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The Faustian Generation (did boomers sell their souls to the devil?)
MSNBC ^ | July 24, 2006 | Alan Ehrenhalt

Posted on 07/26/2006 8:48:06 AM PDT by NYer

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To: DustyMoment
Wow, you are a plethora of information - most of it wrong. If you go back and actually read the Social Security Act, it was not established to help "the elderly in absolute poverty". That was just a good line that FDR used to sell the plan. SS was a money grab, pure and simple, by FDR and the leftists because they needed money to try to keep the government afloat. Fortunately, WW2 came along to bail them out because, if it hadn't, chances are that the whole US government would have collapsed and crumbled around their heads. And, since you are so wise, please help this befuddled old boomer understand how getting as much as 1.5% return on the money that Uncle Sam has stolen from ALL of us is a good plan? President Bush (another one of those boomers that y'all want to die and rot in hell), proposed a change to SS that would have allowed you control and direct up to 2% of the SS withholding the government confiscates. Y'all didn't go for it. You are aware that, on average, over time, investment in the stock market yields in the neighborhood of 10% per year ROI. Since y'all are so much smarter than boomers, how come you opted to stay with a plan that gives you a whopping 1.5% return? I thought we boomers were the dumb ones.

Well, talk about rants - you didn't prove one thing I said wrong.

The seniors receiving SS today who are getting all of these benes you're complaining about, aren't boomers. They are part of the Greatest Generation. Boomers are approaching retirement age, but the vast majority of us aren't there, yet. And, as I noted previously, I anticipate that Congress will have to sharply curtail SS benefits for the boomers because the labor pool from successive generations who will have to foot the bill, will have to pay a substantially higher SS withholding. Congress has put itself between the Devil and the deep blue sea and, my guess is, when the fiscal reality smacks them between the eyes, they will vote to cut benes. You guys are young enough to still hurt them - all WE can do is squash their feet with our wheelchairs or get in one good whack with a cane. With bursitis, we can't even throw an iPod at them!!

See my post #4

101 posted on 07/26/2006 11:00:41 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
"I walked over a 1/3rd of a mile to Kindergarten every day."

Hah! Mr. Rockefeller! I suppose you even had shoes! We didn't have any money at all when I was a kid. The only thing we had was a cousin whose thumb smelled a little bit like a penny!

We were so poor, even the mice were hunch-backed!

I'm outta here...

102 posted on 07/26/2006 11:04:00 AM PDT by telebob
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To: Vaquero

It's the boomer's kids you'll really have to worry about. There is a group right now, between 12-18, who have grown up with the comforts of the Boomer generation and don't see any way they can maintain that. Having the hippy generation for parents, they have no moral underpinnings whatsoever. They no longer live with both parents in most cases and in many cases, their parents were never married to begin with. The reason their parents had them to begin with was for their own self-fulfillment.

These kids are incredibly sophisticated users of technology but are socially inept. The most important relationships in their lives are not permanent, so they place little value on relationships. They hang out on MySpace and socialize in internet chat rooms where they can interact with little consequence. They are already so corrupt that they don't blush at hardcore porn, which they carry around on $400 iPods in their pocket. Commercial enterprises and public schools have effectively isolated them from their parents for a good two-thirds of every day. They are becoming cynical, yet docile consumers.

They don't anticipate a future that is nearly as good as what they have now and many of them figure the whole world is going to either blow up in a nuclear war or will be destroyed by global warming. They have no dreams, no ambition, and think they have no future. They have virtually no interest in religion, because the can't foresee a future in this life, much less beyond the grave.

I call them "The Last Generation." With few exceptions, they are without God in the world. In the coming years of judgment and hardship, they have nothing from which to draw strength or believe in. If any generation was to slouch towards Armageddon, it's this one. Out of all the kids I've worked with in Church groups for almost 30 years, this generation is the least interested in things like faith and service. Scouting? Forget about it! Sports? Forget about it? All they want is a GameBoy or PSP so they can practice killing someone. Trying to find something that reaches them and motivates them is almost impossible. With almost every need met, they have nothing that they desire, except shopping for new desires. It's a generation in need of want.


103 posted on 07/26/2006 11:08:08 AM PDT by gregwest
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To: Spktyr
"Thank you, hippie baby boomers. May you all rot in hell. You did more damage to this country in 30 years than everyone else combined managed to do in the prior 200."

