much revenue is generated for him by each hit?


46 posted on 07/23/2006 4:51:29 PM PDT by nygoose
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To: nygoose

I'm thinking he does pretty well for himself.


47 posted on 07/23/2006 6:35:25 PM PDT by summer
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To: pyx

Thanks for that info; I will take a look.


48 posted on 07/23/2006 6:35:50 PM PDT by summer
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To: Milhous

Re your post #42 - Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to share that.


49 posted on 07/23/2006 6:36:30 PM PDT by summer
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To: Milhous
And, I see a lot of analogies here with what has already happened to the newspaper business, and what will be happening soon to Hollywood, once the middle man is out of the feeding chain and the product goes directly to the audience. A lot of MBA's in LA will be unemployed and looking for work.

Too bad the elimination of all gatekeepers can't also happen in education. That would be great: teachers would get to fire current disasterous principals, and classrooms i public schools would be available to teachers to "rent" provided the teacher can attract students, much like a rental hair salon booth. Then, finally, better teachers can enter the profession, and achievement and schools can soar.

Oh well. We can dream...
50 posted on 07/23/2006 6:39:42 PM PDT by summer
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