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Double loyalty charge can be a hurtful one (Canadian Jews)
CBC News ^ | July 24, 2006 | Larry Zolf

Posted on 07/24/2006 11:20:38 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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To: timsbella
What about the most obvious double-loyalty - French Canadians?

French Canadians are another interesting example of Communists supporting a "national liberation movement" for white European chr*stians (giving the lie to the racialists who insist Communism is a racial conspiracy against European civilization). Quebec was historically very anti-Semitic and even pro-Nazi in WWII but nevertheless (like the Irish, Basques, Scots, Welsh, Bretons, Cornish, etc.) was blessed by the Left with a "national liberation movement." Ironically, despite its current Leftist orientation (the Parti Quebecois is a member of the Socialist International) our neo-Confederates are big fans of French Canadian nationalism (as they are of Celtic nationalism and bilingualism in the British Isles).

So when do poor Southern whites get a NLM? Maybe the Cajuns would be a good place to start!

21 posted on 07/24/2006 1:19:57 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Arabs out! Temple up! Mashiach NOW!!! HaShem is King over all the earth!!!!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
even pro-Nazi in WWII

I'd be interested in knowing what you mean by this .

22 posted on 07/24/2006 1:24:38 PM PDT by Snowyman
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To: Hazcat
I don't want to get into a religious debate but I never think about loyalty and God at the same time. I see loyalty as something that can be shifted (if done correctly and I'm not going to go into detail here). Whereas my relationship with God is not about loyalty it just is.

I understand what you mean. It's just that it's easy for chr*stians (especially individualistic, born-again types) to forget that the Jews are a chosen nation with a G-d given Law (the Torah) and government.

I actually advocate a return to Jewry as a legal sovereign corporate Theocratic entity (Jews are a nation in exile, not a mere religious denomination). This would give the Orthodox Rabbinate its proper status as the civil authority over all Halakhic Jews (and put an end to the "official Jewish leadership" being made up of secularists). As to whether the sovereign Jewish community also enjoying citizenship in the host nation, that depends on if it is good or bad for the Torah. Certainly no one complains about various American Indian tribes being both "sovereign nations" and American citizens.

23 posted on 07/24/2006 1:25:26 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Arabs out! Temple up! Mashiach NOW!!! HaShem is King over all the earth!!!!)
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To: Snowyman
I'd be interested in knowing what you mean by this .

Oh come on! It's a matter of public record that participation in WWII was very unpopular in Quebec because of the province's traditional hostility to Britain (anti-Semitism was very rife in Quebec as well). Look it up in any history book on the subject.

There was absolutely nothing controversial in what I said.

24 posted on 07/24/2006 1:29:36 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Arabs out! Temple up! Mashiach NOW!!! HaShem is King over all the earth!!!!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
There was absolutely nothing controversial in what I said.////,

I simply ask you a question . Expecting a simple answer. Nothing controversial was implied , other than I suspected you were painting with an extremely broad brush . I do disagree with your labeling French Canadians as "pro Nazi" because they chose not to support what they called an "English" war. If you take the time to read a history book you will find a strong Catholic protest , led by local priests , in Quebec against the war . Until the bodies of seamen started washing a shore along the Gulf of St Lawrence.

You also might want to find out about the French Canadian regiments, volunteers all , who fought and died at places like Dieppe , Ortona and Juno Beach. . Just like the English Canadian ones. And then there is the Jewish population of Montreal and Quebec City . Persecuted to the point that they're still there . Recognized as a citizens over 170 years ago.

Yeah , nothing controversial in what you said at all .

25 posted on 07/24/2006 2:12:11 PM PDT by Snowyman
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Your refusal to properly capitalize the word "Christian" and seeming rejection of any notion as to the validity of Celtic Scottish & Irish nation states, combined with the rest of your intolerant comments, leads me to believe you subscribe to views not unlike those of the Taliban.

Now, notwithstanding that I've made numerous posts supporting Israel's obvious right to self-determination/defense, I'll just wait to be labeled an anti-Semite in response to concluding as much.
26 posted on 07/24/2006 2:52:10 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
Your refusal to properly capitalize the word "Christian"

Which I do to avoid spelling out the name of a false "gxd." I also avoid spelling out the names of the days of the week, months, planets, etc. Sorry this offends you. Most people who do this write "X-tian." I don't use the "X" because I believe it is a valid abbreviation for the Nazarene that his followers should be able to use without feeling like they're betraying their religion.

and seeming rejection of any notion as to the validity of Celtic Scottish & Irish nation states,

I never denied the Irish or Scottish nation states. I pointed out that Irish and Scottish nationalism is leftwing and even has Communist affiliates, despite Ireland and Scotland being white, European, and chr*stian.

