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State trooper pleads guilty to possessing machine gun
Belleville News-Democrat ^ | Jul. 26, 2006 | ASHLEY TUSAN JOYNER

Posted on 07/26/2006 4:47:07 PM PDT by bad company

Illinois State Police trooper Gregory Mugge pleaded guilty to one charge of possessing an unregistered machine gun in federal court on Tuesday, according to an announcement from the U.S. attorney's office.

Mugge, 52, of Jerseyville, was indicted in January, along with Illinois State Police Sgt. James Vest, 39, of O'Fallon, and John Yard, 36, an Illinois State Police special agent assigned to the Collinsville office, each face separate charges of illegal gun possession.

Mugge faces up to 10 years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000 and a maximum three years of supervised release.

He is scheduled to reappear in court for sentencing on Oct. 27.

On Dec. 29, authorities seized Mugge's unregistered Colt .2234 caliber rifle from his home in Jerseyville. In his plea, Mugge admitted to knowing his possession of the rifle was unlawful.

In February, a group of 12 local police chiefs and sheriffs, and two state senators, Sen. Bill Haine, D-Alton, and Sen. James Watson, R-Greenville, endorsed a letter of support for the three state troopers.

At that time, the backers pushed for administrative punishment for the three troopers rather than prosecution.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 2a; 2ndamendment; automaticrifle; bang; banglist; firearm; leo; m16; machinegun; mg; rifle; rkba; secondamendment
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"In February, a group of 12 local police chiefs and sheriffs, and two state senators, Sen. Bill Haine, D-Alton, and Sen. James Watson, R-Greenville, endorsed a letter of support for the three state troopers."
1 posted on 07/26/2006 4:47:07 PM PDT by bad company
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To: bad company
and two state senators, Sen. Bill Haine, D-Alton, and Sen. James Watson, R-Greenville endorsed a letter of support for the three state troopers."

Why not show a real spine AND CHANGE THE GODDAMN LAW?

Morons.

2 posted on 07/26/2006 4:51:16 PM PDT by IncPen (Bush Iraq Truth WMD http://freedomkeys.com/whyiraq.htm)
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To: bad company
...possessing an unregistered machine gun in federal court...

Good to know that their editors were hard at work...

3 posted on 07/26/2006 4:51:16 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: bad company

Did these State troopers steal money out of my pocket?

Or was it our gun-grabber governor who also grabbed my money?

We need to return to a concept of crimes that have victims being more serious than victimless crimes.


4 posted on 07/26/2006 4:51:32 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Eaker

ping


5 posted on 07/26/2006 4:52:45 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bad company
.2234

.223? Anyone know what sort of rifle he had?
6 posted on 07/26/2006 4:53:17 PM PDT by Boxen (THE SPICE MUST FLOW)
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To: bad company

Was it a rifle or a machine gun? Dumb ass liberal media don't know squat about things they oppose.


7 posted on 07/26/2006 4:53:48 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (New York Times? Get a rope!)
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To: bad company

Ah, the dreaded Colt .2234 caliber rifle...


8 posted on 07/26/2006 4:54:01 PM PDT by 04-Bravo
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To: IncPen
Why not show a real spine AND CHANGE THE GODDAMN LAW?

Because that would allow people not like them (i.e., common, law-abiding citizens) to be able to own things that they feel they alone are entitled to. And we can't have that, you understand.

9 posted on 07/26/2006 4:54:47 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: spintreebob
We need to return to a concept of crimes that have victims being more serious than victimless crimes.

Fat chance. They would have to let tens of thousands out of people out of prison, and shrink the criminal justice industry (cops, courts, lawyers, jails) considerably. Just think of all the jobs it would cost.

10 posted on 07/26/2006 4:54:55 PM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: bad company
In his plea, Mugge admitted to knowing his possession of the rifle was unlawful.

