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Some Californians set to begin 11-digit dialing
The San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | July 23, 2006 | Dan Laidman

Posted on 07/23/2006 4:15:21 PM PDT by South40

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To: Not A Democrat

10 digits in Mass.: 617-XXX-XXXX, 978-YYY-YYYY, etc.

It'd odd when I visit a state with only one area code and on the radio, on TV, or in the papers when they give a number out (like in an ad or something) it's _only_ 7 digits!


51 posted on 07/23/2006 6:39:53 PM PDT by raccoonradio
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To: Not A Democrat

We still have to dial 1 before the area code, except on a cell phone.

I'm currently in 760, 858 is a few miles south, as is 619 and we have to dial 1 before the number.

At my home in Glendale, 818, I have to dial 1 to dial my office 6 miles away in Loa Angeles.


52 posted on 07/23/2006 6:43:32 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Xenalyte

You have to dial "1" first before dialing an area code. That's the 11th digit.


53 posted on 07/23/2006 6:58:21 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Yes, I used this same joke on Flag Day. So sue me. It's America.)
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To: dalereed
Fortunately the people doing the operations research had a broad sample of people to discern what the average limit should be for the average human. It doesn't make sense to target a product that is only usable by the top 1% of the population if you expect to achieve broad acceptance.

I routinely dial huge strings of digits to reach people. The company card access number is 11 digits to the prompt, 14 digits for my "pin", then 11 digits to call a number in the United States. It's particularly irritating when I call my colleague at his office in Mclean, VA and discover he's not there. I get to do the whole 36 digit dance again for his cell phone.

I would love to automate this nonsense, but the carrier has an indeterminate period between dialing the access number and the time it will start accepting digits. If you don't wait out the double beep and voice announcement, you may have to dial the whole 11 digit access sequence again. Very annoying.

54 posted on 07/23/2006 7:18:32 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: SaveTheChief

No kidding - how strange that they are just now doing this! Of course, we don't have to dial 1 unless it's long-distance; ours is just 10 digits. Honestly, I thought everybody had it now.


55 posted on 07/23/2006 7:24:10 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: South40

No .. actually it started with the new internet phones. I already have to dial 10 numbers even if I call a local number.


56 posted on 07/23/2006 7:28:34 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: South40

We live in a town so small that when someone asks for a phone number, you just give them the last four digits.


57 posted on 07/23/2006 7:34:53 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: encm(ss)

Long distance? It's just a money making scheme. With everything so computerized these days, it doesn't really cost them extra.


58 posted on 07/23/2006 7:36:46 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Mark
"It all started with the damn ZIP Codes. Now the end is near!!"

We're also running out of IP addresses lol. That's being fixed though.

59 posted on 07/23/2006 7:39:11 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: tophat9000
Cell providers fight that tooth & nail.

but if you have a cell in the same area you would has a 3 digit cell network "area code" prefix that would only be for cell phones

60 posted on 07/23/2006 7:44:10 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy (Ever had Vuja de? That feeling that you've never ever been here before? :)
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To: NCjim
"Same growing up in Western NC - we had one long ring - two short rings was the other side of the party line. Back when dirt was new... *g"

Hehe That reminds me of being at my grandmother's house as a child. She had a party line at the time. I remember picking up the phone to use it and hearing people on there, and couldn't figure out where the people were, and why they were on her phone.

61 posted on 07/23/2006 7:44:19 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: dalereed
How can you remember those old numbers? I sometimes forget my present one!
62 posted on 07/23/2006 7:48:59 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: mariabush

Memory is a learned trait, you aren't borne with it.

I was trained by my father. When I was about 3 he used to take me with him on construction jobs and when we got home he would quiz me about what different men in different trades were doing.

I I couldn't answer he would say pay attention what is going on around you, you might need it someday.

By the time I went to school I never wanted to hear anything more than once.

By the second grade the teachers figured that out and would find something else to do in the school after they had gone over something once.