Just curious, to which generation do you belong ?

104 posted on 07/26/2006 11:10:55 AM PDT by Darlin' (Gasp ... whathappendtomytagline? AND, whendidithappen?)
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To: NYer
Both my Granddads and uncles were like these two and raised me as much as my old man. They thought the same about boomers much the same as traveling salesmen. They too fought on many continents and oceans, lead men into battle for their country, loved only one women with more passion than any hippie boomer would ever understand. I still fondly remember playing in gramps old barn with 12 foot elk racks hanging in front and the old man with his Winchester model 12 sitting on the porch.


105 posted on 07/26/2006 11:11:26 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: NYer
Good article, but look at how things were with the generation of Jack Kennedy, Frank Sinatra, Hugh Hefner, Jack Kerouac, Allen Ginsburg, William Burroughs, Norman Mailer, and John Lindsay, to say nothing of oldsters like William O. Douglas, Alfred Kinsey, and Benjamin Spock. Granted, such luminaries were only a small part of the population, but their influence was bound to spread.

The boomers weren't just rebels, they were products of the intellectual and cultural climate of the post war era. I guess they could have picked up on the better aspects of the culture of their time. If they'd seen where things were headed, they very well might have done things differently, but wisdom always comes too late.

106 posted on 07/26/2006 11:15:39 AM PDT by x
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To: telebob

It's not the milege, its the prospect of a five year old walking to school all by themselves, and it has nothing to do with being rich or poor.

Nothing is unthinkable or unspeakable anymore, and I think you know that.

If you are as smart as you imply, with all that hard-charging you've done, I figure you got the point.


107 posted on 07/26/2006 11:19:21 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: gregwest
I call them "The Last Generation." With few exceptions, they are without God in the world.

Much of what you say I'll agree with. However, I am much more optimistic than you, perhaps because I live in Texas. My Catholic parish has an incredible LifeTeen program, and our middle school program has expanded to two nights a week to handle the overflow. Last year, we had approximately 700 middle schoolers, and close to 150 active LifeTeen members.

Each generation learns to live with their world as it is. For example, I knew EXACTLY when it was 12 noon, because that's when an air raid siren (150 feet from my house) was tested every day for the 12 years I lived there.

Hang in there, buddy. Keep up the good work, because you're making a difference to the kids.

108 posted on 07/26/2006 11:53:07 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: webstersII; NYer; ELS; cherry; CDHart
This thread is very informative and replete with many truths. I think everyone realizes that one shoe never fits all and that there are many influences that cause a society or individuals to go the way they go. Nonetheless there are also some factors that are more important than others when analyzing "what went wrong".

With that in mind,it's important to remember that there will always be groups and individuals that have more power to direct the ways things go in the world and then there are the masses that those in power influence.What I see is that the "greatest generation" and their "best and brightest" were unable to turnover the reins to "the Wilderness Generation" because they didn't want to give up their heady position of controlling others. The masses bought into their agenda not realizing where it would lead them.

Meanwhile the "Wilderness Generation" waited their turn to apply what they had learned as they watched the world unwind. Just as they believed they were ready to start contributing from a position that would permit them to exercise legitimate authority,the "Boomers" pushed them right out of the picture and moved themselves into the positions of influence and control.

Thus our country and/or society lost a generation of voices and ideas that might have been able to effect the transition from one group to another more smoothly. Because of the pride,avarice,egos and lust for more power,prestige and priveleges accorded to important people of both the "greatest generation" and the "boomers" we have not realized the potential that would have accrued naturally to a country that was allowed to grow organically from its foundation,a nation that in so many ways has been truly blessed.

Combine the qualities of the elite with the loss of belief in an absolute Truth of the masses and we have a gaping hole that needs to be mended or it will engulf us all. The loss of belief in a transcendent God that is not us,was the result of a deliberate undermining of orthodox religion and a part of the overall plan of those elitists who took the reins. I think we really need to pray.

I called it the "Wilderness Generation" because those of us born between 1932 and 1952 (approximately)are akin to those crying in the wilderness. We were able to observe what went wrong but unable to participate in fixing it unless we compromised our values. I know this thumbnail analysis leaves much to be desired but I know that some of it has a big bearing on what's happening these days.

