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U.S. Senate Bids to Ban Emergency Gun Confiscation
Officer.com (Law Enforcement News) ^ | 7/24/06 | n/a

Posted on 07/25/2006 10:00:01 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

U.S. Senate Bids to Ban Emergency Gun Confiscation

But one prominent Democrat, among others, is opposed

Updated: July 24th, 2006 05:07 PM PDT

Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) charges a Republican-backed amendment that prohibits the confiscation of guns during an emergency puts police officers and first responders in danger. The amendment, sponsored by Sen. David Vitter (R-LA), was added to the Homeland Security appropriations bill during a July 13 Senate vote.

During the rescue and response after Hurricane Katrina police officers and first responders had to pull back from rescuing victims because they were being shot at by snipers. The amendment "prohibits the confiscation of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster if the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law."

Kennedy accuses the Republican leadership of backing "another special-interest, anti-law enforcement measure that strips away the rights of law enforcement to respond to public safety emergencies."

Kennedy also accuses the National Rifle Association of setting the Senate's Republican agenda. "This proposal is part of the NRA's nationwide campaign to target the nation's Mayors and Police Chiefs. With fear tactics and inflammatory rhetoric, the NRA is looking for pledges that the people protecting our communities will never confiscate a weapon during a natural disaster. The NRA's perverse response to the devastating tragedy caused by Hurricane Katrina has been to launch an aggressive fund-raising campaign to undermine the very law enforcement and public safety officials who protect us during times of crisis," Kennedy says in a prepared statement.

But Republicans were not the only backers of the amendment. Several key Democrats also voted in favor of the provision. Democratic Sens. Robert Byrd (WV), Barack Obama (IL), Ben Nelson (NE), Bill Nelson (FL), John Rockefeller IV (WV), Evan Bay (IN), Jeff Bingaman (NM), Russ Feingold (WI), Patty Murray (WA), Joseph Biden (DE), Patrick Leahy (VT), Joseph Lieberman (CT) and Mary Landrieu (LA) all voted in favor of the amendment.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; 4a; 4thamendment; bang; banglist; confiscation; firearm; fourthamendment; gun; pistol; revolver; rifle; rkba; secondamendment; shallnotbeinfringed; shotgun

1 posted on 07/25/2006 10:00:03 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

Too bad Kennedy can't be banned, or his aquatic "automobile".


2 posted on 07/25/2006 10:00:51 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
I am continuing to compile a list of FreeRepublic folks who are interested in RKBA topics. FReepmail me if you want to be added.

Conversely, if you want off my ping-list, let me know.

And my apologies for any redundant pings.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

3 posted on 07/25/2006 10:01:27 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Joe Brower

add me to RKBA.

Thanks


5 posted on 07/25/2006 10:04:27 AM PDT by Hazcat
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To: kiriath_jearim

What they should do is add to this provision that the County Deputy can "Deputize" these gun owners to act as a security force, much like a County Militia.

In fact having a county Militia to help in times like this is an idea who's time LONG ago came and for some reason, went.


6 posted on 07/25/2006 10:07:33 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Blue Jays
Hi All-

I would love to hear Senator Kennedy's twisted logic on how a law-abiding and decent citizen suddenly becomes a "threat to police and first-responders" in the event of a storm or other natural disaster. Hopefully that crackpot will retire from the Senate soon.

~ Blue Jays ~

7 posted on 07/25/2006 10:09:00 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Joe Brower

RKBA? What is?


8 posted on 07/25/2006 10:10:18 AM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: Leatherneck_MT
What they should do is add to this provision that the County Deputy can "Deputize" these gun owners to act as a security force, much like a County Militia.

Never happen. It's easier to disarm the honest and innocent than fight the lawsuits of the guilty who get popped looting.

9 posted on 07/25/2006 10:10:40 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Crazier than a rattlesnake at a Thai wedding)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

It's time the 'innocent' began to resist, by Force, any jerk wearing any uniform that tries to violate their constitutionally protected rights. Whether under the color of law or not.


10 posted on 07/25/2006 10:12:30 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Eaker; humblegunner; Flyer

Ping to article on effort to prohibit gun confiscation during an emergency or natural disaster.

I know some activists here who are working to initiate such a measure on the state/local level. Yall know anything about existing local laws on the subject?

Also, let me know if you're interested, and I'll freepmail you more info on the petition.


