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Posted on 07/26/2006 1:11:31 PM PDT by blam

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To: NC28203
Keep in mind that archaeology is an international discipline. For many of the people doing this research, Jesus is not the Christ and not their Lord.

No, those people would not acknowledge Jesus as the Christ and bright morning star.

Riddle me this: what the heck is the common era? Truth is, they are still using the time of Christ's birth (well, off by four years, but who's counting?) as the baseline for their computations. Nothing has been changed, its just a PC PR move to obscure the truth and drive Christianity out of the mainstream.

101 posted on 07/28/2006 7:51:07 AM PDT by Seņor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Seņor Zorro

>>>Riddle me this: what the heck is the common era? Truth is, they are still using the time of Christ's birth (well, off by four years, but who's counting?) as the baseline for their computations. Nothing has been changed, its just a PC PR move to obscure the truth and drive Christianity out of the mainstream.

The common era is using the supposed birth date of Jesus as its base. However, it leaves the question of his divinity (Christ/Messiah/Annointed One) out of the issue. Do you think that Jewish scholars working with israeli antiquities should have to use Before Christ in dating items when they do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah?


102 posted on 07/28/2006 7:59:34 AM PDT by NC28203
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To: press one for english
"Jomon had Sundadont teeth as well, but most modern Japanese have Sinodonty."

Thanks, I didn't know that about the Jomon. I've read that Jomon 'like' cord-marked pottery has been found in Olmec sites in Mexico.

I found this to be an interesting book, you may also:

The Zuni Enigma

"The peaceful Zuni of New Mexico and Arizona are much studied, partly because their language, culture and physical appearance set them apart from other Native American peoples. Davis, an anthropologist who has made 10 visits to the Zuni pueblo, now offers the startling thesis that a group of Japanese Buddhists left earthquake-wracked medieval Japan and came by ship to the Southern California coast, eventually migrating inland to the Zuni territory, where they merged their culture and genes with Native Americans to produce the modern Zuni people around A.D. 1350.
Davis uses "forensic" evidence--including analyses of dental morphology, blood and skeletal remains--to support a Japanese-Zuni connection.
Further, she notes the Zuni's exceptionally high incidence of a specific kidney disease that is also unusually common in Japan. Yet she acknowledges there have been no DNA studies to confirm or refute her hypothesis, and she has not turned up a single 13th-century Japanese item in North America.
Her bold, highly speculative theory gets a boost from some cultural parallels, including striking similarities between the Zuni and Japanese languages; between the Zuni "sacred rosette" found on robes and pottery and the Japanese Buddhist chrysanthemum symbol (presently Japan's imperial crest).
A Zuni mid-January ceremony with masked monsters, aimed at frightening children into proper behavior, is almost identical to one in Japan. Davis's broader thesis that the Pacific was a "liquid highway" mounts a serious challenge to the entrenched idea of the peopling of the Americas solely via the Bering Strait land bridge.
Open-minded readers will enjoy her beautifully written book as an opportunity to ponder our shared humanity. "

103 posted on 07/28/2006 9:39:58 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Ping for me for later!


104 posted on 07/28/2006 9:43:14 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (There's an open road from the cradle to the tomb.)
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To: press one for english
"The Japanese royal family looks nothing like the Ainu."

I remember something that anthropologist Marvin Harris (bless his soul) wrote years ago that didn't make any sense to me until I read the C Loring Brace piece. Marvin said that the Japanese custom of 'white-face' is an attempt to emulate the royals. So...Marvin must have had a similar belief about the Japanese royals.

105 posted on 07/28/2006 9:54:00 AM PDT by blam
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To: NC28203
The common era is using the supposed birth date of Jesus as its base. However, it leaves the question of his divinity (Christ/Messiah/Annointed One) out of the issue.

Not hardly. If Jesus is not the Messiah, then there is no reason to use his birth as a baseline for anything. The use of his birth as a divider in history is an implicit acknowledgement that the world was permanently altered by the birth of Jesus and in a way that is totally and completely unique.

One might argue that the founding of Christianity, whether it is true or not, could count as it has had a profound affect on the entire planet. I would point out that, if Christianity is false, then Buddha and Muhammed have just has much right as Jesus, but no one uses them. Why? Because, that is not the reason the year was used. It is used because Jesus is The Christ and that his birth, life, death, and resurrection sanctified many were else there would have been none.

"Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God" (John 1:12-13)

Do you think that Jewish scholars working with israeli antiquities should have to use Before Christ in dating items when they do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah?

If they are going to do it anyway, then call a spade a spade.

106 posted on 07/28/2006 10:34:07 AM PDT by Seņor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: press one for english

109 posted on 07/28/2006 3:31:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: Marius3188
Ping!
110 posted on 08/27/2006 8:30:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NC28203
"Do you object to physicists and chemists using the metric system?

Use any system you want but never forget that the other guy might have a different interpretation of your "common system".

As far as tooling and things mechanical are concerned, frankly, I do have a problem.
I've once again been reminded that "X millimeter" in china is not the same as "X" millimeter in France, which is not the same as "X" millimeter in the UK, and so on...

