Terrestrial Evidence of a Nuclear Catastrophe in Paleoindian Times

Mammoth Trumpet ^ | March 2001 | Firestone/Topping

[gleeaikin]

Yes, the Toba eruption 74kya, left a crater 18 by 50 or 60 miles (I couldn't find my reference just now but that is what I remember). One heck of an impact. Some scientists say it reduced the earth's human population of 5 or 10,000 individuals, and I think that includes Neanderthals, and obviously those new Flores folk.

While reading this post I came across the following; "A candidate for the reverse shock wave is the supernova remnant North Polar Spur, with an estimated age of 75,000 years and a distance of...424 light years,...locatd in the north sky from where it would have preferentially irradiated the Northern Hemisphere." At the time I thought now isn't that an interesting coincidence.

Is it possible that major cosmic energy bombardments, influence major volcanic and techtonic events here on earth? Jaggar in "Volcanoes Declare War," 1945, shows an interesting chart of Kilauea volcano in Hawaii in which he observes an apparent correlation between the maximum altitude of the lava pool with sunspot minima, p. 149.

It would be interesting if scientists would look at that, if they haven't already. Regarding a stepwise lowering of world temperatures from about 28,000 BP to 18,000 BP, one step occurred at 22,000 ya, and I find the Sakara-jima volcano in Japan blew out a caldera 15 miles in diameter. I am still looking for other smoking guns. This may have been the final blow to Neanderthals.

[gleeaikin]

Is there any possibility that Carolina Bays could have been formed by a tsunami depositing huge icebergs, which then melted leaving these gouges, or if covered by inwashed dirt, leaving a depression?

[Fred Nerks]

http://astrobiology.ucla.edu/pages/res2e.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1372790/posts

http://www.utah.edu/unews/releases/04/jun/marsmarbles.html

[ForGod'sSake]

Is there any possibility that Carolina Bays could have been formed by a tsunami depositing huge icebergs, which then melted leaving these gouges, or if covered by inwashed dirt, leaving a depression?

Just a guess, but I would say it's unlikely because any icebergs would have had to been hugging the shoreline. Otherwise, they would just ridden it out, IMO.

[gleeaikin]

What is the resistance? I think it is the same kind of resistance that kept doctors from using antispeptic practices for 70 years after Semelweiss (sp?) introduced them into a maternity hospital and proved they saved lives from dying of infection. I think you had the same kind of resistance to African paleontolgy regarding Dart's a Leakey's discoveries.

I guess if you have spent a lot of time and money becoming an expert in one line of thought, it is really irritating to be asked to change it especially by one who has not gone through the ordeal of "basic training".

[bruinbirdman]

" Oklo, Gabon. Uranium oxide remains are visible as the yellowish rock. Oklo by-products are being used today "

Yellow cake in Gabon? Palme sent Wilson to the wrong country.

[ForGod'sSake]

Hold yer fire Fred! I'll be til daylight catching up.......JK. Please add any other links on the subject to the thread. In time I hope to get up to speed re the electric universe. It almost seems like being in on the ground floor of something even though the ideas/theories have been around for decades. Thanks for taking the time and effort to contribute from your KB.

[happygrl]

I believe there were glacial dams up near Manitoba, north of the Great Lakes.

[ForGod'sSake]

I guess if you have spent a lot of time and money becoming an expert in one line of thought, it is really irritating to be asked to change it especially by one who has not gone through the ordeal of "basic training".

And through it all they hold themselves up as practitioners of the scientific method™. Hypocrites!

[happygrl]

Check out some of the expanding earth websites. The newest controversy since tectonic plates.

The Grand Canyon may be evidence of a Large Crack in the earth.

[Fred Nerks]

You'll love this if you haven't seen it before...

http://www.nealadams.com/EarthProject/toon1.html

[lentulusgracchus]

My faculty advisor and department head in the 1960's had done a thesis or dissertation on these features back in the 1940's or 1950's and concluded that they represented impact cratering from a bolide that broke up in the atmosphere.

His paper had some aerial photos from the 1930's or earlier that were not nearly as overprinted with cultural development.

I believe he used torsion-balance and magnetometer data from his transits to support his conclusions. Man's name was McCampbell -- he's dead these 25 years now -- don't know if his paper was published.

[Fred Nerks]

Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumoured by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.
- Gautama Buddha

[Fred Nerks]

is this anything like you are looking for?

[Vermont Lt]

No to be stupid, but why not just use the word "ago". As in, 15,000 years ago there was a nuclear explosion over Detroit.