11 posted on 07/25/2006 10:12:41 AM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: kiriath_jearim

12 posted on 07/25/2006 10:12:45 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: YCTHouston
RKBA = Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
13 posted on 07/25/2006 10:13:56 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Blue Jays

Criminals don't obey laws. Why is that such a difficult concept for the likes of Kennedy to grasp? Pass a law and who will obey it - answer: law abiding citizens. Confiscate guns? Who do you confiscate from? Law abiding registered gun owners. Confiscate from criminals? How? Where? If they could confiscate from criminals WHY DON'T THEY DO THAT NOW??!!???!?!? This would ONLY disarm the law abiding and leave the criminals COMPLETELY untouched!

In 1988, Marylanders could vote for or against a gun law banning so called Saturday night specials. The then governor of Maryland, William Donald Schaeffer, actually came on television in a commercial for this gun ban and held up a Saturday night special and he actually said ".. this gun can only be used to commit crimes - if you try to defend yourself with it, it won't work".

He was, of course, referring to the indisputable fact that the evil gun will take over your mind and force you to kill people at random unless you have the Jedi-like mastery over guns that only police or military training can give you.

A female reporter after Columbine was talking to one of the students at Columbine - the student said: "I do some hunting and boy, I sure wished I had my hunting rifle with me...". The female reporter commenting about that student said: "Oh, thank goodness he didn't have his gun too - that would have made things so much worse". Again, in the presence of the other evil being committed by those other students, this particular student wouldn't have stood a chance of being able to control his rifle.

These people clearly have a serious mental disorder. I'm surprised they haven't yet demanded that firearms actually be placed in prison cells instead of the innocent men whose minds were controlled by them.


14 posted on 07/25/2006 10:18:59 AM PDT by OldTypeAmerican (Better to die on your feet like a man than to live on your knees as a slave.)
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks; I suppose that should have been obvious, but I've had no coffee today.

Btw, anybody post the NRA's original announcement on the truth about this? NRA-ILA

15 posted on 07/25/2006 10:20:18 AM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: YCTHouston
Sorry, make that NRA-ILA
16 posted on 07/25/2006 10:21:44 AM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: kiriath_jearim
emergency puts police officers and first responders in danger

You can't have it both ways (unless you're liberal gun grabbing neo national socialist piece of sh!t like Kennedy of course) Either, "police put their lives on the line for us every day" or they are the government's sacred bully boys who never to go in harms way. Which is it? (Hint - Think about how the Columbine swat team reacted)

17 posted on 07/25/2006 10:25:07 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: kiriath_jearim

So this is America if the left wins?


18 posted on 07/25/2006 10:25:16 AM PDT by Sybeck1
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To: kiriath_jearim

19 posted on 07/25/2006 10:25:27 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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20 posted on 07/25/2006 10:27:57 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: kiriath_jearim
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21 posted on 07/25/2006 10:29:49 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: kiriath_jearim
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) charges a Republican-backed amendment that prohibits the confiscation of guns during an emergency puts police officers and first responders in danger.

If the reports from NO have any accuracy whatsoever, it was the first-responders (the thugs) who put the population at risk. When there is no phone service, people cannot rely on calling 911 for protection (even when the phones are working, 357 beats 911 almost every time). Disarm the looters? Absolutely. Disarm grandma sitting on her front porch? Insanity.

22 posted on 07/25/2006 10:33:02 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Occupation does not cause terrorism; terrorism causes occupation. (A. Dershowitz))
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To: kiriath_jearim
Kennedy knows that in a disaster that his property is going to be specially protectected. The legal gun owners are probably Republicans anyway. Disarm the Republicans. The criminal's guns are untraceable so they stay armed. In any account the the law abider's, Democrat and Republican will be in open season.. Ted lets his constituents in danger as well. Bet he never thought of that.
23 posted on 07/25/2006 10:37:36 AM PDT by oyez (The way to punish a providence is to allow it to be governed by philosophers. --Frederick the Great)
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To: YCTHouston

RKBA:

I believe it's the "Right to Keep and Bear Arms"


24 posted on 07/25/2006 10:41:02 AM PDT by sneakers (Freedom is the answer to the human condition)
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To: Mikey Pepper
I worry more about Big Gov Libs like Teddy than a few rogues on the streets.

You can also worry about his JBTs since Teddy the fat isn't going to risk his hide collecting your property from you. It's the local gun gestapo and the local militsia who will ignore this law just like they've been ignoring the 2nd amendment for decades.