He had it, he knew he had it, he knew it was illegal; and people think the law should be ignored because he's a "Trooper"?!? What other laws can he ignore? We either have laws, or we do not. If we have laws, they are enforced equally across the board; or we have anarchy. I'd say he made a STUPID decision.

11 posted on 07/26/2006 4:55:24 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: 04-Bravo

Almost as dreaded as the mysterious .223456789 caliber rifle, known only to liberal reporters.


12 posted on 07/26/2006 4:55:47 PM PDT by JillValentine (Helen of Troy: Face that launched 1000 ships. Helen Thomas: Face that launched 1000 lunches.)
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To: Boxen

A Colt in .223 - it's a guess, but perhaps it was an AR-15.


13 posted on 07/26/2006 4:56:49 PM PDT by Virulas (Your modern Democratic Party - a cult in search of a personality.)
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To: JillValentine

The caliber of pi.


14 posted on 07/26/2006 4:57:41 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: bad company

Glad to hear that the Illinois boys got tangled up in their own state laws.

The ones they LOVE to enforce.


15 posted on 07/26/2006 4:58:02 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: wyattearp

Somebody needs to calibrate their metal detectors.


16 posted on 07/26/2006 4:58:43 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Boxen
"Colt 2234" should perhaps read "Colt 223 M4". Just a guess.
17 posted on 07/26/2006 4:59:56 PM PDT by R W Reactionairy ("Everyone is entitled to their own opinion ... but not to their own facts" Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: Boxen

EXTREMELY tight tolerances for improved accuracy. Course you have to replace the barrel after every magazine.


18 posted on 07/26/2006 5:00:00 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: randog

There don't appear to be many fully automatic rifles in the inner cities where they're most likely to be used if available, and I have a hard time thinking that's a bad thing.

I'm a member of the NRA and own many guns myself. I'd prefer that fully automatic rifles be highly restricted in this country.


19 posted on 07/26/2006 5:01:06 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: true_blue_texican

How I want a drink, alcoholic of course, after the heavy chapters involving quantum mechanics. One is, yes, adequate even enough to induce some fun and pleasure for an instant, miserably brief.


20 posted on 07/26/2006 5:01:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: wyattearp

"...possessing an unregistered machine gun in federal court...

Good to know that their editors were hard at work"

WOW a machine gun in court. Good thing the judge didn't have a gun or it coulda been a wild west shootout.

lets ignore that machines guns (except gatlin guns) didnt exist in the wild west, or that shootouts didn;t really happen, or that guns dont make people dangerous.


21 posted on 07/26/2006 5:02:37 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: IncPen

State senators cannot change a federal law.


22 posted on 07/26/2006 5:03:32 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: JillValentine

Or the transcendental .31838309886 (1/pi) and .367879441 (1/e) caliber rifles! :-)


23 posted on 07/26/2006 5:03:39 PM PDT by poindexters brother
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To: bad company

I dont have an issue with them having the guns. I have an issue with them getting special treatment. The rest of us would in chains.


24 posted on 07/26/2006 5:04:16 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: poindexters brother

Since that the area under one lobe of the sine curve is 2 units, I opt for the 1/2 calliber rifle. A Barrett will do.


25 posted on 07/26/2006 5:05:12 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: thackney

This is weird.


26 posted on 07/26/2006 5:05:51 PM PDT by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - Travis McGee is my friend. “You’ll never need a gun, until you need it badly.”)
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To: Dog Gone
I'm a member of the NRA and own many guns myself. I'd prefer that fully automatic rifles be highly restricted in this country.

I'm a member of BMW Car Club of America and own many vehicles myself. I'd prefer that high speed cars (that go over 65 MPH) be highly restricted in this country.

Are you seeing the problem in your arguement? Fast cars kill ALOT more people IN ONE DAMN DAY than all illegal machine guns have since 1933.

27 posted on 07/26/2006 5:06:13 PM PDT by DCBryan1 ( HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck! HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck !(Avail. only from Muslims))
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To: Dog Gone

"I'm a member of the NRA and own many guns myself. I'd prefer that fully automatic rifles be highly restricted in this country."