[timer]

I have another "toba" right in my back yard so to speak : the Yellowstone super volcano, kitty corner across Montana. A 5+ richter earthquake hit it just a couple of years ago, kept quiet for obvious reasons, but something is definitely going on with it as the ground is rising FAST, as well as increased geothermal activity. There is a HUGE magma chamber below it and it's on the MOVE. Yellowstone super-blows about every 600,000 years and it's been 640,000 years since the last one(30+/- minor eruptions in between). If it's a MAJOR one it's nuclear winter(where oh where is global warming when you really need it).......Neanderthals have been intensely studied, they even think they can get their DNA somehow(jurassic park?)but all they have to do is get democrat's DNA for a perfect match. Actually the basques may be neanderthals(they supposedly died out on gibralter rock 19,000 years ago)as they are definitely a distinctly different people with a language unrelated to any other language......Interesting story about the runts on new Flores, evolutionary downsizing of the whole ecology on that island. Possible lessons for our time? Have you got your survival supplies ready for when IT happens? Whatever IT is....

[Fred Nerks]

Don't be too hard on them...one has to take into account the history and background upon which the natural sciences were founded.

This is the bedrock. The names are familiar. Murcheson, Buckland, Agassiz, Sedgewick, Lyall...what was it Velikovsky said; they speak from the era of the horse and buggy and oil lamps?


http://www.grisda.org/origins/09028.htm

[lentulusgracchus]

Yes, that's very similar to what I remember.

That some old aerial photog from the 20's/30's? Been interested in finding old aerial coverage from "back in the day" for comparison, but it all seems to be locked up in paid-subscription sites, last time I checked. Used to be some Soviet Cosmos imagery available from the 80's, too, 10 years ago when I was just discovering the Net. My house was on one shot, and I was probably in the picture myself, at work at a building down the road at the moment the photo was shot from 120 miles up or however high the Sovs flew their Cosmos birds.

Thanks for the post.

[Renfield]

OK...I'll see if I can explain this using an analogy. (For background information, you might want to acquire a copy of James P. Owens' "Geologic Map of the Cape Fear Region, 1 degree x 2 degree quadrangle, and Northern Half of the Georgetown 1 degree x 2 degree quadrangle, North Carolina and South Carolina" [I know that's a mouthful, but it's a great map].)

The Coastal Plain of the southeastern US consists of a series of marine terraces of Tertiary and Quaternary age, inset, stretching from the Sandhills (or Piedmont, north of Raleigh) all the way to the edge of the continental shelf. Think of these as a series of stair-steps, with treads and risers just like stairs...the risers are scarps, and the treads are terrace treads. Now, to illustrate the pattern made by Carolina Bays on these landscapes, do the following:
1. Procure a bunch of half-dollars, quarters, nickels, pennies, and dimes.
2. Go to a set of stairs in your home (assuming you have stairs), and face the stairs, looking upstairs.
3. Place the half-dollars in a row on a tread, right next to the uphill riser, running parallel to the edge of the riser.
4. Place the quarters in a row parallel to the first row, an inch or so toward you (i.e., closer to the downhill edge of the tread).
5. Place the nickels in the next row, then the pennies, then the dimes.
This is a simplified version of the pattern made by Carolina Bays. The largest Bays, generally, are geographically nearest the toe of the landward scarp, and average bay size decreases seaward on the terrace. It repeats itself on each new tread. I was in the office looking at topo maps and aerial photos of our survey area one day and had a "Eureka!!" moment when I recognized this pattern. You won't be able to see it on the small area shown in your photo; you need to be able to trace scarps on a series of 7.5 minute quadrangle topo maps, and compare aerial photos across the same area. It takes a big table and a lot of maps. The pattern just lept right out at me.

By the way, if you can view the geologic map I referenced, you'll see that the very largest bays (Waccamaw, White Lake, etc) lie atop the Cape Fear arch, which is still geologically active; this suggests that tectonism may play a role in bay formation.

[Renfield]

As for Alaska:
When I was at Soil Science Institute a few years ago, which then was held at Washington State University, on of the professors had a large poster of an aerial photograph of those formations on the North Slope. They look EXACTLY llike Carolina Bays. I saw the poster from a distance, and thinking it was of Carolina Bays, walked up to have a look..and was surprised to find the photo was of Alaska.

If I recall correctly, the geomorphic surface upon which these Alaskan Bays reside is younger (i.e., Holocene) than the ones currently supporting bays in the Carolinas. This is larglely an artifact of Holocene marine transgressions in the Southeast US; if you drill down through the various stranded barrier dunes and back-barrier flats along the coast of South Carolina today, you will find buried carolina bays.