109 posted on 07/26/2006 12:11:06 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Night Hides Not
Us Boomers also won the Cold War.

Bollocks. The US winning the Cold War was a foregone conclusion with or without the boomers help. Unless you now categorise people like Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher as boomers. Boomers suck a**.

110 posted on 07/26/2006 12:33:19 PM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: Catholic Canadian

Oh yeah, and I'm Gen X, just so you know. Boomers are mostly hippy druggie leftists. I'm the new generation of young pro America conservatives. Being in Canada is neither here nor there in my mind, as Canada no longer exists as an entity in my mind.


111 posted on 07/26/2006 12:36:26 PM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: 2banana
within 5 years of when you start collecting it.""

Wouldn't like to place a little bet on that would you? I've been diagnosed with lung cancer -- looks like the govt. will win this one.

carolyn

112 posted on 07/26/2006 12:45:55 PM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: saradippity
Interesting take on the matter.

Carolyn

113 posted on 07/26/2006 12:47:22 PM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: CDHart
within 5 years of when you start collecting it.

Wouldn't like to place a little bet on that would you? I've been diagnosed with lung cancer -- looks like the govt. will win this one.

I am sorry to hear that -

114 posted on 07/26/2006 12:50:54 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: 2banana
See my post #4

Fair enough. My point was not to prove you wrong, my point was to show that we are BOTH bailing out the same leaky boat. Many of us have fought against this for years and just reached the point where we are tired of beating the same horse. Congress (leftists) are married to their Ponzi scheme and will allow NOTHING to change it. If you have suggestions or ideas to improve SS (other than just getting rid of it), offer them up.
115 posted on 07/26/2006 12:55:08 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Very good point about not painting everyone with a broad brush as not all people of that generation fell for the garbage, I know many who did not. Of course they were ridiculed in society but in the end they were proven right.

I live in a nice area, but I also volunteer in areas where I see the effects of the "me" generation, let it all hang out, etc....people who did buy into what you were saying.

116 posted on 07/26/2006 12:56:29 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: Catholic Canadian
The Boomers have brought us all kinds of wonderful things.....the homosexual revolution, feminism, rampant leftism. Pretty funny when I'm the child of a boomer and have reverted back to family values and conservatism. I suppose it's all cyclical.

So true, their generation will be remembered for those kinds of things, of course, we all realize that not everyone supported those kinds of things. I am just glad I am not part of that generation. Thank God it is all cyclical.

117 posted on 07/26/2006 1:02:19 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: gregwest
I call them "The Last Generation." With few exceptions, they are without God in the world. In the coming years of judgment and hardship, they have nothing from which to draw strength or believe in. If any generation was to slouch towards Armageddon, it's this one. Out of all the kids I've worked with in Church groups for almost 30 years, this generation is the least interested in things like faith and service. Scouting? Forget about it! Sports? Forget about it? All they want is a GameBoy or PSP so they can practice killing someone. Trying to find something that reaches them and motivates them is almost impossible. With almost every need met, they have nothing that they desire, except shopping for new desires. It's a generation in need of want.

Perhaps I run in more sheltered circles, but I do have 2 kids in this age group; and one almost and I just don't see this.

THe kids I know from this generation ( my kid's friends and those in their homeschooling and church group) are just the most upstanding and good people. They're not asking for anything; they see the problems, and they are ready to take them on. Once in church, our pastor had them stand up to receive a church-wide prayer. he Holy Spirit spoke and said that many would try to take them, but that they were HIS generation. That's how I've always thought of them. I think we'll see great things from them.

118 posted on 07/26/2006 1:06:37 PM PDT by Red Boots
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To: Wonder Warthog

Speak fer yerself. I have disagreed with the liberal agenda my entire life (which started in 1947).

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I have pretty much, as well, but there were some stupid concepts that I bought into/went along with as a young adult.

What bothers me most is the legacy of the emotional trauma of divorce that was foisted upon the children of the boomers (my own children included but not by my choice).


119 posted on 07/26/2006 1:07:39 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: Sicon

But then, that seems appropriate for the generation of "sexual liberation"!

***
Eww! Don't lump me in with that group.


120 posted on 07/26/2006 1:08:28 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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