The rest of grammer school I don't think I ever spent more than 2 hours a day in class, they couldn't stand me harassibg them.


63 posted on 07/23/2006 7:54:54 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: South40
I long for the days of 8 party lines
with 4 numbers to dial.
Our "ring" was 2 shorts and a long.
64 posted on 07/23/2006 8:00:15 PM PDT by WKB (D.L. Moody "The Bible was not written for your information, but for your transformation")
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To: martin_fierro

We wouldn't have this problem if the phone companies would allow hexadecimal dialing.


65 posted on 07/23/2006 8:00:17 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (This tagline is false.)
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To: Larry Lucido; MotleyGirl70; Cagey

KRAMER: Oh! Jeez! Well, you've got a maid. It's a whole different world downtown-- ... she's a 646.

ELAINE: What? What is that?

JERRY: That's the new area code. They've run out of 242s, so all the new numbers are 646.

ELAINE: I was a 718 when I first moved here. I cried every night.


66 posted on 07/23/2006 8:08:02 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: South40
Most folks have been using 11 digits for years. It's mandatory in the cellular industry.

Many under the age of 25 don't have a POTS subscription in their homes unless it's to receive a DSL signal.

Business clings to POTS at their gateway but use wireless on the inside. Within a decade VOIP will replace POTS and 11 digits, or more will be common.

Think about it. IPv4 has up 15 keystrokes to input on the keyboard and URLs can be up to 26 characters plus the domain identifiers.

11 keystrokes are cheap!

67 posted on 07/23/2006 8:11:38 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: Ready4Freddy
Cell providers fight that tooth & nail.

Yes I know... an it is why we now have this constant area code reshuffling mess in the North American numbering plan... it's a case of a very questionable business logic trumping a more logical engineering plan ... it has made a mess ...HDTV is some what hose up for the same business politic reason (at least that my opinion)

68 posted on 07/23/2006 8:22:46 PM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back their race over country)
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To: mariabush
Well, I remember when our phone number in Downey, Calif. was Metcalf 555.

Ours in Hawaiian Gardens was HA55772.

Hawaiian Gardens has changed since then.

69 posted on 07/23/2006 8:28:31 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: South40

Whittier was OXford. Don't ya just long for the simple times???

I am sure that the whole area has changed. We have lived in Tenn. for 35 years.


70 posted on 07/23/2006 8:38:10 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Xenalyte

The fact is, the “1” accommodates faster call handling than just using 7 and 10 digit numbers. On manually dialed calls, the “1” tells the equipment to expect 10 more digits before routing the call. If no “1” is dialed, the equipment expects 7 digits and routes the call as soon as the 7th digit is dialed. Without the “1”, equipment accepting manually dialed calls, would have to wait after the 7th digit to see if 3 more digits were coming (inter-digit time) before routing the call. Cell phones don’t have this problem even on manually dialed calls since the called numbers are sent out in on fast data stream when the SEND button is pressed so the 7 or 10 digit number issue is resolved instantly.
For you younger folks, substitute “press” for “dial” when you read this.
For those of you that find old named prefixes nostalgic, I’ve had the following in my lifetime:
NOrmandy Hollywood
CLinton Eagle rock
THornwall Burbank
CItrus Glendale
JEfferson Santa Ana
WIndsor Palmdale

Somehow even Zenith seemed more personal than 9-1-1.


71 posted on 07/23/2006 9:24:34 PM PDT by RLM
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To: mariabush
The simple times were nice. Except for those days when we had to duck and cover under our desks at school as part of our atomic bomb drill.

Tennessee is awesome; my wife and I honeymooned in Nashville. We vacationed in the Smokey Mountains a few years back. We've even considered retiring there, though I'll admit, I'm leaning toward Idaho.

