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Double loyalty charge can be a hurtful one (Canadian Jews)
CBC News ^ | July 24, 2006 | Larry Zolf

Posted on 07/24/2006 11:20:38 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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1 posted on 07/24/2006 11:20:42 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: fanfan; GMMAC; Clive; Alouette; SJackson

Jewish Canadians ping!


2 posted on 07/24/2006 11:27:14 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Harper's war in Afghanistan

Despicable bias.

3 posted on 07/24/2006 11:28:16 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: West Coast Conservative

This 'double loyalty' thing is tough. First as an American I think that no one should be allowed to have dual citizenship. You are either an American citizen or not, period. Second you will never have people with out feeling to their ancestral home or their racial group but I do believe you could modify this to a large extent by insisting that as an American you speak English and that all government business be conducted in English. This would at least give us a common language with which to converse and trade our thoughts and ideals.


4 posted on 07/24/2006 11:32:12 AM PDT by Hazcat
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

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5 posted on 07/24/2006 11:34:10 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The crisis in the Middle East poses a new challenge to multiculturalism.

Ack.
6 posted on 07/24/2006 11:41:20 AM PDT by proud_yank (If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free.)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; ahayes; albyjimc2; ...
the group most open to the charge of double loyalty is the Canadian Jewish community

No dual problem for Saudi-Canadians? Iranian-Canadians? Egyptian-Canadians? Syrian-Canadians? Kuwaiti-Canadians? Dubai-Canadians? UAE-Canadians? Bahraini-Canadians? Sudanese-Canadians? Yemenite-Canadians? Jordanian-Canadians? Palestinian-Canadians? Chechyn-Canadians? Algerian-Canadians? Moroccan-Canadians? Tunisian-Canadians?

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

No, because ISLAM ALWAYS COMES FIRST!

7 posted on 07/24/2006 11:42:28 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 135-139)
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To: Alexander Rubin; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; ...
Canada ping.

Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.

8 posted on 07/24/2006 11:43:22 AM PDT by fanfan
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To: Hazcat

I doubt the author is addressing dual citizenship, simply Canadians who are Jewish.


9 posted on 07/24/2006 11:43:48 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Those guys arrested in Mississauga had a major dual nationality problem.


10 posted on 07/24/2006 11:44:38 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 135-139)
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To: Hazcat

Did you know that the highest percentage of dual citizens in the U.S. are US/Canadian?


11 posted on 07/24/2006 11:45:47 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 135-139)
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To: ncountylee

You beat me to it! That jumped right out, didn't it.

Harper wasn't even in office when that war began.


12 posted on 07/24/2006 11:46:51 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: West Coast Conservative

The real question of dual loyalty is whether the Canadian Liberal Party can continue to be simultaneously loyal to the West and to Islam.


13 posted on 07/24/2006 11:47:36 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Already the Lebanese community in Canada is protesting Prime Minister Stephen Harper's defence of Israel's "measured response."

Larry the burnt-out beatnick never fails to open with a lie. A significant number of Lebanese-Canadians have been singing Harper's praises since he took his anti-terrorist stand.

14 posted on 07/24/2006 11:58:36 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Yay! It's Riding Season!)
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To: Alouette

I didn't know for sure but it does not surprise me. Got to have a place to run to and/or a place to retire other than the 'S' hole they have 'loyalty' to.


15 posted on 07/24/2006 12:02:38 PM PDT by Hazcat
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To: West Coast Conservative

What about the most obvious double-loyalty - French Canadians?


16 posted on 07/24/2006 12:46:44 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada! (Steve's won my vote in the meantime))
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To: West Coast Conservative
When in High School in Fredericton I was lucky enough to fall for a beautifully statuesque jewish girl.

It was an education in Jewish culture and a wonderfully romantic interlude. Contrary to the stereotypical dating stories I had been warned with, I found that her family was brilliantly intelligent, warm and really comical at times. I loved them.

I also educated myself by attending several public presentations by then living survivors of the holocaust.

The upshot is that I believe that the culture of the Jews is one which celebrates life and its creation. The culture of Sumer, ie from Sumeria and Babylon essentially is a culture of nihilism and death. After all Shiite Islam is little different than the society created by the Sumerians in their worship of Baal and Ishtar. Indeed the crescent of Ishtar adorns many Muslim flags today. It is a reminder to Muslims that feminine creative life needs to be suppressed and controlled. It is institutionalized nihilism.