I agree totally. Only sane adults who do not have a criminal record should be allowed to have one.


28 posted on 07/26/2006 5:06:28 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Hodar
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Unlawful, but not unconstitutional?

29 posted on 07/26/2006 5:06:53 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: driftdiver
The rest of us would in chains......

Or be engulfed in flames along with toddlers and children....or having our face blown off while holding a baby standing in a door...or.....oh nevermind....

30 posted on 07/26/2006 5:07:28 PM PDT by DCBryan1 ( HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck! HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck !(Avail. only from Muslims))
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To: driftdiver

Well, I'd also make sure politicans aren't packing. Oh, never mind, I guess you covered that one with the "sane" part.


31 posted on 07/26/2006 5:07:32 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Dog Gone

I'd prefer that fully automatic rifles be highly restricted in this country.



How do you reconcile that with the intent of the 2nd amendment?

Why should the people be barred from having the same types of rifles troopers carry in the standing army (both the military and the militarized law enforcement)?

These are EXACTLY they type of arms the founders intended us to keep and bear.


32 posted on 07/26/2006 5:09:42 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: DCBryan1

"Or be engulfed in flames along with toddlers and children....or having our face blown off while holding a baby standing in a door...or.....oh nevermind..."

Took me a bit but I finally got your reference. I didnt know they had automatic weapons at Ruby Ridge. Thought it was only the shotguns and hunting rifles.


33 posted on 07/26/2006 5:10:57 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Beelzebubba

Read the Miller decision....we have MORE of a right to own military firearms than we do semiautos.....bickering and arguing over the RPM just pisses me off...its the intent, responsibility and accountability that needs to be considered in the laws.


34 posted on 07/26/2006 5:12:12 PM PDT by DCBryan1 ( HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck! HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck !(Avail. only from Muslims))
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To: DCBryan1

No, I don't see the problem with my argument. Perhaps you can further elucidate. I think if illegal, or legal, machine guns were widely available here in the states, we'd see them used far more widely.

They are hard to get, or you have to be a bit of a gunsmith to make the conversion from a kit. Consequently, they're not much a factor in crime here. I think the gangbangers would have them if they could get them. And I'd rather they didn't.


35 posted on 07/26/2006 5:13:12 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: driftdiver

I didnt know they had automatic weapons at Ruby Ridge.



It's not that they were automatic, it's that THEY had EXACTLY what they chose to have.


36 posted on 07/26/2006 5:14:00 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: driftdiver
Ruby Ridge happened because of a NFA Act of 1933 violation...possession of a shotgun only 3/8 of an inch below the stupid federal law.....

Basically, to a BATF agent, your life isnt worth $hit over inconsistancies of fractions of an inch, RPM, and a $200.00 tax.

37 posted on 07/26/2006 5:14:32 PM PDT by DCBryan1 ( HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck! HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck !(Avail. only from Muslims))
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To: Dog Gone

If automatic rifles were banned, I'd be disappointed, since they're fun to shoot and a law banning them would be unconstitutional. However, it's comforting to know that a well-trained, well-disciplined citizen with a semi-automatic weapon is more than a match for an undisciplined thug with an automatic rifle.

BTW, Michael Moore, in his anti-gun film Bowling for Columbine, also claimed to be an NRA member. I think he even claimed to be a life member.


38 posted on 07/26/2006 5:15:19 PM PDT by JillValentine (Helen of Troy: Face that launched 1000 ships. Helen Thomas: Face that launched 1000 lunches.)
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To: TheDon
State senators cannot change a federal law.

True enough, but Illinois has the most asinine and draconian gun restrictions in the country. If these mopes had any courage with their convictions, they'd dump the gun laws and let it be known that in Illinois, the 2nd Amendment is the law of the land, and send nanny-state Governor Blogo down in flames. What a bunch of idiots.