72 posted on 07/23/2006 9:29:36 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Alberta's Child
Conversely, most area codes with a 0 in the middle and high numbers for the first and third digits were very rural (or had very limited phone service) at the time these area codes were put in place. The most cumbersome area code to dial was the one for the "Inland Empire" of California (909)

The Inland Empire's 909 area code is the result of a split that took place about 12 years ago. The IE, parts of East LA County, and Orange County were ALL originally 714.

73 posted on 07/24/2006 7:02:26 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: Cobra64

This is ridiculous. 310 is for the West Side. The cell providers that issue numbers to people that dont live/work near the area should be punished. Why can't inglehood dial the full number instead of the residents that contribute more to the state tax than any other code....

The time spent changing contact numbers for all 310 members contributing to state gdp is lost revenue for the state that could be otherwise be spent issuing more food stamps....


74 posted on 08/08/2006 3:19:56 AM PDT by 310westla
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To: Cobra64

This is ridiculous. 310 is for the West Side. The cell providers that issue numbers to people that dont live/work near the area should be punished. Why can't inglehood dial the full number instead of the residents that contribute more to the state tax than any other code....

The time spent changing contact numbers for all 310 members contributing to state gdp is lost revenue for the state that could be otherwise be spent issuing more food stamps....


75 posted on 08/08/2006 3:22:15 AM PDT by 310westla
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To: South40

This happened in Atlanta about ten years ago...


76 posted on 08/08/2006 3:26:00 AM PDT by RobFromGa (The FairTax cult is like Scientology, but without the movie stars)
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To: Cobra64

LOL also what about 911?

1 911 911 911?


77 posted on 08/08/2006 3:26:23 AM PDT by freedomlover (This tagline has been pulled - - - - OK?)
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To: freedumb2003

I remember reading somewhere that part of the reason if not the reason for the "running out of numbers" problem dealt with the way blocks of phone numbers are allocated, specifically in blocks of 25,000 regardless of the number of phones in a given area. In other words, a lot of this didn't have to happen, it was a buearacratic thing.


78 posted on 08/08/2006 3:38:18 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: South40

I am in the 760 area of CA.. which covers a large area. However, the population of the 760 area isn’t nearly as congested as the population of the entire Los Angeles area. L.A. is still on 10 digit dialing, My brother is in Orange, 10 digits. 760 has 11 digit dialing. They didn’t even give us the practice here of having 10 digit dialing first... just jumped right in there with 11. Its a conspiracy I tell ya!! Trying to keep the octagenarians off the phone, because they can’t remember to dial locally like they are dialing long distance.

and even tho i didn’t read all the posts all the way thru... I remember our first phone number being 5 digits, and you only had to dial the last 4 as all the numbers in town began with 8. Then came 7 digits... ours was FRontier x-xxxx... Frontier became just plain 37X=XXXX, then we got a new prefix in town.. and everyone north of a section got the new prefix.

And when area codes came in... Most of So Cal was 714... then it split and this area became 619, and it split again.. to 760. and my mother has had the same phone number for nearly 40 years.

There is probably more people in the DFW metroplex then there are in the entire 760 area.

11 digit dialing makes absolutely no sense.


79 posted on 11/17/2009 6:45:59 PM PST by TXHomesick
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To: South40

Wow, I work in Brentwood, one block from Santa Monica. Not a word about the new dialing.


80 posted on 11/17/2009 6:48:08 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: South40

Anyone remember, “Number please.”?


81 posted on 11/17/2009 6:50:32 PM PST by John W (There Is No Normal Anymore)
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To: South40

No problemo


82 posted on 11/17/2009 6:51:55 PM PST by vamoose
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To: South40

Your own fault, people! Too many damn phones! Useda be one phone per family, wasn’t that enough? NOOOOOOOO, you hadda have your own phallic tickler in your pants pocket, each with its own unique in the world number. You’re complaining now? In 10-15 years there’ll be so many phones we’ll run out of numbers altogether, and will have to share them like in the old times. It all comes around in circles.


83 posted on 11/17/2009 6:59:32 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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