26 posted on 07/25/2006 10:56:09 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Mikey Pepper

Kennedy now is concerned about "the rights of law enforcement". If that doesn't sound like a Nazi phrase, what does?


27 posted on 07/25/2006 10:58:14 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: kiriath_jearim

You know what I'm sick of?

I'm sick of the Senator calling himself 'Ted', and 'Teddy'. The SOBs name is freakin' EDWARD!!!

He continues to besmirch the name of Teds and Teddys everywhere!

Signed,

TC "Teddy" Rider


28 posted on 07/25/2006 11:04:15 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Dick Bachert
Here's one that I made. Feel free to pass around.


29 posted on 07/25/2006 11:07:00 AM PDT by proud_yank (If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until its free.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
This is from an article from the Cato Institute:

Like many early horror stories about ultra-violent New Orleans natives, whether in their home city or in far-flung temporary shelters, the A.P. article turned out to be false. Evacuation from the city of New Orleans was never “halted,” according to officials from the Coast Guard, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and the Louisiana National Guard. The only helicopter airlifts stopped were those by a single private company, Acadian Ambulance, from a single location: the Superdome. And Acadian officials, who had one of the only functional communications systems in all of New Orleans during those first days, were taking every opportunity to lobby for a massive military response.

Link:

http://www.reason.com/0512/co.mw.they.shtml

30 posted on 07/25/2006 11:15:15 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: mbynack
Sorry - the extracted paragraph didn't spell out the "jist" of the story. Here's the whole thing.

They Shoot Helicopters, Don’t They?

How journalists spread rumors during Katrina.

Matt Welch

On September 1, 72 hours after Hurricane Katrina ripped through New Orleans, the Associated Press news wire flashed a nightmare of a story: “Katrina Evacuation Halted Amid Gunfire…Shots Are Fired at Military Helicopter.”

The article flew across the globe via at least 150 news outlets, from India to Turkey to Spain. Within 24 hours commentators on every major American television news network had helped turn the helicopter sniper image into the disaster’s enduring symbol of dysfunctional urbanites too depraved to be saved.

Golfer Tiger Woods spoke for many of us on September 2 when he remarked, during a tournament in Boston, that “it’s just unbelievable…how people are behaving, with the shootings and now the gang rapes and the gang violence and shooting at helicopters who are trying to help out and rescue people.”

Like many early horror stories about ultra-violent New Orleans natives, whether in their home city or in far-flung temporary shelters, the A.P. article turned out to be false. Evacuation from the city of New Orleans was never “halted,” according to officials from the Coast Guard, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and the Louisiana National Guard. The only helicopter airlifts stopped were those by a single private company, Acadian Ambulance, from a single location: the Superdome. And Acadian officials, who had one of the only functional communications systems in all of New Orleans during those first days, were taking every opportunity to lobby for a massive military response.

More important, there has been no official confirmation that a single military helicopter over New Orleans—let alone a National Guard Chinook in the pre-dawn hours of September 1—was fired upon. “I was at the Superdome for eight days, and I don’t remember hearing anything about a helicopter getting shot at,” says Maj. Ed Bush, public affairs officer for the Louisiana Air National Guard. With hundreds of Guard troops always on duty inside and outside the Superdome before, during, and after Hurricane Katrina, if there had been gunfire, “we would have heard it,” Bush maintains. “The instant reaction over the radio would have been overwhelming.”

The Air Force, to which the Air National Guard reports, also has zero record of helicopter sniping. “We investigated one incident and it turned out to have been shooting on the ground, not at the helicopter,” Air Force Maj. Mike Young told The New York Times on September 29.

Aside from the local National Guard, the other government agency with scores of helicopters over New Orleans was the U.S. Coast Guard, which rescued more than 33,000 people. “Coast Guard helicopters,” says spokeswoman Jolie Shifflet, “were not fired on during Hurricane Katrina rescue operations.”

How about the Civil Air Patrol (CAP), the all-volunteer, Air Force–assisting network of around 58,000 private Cessna pilots, 68 of whom flew a total of 833 aid missions after the hurricane? “To my knowledge,” says CAP Public Affairs Manager Jim Tynan, “none of our pilots on any Katrina-related mission were taking ground fire.”