BTW, some people deny an English nation state. I trust you do not?

combined with the rest of your intolerant comments, leads me to believe you subscribe to views not unlike those of the Taliban.

Now you've got me! I plead guilty to that! I believe in the Jealous G-d of Israel, the G-d Who will not tolerate the worship of another, and Who has an absolute claim on the loyalty, belief, and obedience of every single human being regardless of his culture/race/heritage/nation/civilization. This is very much removed from out post-"eighteenth century" concept of religion, which holds religion to be a minor private concept with no claims to absolute objective truth and which holds that national citizenship trumps religious loyalties.

Haven't you ever heard of the Messiah? What do you think he's going to do--give people "freedom of religion?" Gad!

You know, it's funny. I grew up in the Bible Belt where the drinking of alcoholic beverages is considered inherently sinful and "left wing," yet the historical temperance movement did indeed begin as a leftwing "reform" movement along the lines of labor unions, women's suffrage, world peace, et al. Similarly the Jewish People to me represent One thing and One thing only--not democracy, not pluralism, not tolerance, not intellectualism, not urban professions, not philosophy, not science, but the Book of Joshua! Now ain't it funny how people can arrive at a common position (pro-Israel or pro-temperance) from such mutually exclusive points of reference?

Now, notwithstanding that I've made numerous posts supporting Israel's obvious right to self-determination/defense, I'll just wait to be labeled an anti-Semite in response to concluding as much.

Before I can call you that I'll have to know that you deny that G-d wrote the Torah.

27 posted on 07/24/2006 4:32:25 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Arabs out! Temple up! Mashiach NOW!!! HaShem is King over all the earth!!!!)
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To: Snowyman

So can us rednecks have a leftwing "national liberation movement" like the Quebecers/Irish/Scottish/Cornish/Breton/Basques/Lapps do? Is there some place a formal request can be filed?


28 posted on 07/24/2006 4:33:58 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Arabs out! Temple up! Mashiach NOW!!! HaShem is King over all the earth!!!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Obviously, the charge of "dual loyalty" is a specious one under the current circumstances, where the interests of Israel and the Canadian government (as expressed by PM Harper) coincide.

Kudos to the PM for recognizing and articulating that the common enemy of both Israel and Canada is Islamic terrorism.

Now if only Mr. Harper could show his support further by sending even a small Canadian armed force or even civilians to help out the Americans and Brits in stabilizing Iraq.

29 posted on 07/24/2006 4:45:12 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Zionist Conspirator
So ALL Irish & Scots nationalists are leftists ???

Sure, the Torah was Divinely authored.
However, we likely disagree on Him having continued in His directives to us afterward.
30 posted on 07/24/2006 5:56:01 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: justiceseeker93
"Now if only Mr. Harper could show his support further by sending even a small Canadian armed force or even civilians to help out the Americans and Brits in stabilizing Iraq. "

Actually there've been a few (e.g. 50-100) Canadian troops in Iraq all along due, in part, to various secondments, etc. between our Forces.

However, Harper's likely now played his hand about as far as he possibly can without a majority government.
Besides, our current re-building of our Military is of far more long term value to our allies than any mere symbolic gesture.
31 posted on 07/24/2006 6:03:30 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
So can us rednecks have a leftwing "national liberation movement"

Why would you ask me? Perhaps you should ask your God for the answer . In your case He will answer you verbally when you expect it .

32 posted on 07/24/2006 6:18:09 PM PDT by Snowyman
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To: GMMAC
So ALL Irish & Scots nationalists are leftists ???

Hmmm. Funny, but I don't recall saying that. I do recall pointing out that historic Communist/Leftist support for Celtic nationalism gives the lie to the "Communism is a Jewish plot against the white race" crowd. I also wish to point out that in the UK English nationalism is as politically incorrect as is "white nationalism" in the US.

Sure, the Torah was Divinely authored. However, we likely disagree on Him having continued in His directives to us afterward.

I didn't realize you were a mormon.

33 posted on 07/24/2006 8:02:44 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Arabs out! Temple up! Mashiach NOW!!! HaShem is King over all the earth!!!!)
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To: Snowyman
Why would you ask me?

Because David Rockefeller is 90 years old now and doesn't hear that well.

34 posted on 07/24/2006 8:04:18 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Arabs out! Temple up! Mashiach NOW!!! HaShem is King over all the earth!!!!)
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To: Alouette

I can just imagine some French Canadian anti-Semite complaining that the Canadian Jews have double loyalty!


35 posted on 07/24/2006 9:14:43 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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