An over simplification would be perhaps to say that Jewish civilization possesses a philosophey of "life makers" while the Shia are dedicated to a philosophy of "life takers" and supression.

As the world shrinks, the Shia women come under the Western influence which appeals to them as women to be life makers, rather than to simply bear children whose most ultimate expression would be to become a martyr for Islam. This is Israel's greatest offence, and the greatest offense of the West. Therefore the Shia seek to destroy or subjugate the rest of the world in an insane attempt to seek a refuge they now cannot construct in isolation from the rest of the world, as they had done in the past.

This war is one of a clash between civilizations, and for anyone to think otherwise is just plain dumb.

In Canada we have a multitude of femino-nazis and Gays who believe that civilization according to Shiism is suitable for them and all Canadians. Our liberal socialists agree with them. They too are life takers, not life makers.

That is why the charges by liberal socialists of "dual loyalty" are so laughable. They come from people who believe in a Utopia of life takers, an oxymoronic approach.

These Canadian anti-Jewish life takers are to be mocked and ridiculed by Canadians as they well should.What Utopia could possibly be founded on militant nihilism? Any Utopian approach is doomed to failure anyway, becuase it necessarily restricts the individual freedoms which define human happiness. Ordinary Canadians are life makers and always will be, and now ordinary Canadians see quite beyond the horrors to which Canadian liberal socialists had been leading them nihilistically since Trudeau. They are dismissed, and we anxiously await for them just to crawl into a corner and die, silently.

17 posted on 07/24/2006 12:51:21 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: West Coast Conservative
For some reason charges of "double loyalty" always seems to apply to Jews more than to anyone else, no matter how much dual loyalty they actually have.

I had no idea that Canadian Jews were suspicious of the Left and of the liberal media. If this is so I am glad, but I believe the Jewish community of Canada has been traditionally left-of-center.

Canada is much more anti-Semitic than the United States (there were riots in Quebec during WWII by French Canadians who wanted nothing to do with fighting for Britain, and Alberta was actually governed for a while by the anti-Semitic Social Credit Party).

I do wish people would stop referring to anti-Semitism as "racism" (a word that conjures up a flag-burning Sixties hippie attacking "like, racism, man!"). Anti-Semitism is simply resentment of G-d's election of Israel . . . but then people would have to talk about G-d, and people don't like doing that. Ironically, it is considered especially inappropriate to associate G-d with the Jewish People, the people G-d chose. Are they not the archtypal "victims of religion?"

18 posted on 07/24/2006 1:08:22 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Arabs out! Temple up! Mashiach NOW!!! HaShem is King over all the earth!!!!)
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To: Hazcat
This 'double loyalty' thing is tough. First as an American I think that no one should be allowed to have dual citizenship. You are either an American citizen or not, period. Second you will never have people with out feeling to their ancestral home or their racial group but I do believe you could modify this to a large extent by insisting that as an American you speak English and that all government business be conducted in English. This would at least give us a common language with which to converse and trade our thoughts and ideals.

The primary loyalty of each and every human being is to the G-d Who created him. Loyalty to G-d comes before all other loyalties. And since the Jewish people have been historically a Theocratic government-in-exile in which the Rabbinate had civil authority (the idea of Jews as a "religious denomination" is a modern one) insistence that Jews place loyalty to another country before what G-d has commanded of them is very tricky.

Secular states made up of various religions are a relatively recent phenomenon in history. At any rate, to place country before G-d is idolatry. Too many "G-d, family, country" conservatives imply that G-d is a projection or totem of the family/country rather than an objective Truth.

Fundamentalism and conservatism do not always mesh (contrary to popular belief). I am most definitely a religious fundamentalist, which means I object to G-d sublimated to any other loyalty or loyalty to G-d being made use of for another reason.

19 posted on 07/24/2006 1:13:49 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Arabs out! Temple up! Mashiach NOW!!! HaShem is King over all the earth!!!!)
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I don't want to get into a religious debate but I never think about loyalty and God at the same time. I see loyalty as something that can be shifted (if done correctly and I'm not going to go into detail here). Whereas my relationship with God is not about loyalty it just is.


20 posted on 07/24/2006 1:19:30 PM PDT by Hazcat
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