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American Needs Illegal Immigrants
Writing.Com ^ | 072506 | Reason McLucus

Posted on 07/26/2006 1:06:42 PM PDT by kathsua

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To: kathsua
There are currently only 7 million unemployed in the United States for an unemployment rate of about 4%.

There are also 77 million people who are not in the labor force. Many of them may not have actively sought work during the survey period (i.e. stay-at-home parents, older people, students) but would take a good job if it were available.

41 posted on 07/26/2006 2:14:32 PM PDT by AppleButter
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To: 2001convSVT
The author fails to note that if all the illegals where made legal with the stroke of a pen most would be without a job on Monday. This is because the employers who hired them would fire them and hire a new illegal Tuesday.

Excellent point. Our county paid a nonprofit to run a day laborer center to keep the illegals from loitering at the 7-11. Did it work? Nope. The nonprofit wanted the employers to register and promise to actually pay the workers, and provide decent wages and safe conditions at that. The 7-11 is just a block from the nonprofit's center, but that's still where everyone goes for workers.

Let's get real -- if an employer wanted to pay decent wages and provide safe working conditions, he'd hire an American.

42 posted on 07/26/2006 2:18:43 PM PDT by AppleButter
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To: kathsua
Where is that picture of the guy beating the dead horse. 80% of Americans totally disagree with the authors premise.
43 posted on 07/26/2006 2:33:53 PM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

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44 posted on 07/26/2006 2:34:55 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Texas_Jarhead
"Glad to see the "illegal immigration is no worse than speeding" argument once again trotted out."

Yes, a golden oldie often used by the quislings in tandem with the "illegal aliens are merely doing the jobs Americans won't do" evergreen.

45 posted on 07/26/2006 2:45:23 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: kathsua

Gee, seems we did pretty good before they came.if they leave then the strain on govt services and hospitals goes with them. they are here ileagaly get it?


46 posted on 07/26/2006 2:58:00 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: kathsua

Gee, seems we did pretty good before they came.if they leave then the strain on govt services and hospitals goes with them. they are here ileagaly get it?


47 posted on 07/26/2006 3:00:16 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: kathsua

Immigrants do enhance our american culture. ILLEGAL ALIENS, on the other hand, cost taxpayers large sums of money and most have no intention of being productive, legal members of our society.


48 posted on 07/26/2006 3:12:46 PM PDT by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: kathsua
All these immigrants are clearly needed and valuable... in their home country. They need to return to the homeland they have abandoned, and try to reform it, to improve it, to recreate what they have seen here. Otherwise, they are simply acting as rats, leaving a sinking ship, abandoning their culture, heritage, and even language. Spanglish is not the language of Mexico, but it will become the language of the illegal population of the U.S., if it becomes entrenched and creates a balkanized subculture and underclass. Is that what they want? That's what they are creating.
49 posted on 07/26/2006 4:48:12 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: KarlInOhio

The concept of "cheap" agricultural labor is a dead-end, anyway.

Rather than using capital investment in machinery and innovation, that farmer will rely on low-productivity manual labor as long as it is available.

The author's general point that we "need" all this manual labor is only true up to a point. Capital investment and innovation can permanently remove the need for those jobs. Replacing them with fewer jobs that require more skill, and pay better. Why should we encourage the perpetuation of jobs that require no skill and no education ? Are those workers ever again going to be people we want to attract to our society ?

Maybe in the last century America still had a place for that class of worker, but in today's America they can only become a permanent underclass that will fester with envy for a standard of living they can never have. Legalizing them will only feed their anger as they DEMAND a standard of living that unskilled labor cannot earn.


50 posted on 07/26/2006 5:06:12 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --Will Rogers)
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To: kathsua

straw man alert....


52 posted on 07/26/2006 7:26:46 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: kathsua

This author is a traitor of the first order.


53 posted on 07/26/2006 8:54:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Taglines for sale or rent. Good "one liners", 50 cents.)
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To: TDBGB

THE BIG LIE! 85% of these jobs are currently done by Americans.


54 posted on 07/26/2006 8:55:41 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Taglines for sale or rent. Good "one liners", 50 cents.)
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To: kathsua
There is something wrong with an immigration law that allows people to enter the country legally to learn how to kill Americans by flying planes into buildings, but stops those who only want to enter the U.S. to work to support their families.

But the author misses a few important points.

1) The mostly Saudi terrorists were in fact Illegal. Their visas had expired, thus making them ILLEGAL ALIENS.

2) Illegals in this country kill 25 people per day. 12 by murder 13 by drunk driving.

3) If I break into your house, steal your wife's jewelery and run out back and save your kid from drowning in a pool, does that mean I still didn't break the law ?

4) Illegals cost the taxpayers over 150 Billion dollars a year in services/school/welfare.

5) Illegals send over 20 Billion dollars a year back to mexico every year, doing nothing for the US economy.

The facts against illegals are STAGGERING, yet the ridiculous "poor downtrodden" argument is constantly dragged out. Perhaps if the author would like to help the mexicans he/she can divest themselves of everything they own and send it to mexico -- and STOP MAKING ME PAY FOR HIS/HER CONVICTIONS.
55 posted on 07/27/2006 7:28:17 AM PDT by lost_sovereignty
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To: kathsua

"Those who are overly upset by the fact that millions of illegal immigrants are in the country need to consider two facts. Immigrants have traditionally played an important role in the U.S. economy and will be even more important in the future. Americans are not the most law abiding people. Americans have even been known to venerate lawbreakers."

The author is a #$@#$ing moron who's just repeating the Left's mantra.

Yes, this country was built by immigrants. LEGAL immigrants.

There is a widespread effort by the Left to make illegal=legal, and I'm getting tired of it. It's a crucial distinction, and one that they want to gloss over.

As for rationalizing that we're not law abiding, words fail me. So, just because Americans break laws, then whoohoo, all law is meaningless, and we can all do what we want?

The author is an utter dolt. I won't even go further, I've seen better writing in Middle School school student-written newspapers.


56 posted on 07/27/2006 7:37:20 AM PDT by ByDesign
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To: TDBGB

More recently, the California Tomato growers claimed the same thing. Back in the 50's there was the "braceros" program which was a guest worker program for agricultural workers. Tomato growers claimed Congress' ending the braceros program would wipe out 85% of the growers. Instead, over less than a decade, they found ways to eliminate 80% of the manual labor involved in tomato growing, and production was far higher than it had been with the braceros.

It is really fear of committing capital that causes farmers to rely on cheap labor. The same is true in the hotel industry. They could cut their maid staffs drastically with robotic vacuum cleaners, more automated laundry facilities, etc. They just prefer the flexibility that delaying capital investment gives them. You can fire a bunch of illegal workers if business slows, but the bills for borrowed capital will come every month. If they had confidence in their business, they'd save money in the long run.


57 posted on 07/27/2006 10:47:47 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. --Will Rogers)
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To: American Quilter

What a crude, inept little essay. Is there a decent editor crossing the border to help Reason?


58 posted on 07/27/2006 10:51:20 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: fireforeffect
The people that want to hire illegal immigrants are the same type of people who apologized for slavery or would have used Jews from concentration camps in Germany. No difference.

I agree.

They also would have been in the crowd of capitalists that Jesus drove from the temple with a whip.

59 posted on 07/27/2006 10:53:54 AM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: ByDesign

This whole illegal immigrant amnesty movement is part of a movement to make America a socialist country. Anybody willing to make a bet it isn't?


60 posted on 07/31/2006 11:26:58 AM PDT by Edie
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