When I bought a British bike back in the seventies and found the tools to be color coded, I began to have second thoughts, several thoughts later, I'm still not convinced.

The lock I was working on got returned to Lowe's along with the non-compatible hex screw and installation tool provided with it.
The current rush to outsource, or internationalize production, only underlines the problem.

Oh and "BCE" refers to 'Before Common or Current Era" the formal definition does not recognize Christ or Christianity as the source of distinction.

111 posted on 09/25/2006 4:20:04 PM PDT by norton
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I would be very interested in DNA tests for those who may be of direct decendants of these people, the Tocharians.
I myself sharew tge name (Tocher) as my sir name.
My ancestors who carried the name originated from Scotland, however the name (Tocher) and it's many variations are from many European countries as well as Hungary, etc.

The name (Tocher) itself is as ancient as the Celtic people and exists within the old language and is still used today in the Gealic tongue.

I have a strong beleif based stories past on and the roots themselves to beleive that there is a direct connection.

If there is anyone who wishes to explore this interesting possibility, I would like to hear from you.


112 posted on 12/13/2006 11:16:28 PM PST by tocher (a Tocharian indeed...)
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To: csvset

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113 posted on 01/10/2007 10:54:29 PM PST by csvset
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To: SunkenCiv
Genetic Testing Reveals Awkard Truth About Xinjiang's Famous (Red-Headed) Mummies
114 posted on 11/18/2007 7:49:31 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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Mammoth Hunters’ Camp Site Found In Russia’s Far East (15KYA)
Novosti | 11-12-2007
Posted on 11/13/2007 5:48:56 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1925275/posts

Ten years or hundreds of years? Riddle over when ‘fresh’ mummy was buried
The Daily Mail (UK) | 15th November 2007 | DAVID DERBYSHIRE
Posted on 11/15/2007 7:59:46 PM EST by fanfan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1926469/posts

Chinese Scientists Conclude Wushan Man Is Oldest Human Fossil In China
All Headlines News | 11-16-2007 | Windsor Genova
Posted on 11/16/2007 2:03:36 PM EST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926818/posts


115 posted on 11/18/2007 7:56:41 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
China history unravelled by mummies

aljazeera.net, 15 May 2006

116 posted on 11/18/2007 7:57:41 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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117 posted on 11/18/2007 7:57:46 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
The Romakas was a colony of the Romans near the port of Barbaricum in Sindhu Delta

118 posted on 11/18/2007 7:59:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
Genetic testing reveals awkward truth about Xinjiang’s famous mummies (Caucasian)
119 posted on 11/18/2007 8:03:01 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: canoe drummer

[gee, what a surprise]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1672757/posts?page=32#32

http://www.freerepublic.com/~canoedrummer/

This account has been banned or suspended.


120 posted on 11/18/2007 8:05:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
DNA sequence data[2] shows that at least one mummy had a haplotype characteristic of western Eurasia, confirming the earlier suggestion that the mummies are of at least partial West Asian descent.

I'll buy brunch if you can tell me what is the haplotype they refer to in this article. I'm sure it's out 'there', I just can't find it.

121 posted on 11/18/2007 8:07:54 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
Sorry. When I reach the "BCE" and the "CE" I stop reading under the presumption of an agenda driven analysis.

122 posted on 11/18/2007 8:11:16 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: blam
"He's Not One Of Us"
123 posted on 11/18/2007 8:24:23 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: William Terrell
"Sorry. When I reach the "BCE" and the "CE" I stop reading under the presumption of an agenda driven analysis. "

Okay. I'll make note of that in my files beside your name. Ahem, "Does not like BCE or CE."

124 posted on 11/18/2007 8:26:51 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

bump


125 posted on 11/18/2007 8:42:48 AM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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To: blam
Files? Name?

126 posted on 11/18/2007 9:15:15 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
"Files? Name? "

It was meant to be funny.

127 posted on 11/18/2007 9:26:48 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam
Oh. I was prepared to be flattered.

128 posted on 11/18/2007 10:05:49 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: blam

I think that haplotype was first identified in “They’ll Do It Every Time”, in the Haplo’s History sidebar. ;’) IOW, brunch will remain dutch treat.


129 posted on 11/19/2007 7:30:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: canoe drummer

Wella hair color has always worked wonders.


130 posted on 07/25/2011 9:01:09 AM PDT by x_plus_one (Obama's legacy: Trashing the North American continent into a third world hell hole.)
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To: Hawthorn
A simpler explanation is that the Indo-European languages can be grouped into two categories, the centum languages and the satem languages, after the word for "100" in Latin and in Avestan. There is a consistent pattern where the K sound in the one group corresponds to the S sound in the other. In the Germanic languages the K became an H sound--so Latin centum, canis and cor correspond to English "hundred," "hound," and "heart."

The Indo-Iranian languages (including Scythian) belong to the satem group (along with the Slavic languages--Russian sto for 100), but the Tocharian languages are centum languages like most of the European languages--they are not closely related to the Indo-European languages nearest them geographically, such as Sanskrit, Scythian, or Persian.

131 posted on 02/08/2013 9:19:54 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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