That doesn’t mean that people weren’t shooting at helicopters. As Lt. Comdr. Tim Tobiasz, the Coast Guard’s operations officer for New Orleans airspace, told me, “It’s tough to hear in a helicopter. You have two turbine engines.…I don’t know if you could hear a gunshot below.” And the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms arrested a 21-year-old man in the Algiers neighborhood of New Orleans on September 6 for firing a handgun out his window while helicopters flew nearby.

But the basic premise of the article that introduced the New Orleans helicopter sniper to a global audience was dead wrong, just like so many other widely disseminated Katrina nightmares. No 7-year-old rape victim with a slit throat was ever found, even though the atrocity was reported in scores of newspapers. The Convention Center freezer was not stacked with 30 or 40 dead bodies, nor was the Superdome a live-in morgue. (An estimated 10 people died inside the two buildings combined, and only one was slain, according to the best data from National Guard officials at press time.)

Tales of rapes, carjackings, and gang violence by Katrina refugees quickly circulated in such evacuee centers as Baton Rouge, Houston, and Leesville, Louisiana—and were almost as quickly debunked.

From a journalistic point of view, the root causes of the bogus reports were largely the same: The communication breakdown without and especially within New Orleans created an information vacuum in which wild oral rumor thrived. Reporters failed to exercise enough skepticism in passing along secondhand testimony from victims (who often just parroted what they picked up from the rumor mill), and they were far too eager to broadcast as fact apocalyptic statements from government officials—such as Mayor Ray Nagin’s prediction of 10,000 Katrina-related deaths (there were less than 900 in New Orleans at press time) and Police Superintendent Edwin Compass’ reference on The Oprah Winfrey Show to “little babies getting raped”—without factoring in discounts for incompetence and ulterior motives.

Just about every local official and emergency responder with access to the media in those first heartbreaking days basically screamed, and understandably so, for federal assistance. With their citizens stranded, desperate, and even dying, with their own response a shambles, and with their families and employees in mortal jeopardy, they had ample temptation to exaggerate the wretchedness of local conditions and ample fatigue to let some whoppers fly.

“I think that’s exactly what it was,” says Maj. Bush. “But the problem is they were doing it on the radio, and then the people in the dome would hear it.”

The information vacuum in the Superdome was especially dangerous. Cell phones didn’t work, the arena’s public address system wouldn’t run on generator power, and the law enforcement on hand was reduced to talking to the 20,000 evacuees using bullhorns and a lot of legwork. “A lot of them had AM radios, and they would listen to news reports that talked about the dead bodies at the Superdome, and the murders in the bathrooms of the Superdome, and the babies being raped at the Superdome,” Bush says, “and it would create terrible panic. I would have to try and convince them that no, it wasn’t happening.”

The reports of rampant lawlessness, especially the persistent urban legend of shooting at helicopters, definitely delayed some emergency and law enforcement responses. Reports abounded, from places like Andover, Massachusetts, of localities refusing to send their firefighters because of “people shooting at helicopters.” The National Guard refused to approach the Convention Center until September 2, 100 hours after the hurricane, because “we waited until we had enough force in place to do an overwhelming force,” Lt. Gen. H. Steven Blum told reporters on September 3.

“One of my good friends, Col. Jacques Thibodeaux, led that security effort,” Bush says. “They said, ‘Jacques, you gotta get down here and sweep this thing.’ He said he was braced for anything. And he encountered nothing—other than a whole lot of people clapping and cheering and so glad that they were here.”

At the same time, it is plausible that the exaggerations helped make the outside response quicker than it otherwise would have been, potentially saving lives. As with many details of this natural and manmade disaster, we may never know.

But in the meantime, truth became a casualty, news organizations that were patting their own backs in early September were publishing protracted mea culpas by the end of the month, and reputation of a great American city has been, at least to some degree, unfairly tarnished.

“New Orleanians have been kind of cheated, because now everybody thinks that they just turned to animals, and that there was complete lawlessness and utter abandon,” says Maj. Bush. “And that wasn’t the case.…There’s a whole bunch of stuff out there that never happened at the dome, as I think America’s beginning to find out, slowly.”

31 posted on 07/25/2006 11:18:36 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Joe Brower

Would that fat, gutless, toad: Teddy Kennedy just shut up!


32 posted on 07/25/2006 11:41:07 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"During the rescue and response after Hurricane Katrina police officers and first responders had to pull back from rescuing victims because they were being shot at by snipers."

Guess what genius! Any scum wad that would shoot at a first responder isn't going to give a tinker's damn about your moronic gun confiscation law. What a schmuck!

33 posted on 07/25/2006 12:26:39 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: OldTypeAmerican
There you go again.

Making sense like that. ;o)

34 posted on 07/25/2006 12:43:38 PM PDT by kstewskis (Hey La Raza and illegals....IDENTITY THEFT IS NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME!!)
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To: TC Rider

I use Father Ted when I'm flying starships online. Unlike the U-Boat Commander, I've never lost a Federation ship in the depths of Chappaquiddick, and my nephews have never been accused of rape.


35 posted on 07/25/2006 3:40:47 PM PDT by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("By the time I'm finished with you, you're gonna wish you felt this good again" - Jack Bauer)
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To: kiriath_jearim

First, I challenge his assumption, that police and other first responders will be endangered by this, but even if it were true, so what? Does it make more sense to endanger the first responders to keep the citizens safe or endanger the citizens to keep the first responders safe??? After all, the jobs are dangerous by definition, their JOB is to keep us safe at their own risk.


36 posted on 07/25/2006 3:55:53 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Joe Brower; YCTHouston
RKBA = Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

No way, its Road Kill Beeber Association.

I'm stuned you did not know this.

37 posted on 07/25/2006 4:54:59 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Kennedy also accuses the National Rifle Association of setting the Senate's Republican agenda. "This proposal is part of the NRA's nationwide campaign to target the nation's Mayors and Police Chiefs. With fear tactics and inflammatory rhetoric, the NRA is looking for pledges that the people protecting our communities will never confiscate a weapon during a natural disaster. The NRA's perverse response to the devastating tragedy caused by Hurricane Katrina has been to launch an aggressive fund-raising campaign to undermine the very law enforcement and public safety officials who protect us during times of crisis," Kennedy says in a prepared statement.

Dear Ted:

If we could trust you to uphold the constitution, such measures wouldn't be necessary. Unfortunately, we can't, and we don't and never will trust you and your ilk.

Sincerely,

Locked and Loaded NRA Member

38 posted on 07/25/2006 5:04:44 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: kiriath_jearim

39 posted on 07/25/2006 5:06:45 PM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: kiriath_jearim

You know gun control's a losing issue among Dims when die-hard Rats such as Feingold & Obama voted in favor of this.


40 posted on 07/25/2006 5:09:11 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)
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To: Joe Brower

Thanks for the pings, Joe.


41 posted on 07/25/2006 8:44:35 PM PDT by budwiesest (Pass the cash, somebody's getting elected.)
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To: Dick Bachert
Way to go DB (post 20-21)

My first experience with liberal intolerence was like a Gatoraide bucket dumped on my head. From that point onward, I knew their ideology was to be deeply feared as a freedom loving individual.

When I held a door open for a female and was chastised, I cringed. When I discovered that my sisters had all had an abortion, I cringed. When I applied for a job and found I didn't have enough melanin in my skin to qualify, I cringed. When my government went out of it's way to enforce the above, I cringed. When the same government forsaked it's constitution and the limits enshrined within, in favor of popular ideals, I cringed.

Well, I cringe no more. The intolerant left may now count me as their enemy. The intolerant left may now include me among those willing to turn my guns, my freedom, and my liberty into a full-time pursuit of their destruction. No doubt these socialist, collectivist, communitarins will wear a uniform to the battlefield- unlike thier muzzie, head-cutting cousins, who must hide among innocent nonparticipants to impose their intolerant fascism.

You see, I've been tested and have found-- I have no more tolerance. Let the games begin here at home, as they are being played out elsewhere. We'd might as well get this thing over with, both here and there.

42 posted on 07/25/2006 9:29:35 PM PDT by budwiesest (Pass the cash, somebody's getting elected.)
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To: Still Thinking
See post 31
43 posted on 07/26/2006 5:20:01 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: mbynack

Sorry, I must be a little dense today. I'm missing your point in referring me to #31. It discusses a widely circulated story about people shooting at helicopters which seems to have been debunked. There are several segues I could make from my #36 about the relationship of first responders to members of the public, to that, and I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.


44 posted on 07/26/2006 10:13:34 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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'Old Lard Butt', Teddy Kennedy has his head so far up his posterior orifice, that he needs to go see a surgeon to implant some eyeholes by his belly button (so he can see out).


45 posted on 07/26/2006 7:09:43 PM PDT by punster
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