39 posted on 07/26/2006 5:16:34 PM PDT by IncPen (Bush Iraq Truth WMD http://freedomkeys.com/whyiraq.htm)
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To: Dog Gone
I think the gangbangers would have them if they could get them. And I'd rather they didn't.

Infringing my 2nd amendment rights because of something gangbangers might do is a very slippery slope.

Furthermore, if I must have somebody shooting at me, I would rather they spray automatic fire than aim.

40 posted on 07/26/2006 5:20:56 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: JillValentine

He is, i think he paid the dues to the NRA in order to make his film when he "interviewed" Heston.


41 posted on 07/26/2006 5:21:20 PM PDT by pganini
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To: DCBryan1
FYI (Current LEGAL MG retail prices)

...My $30,000.00 investment in 1988 is doing quite nice ;)

42 posted on 07/26/2006 5:21:32 PM PDT by DCBryan1 ( HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck! HeadOFF Apply directly to the neck !(Avail. only from Muslims))
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To: Dog Gone

I'm sure you'd also like to see gangbangers deprieved of semi-automatic weapons. What would you do to reach that goal? Pass a law making them illegal, so law-abiding citizens won't have them but criminals, who buy guns illegally on the black market, will? Or would it make more sense to allow law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, and have severe punishments for anyone who commits a violent crime? Would you like your gun confiscated simply because a criminal used a similar gun to commit a crime?

Think about this logic for semi-automatics, and then apply it to automatics. It works the same way.


43 posted on 07/26/2006 5:21:59 PM PDT by JillValentine (Helen of Troy: Face that launched 1000 ships. Helen Thomas: Face that launched 1000 lunches.)
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To: DCBryan1

It also happened becaues the BATF knew he was dumb and desperate for money. They asked him to cut the barrels off.


44 posted on 07/26/2006 5:23:04 PM PDT by driftdiver
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To: CGTRWK

Well, I'd prefer to aim. But automatic weapons are still fun!


45 posted on 07/26/2006 5:24:03 PM PDT by JillValentine (Helen of Troy: Face that launched 1000 ships. Helen Thomas: Face that launched 1000 lunches.)
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To: Boxen
Anyone know what sort of rifle he had?

It was a deadly .2234 which is notorious for it's ability to kill.

46 posted on 07/26/2006 5:24:53 PM PDT by fso301
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To: TheDon
Unlawful, but not unconstitutional?

I can understand allowing pistols, rifles and shotguns. However, would you prefer some gang-bangers opening fire in your neighborhood with a 12 round 9mm Glock, or a fully automatic weapon?

One could argue that a 'need' for a fully automatic weapon isn't valid. However, I see no problem with the semi-automatics. The present system (Class 3 Federal Firearms Permit) for fully automatic weapons has worked very well since the 1940's.

47 posted on 07/26/2006 5:25:20 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: driftdiver
Only sane adults who do not have a criminal record should be allowed to have one.

How's about Only children, the insane and criminals should be barred from having one?

48 posted on 07/26/2006 5:26:22 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Beelzebubba
How do you reconcile that with the intent of the 2nd amendment?

It's not that hard. The founders intended that the citizens could be armed, and actively encouraged it. But the weapons of the day didn't include WMD. Would they have intended that the 2nd include your right to create and own chemical and biological weapons? A nuke is probably out of your capability, but it if you could buy one from N. Korea, is that fine with the Founders?

What did they intend, indeed? Machine guns weren't invented yet. They certainly wanted the citizens to be able to defend themselves with guns. But machine guns and WMDs aren't easily classified as defensive weapons.

If you're arguing that no line should ever be drawn, I disagree. There are no absolute rights in the Constitution because the rights conflict with others when taken to the extreme. Somewhere that line is drawn, and people will always argue where it should be.

49 posted on 07/26/2006 5:26:54 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Boxen
I'm guessing it's one similar to this; but likely a .223 as I have never heard of a .2234


50 posted on 07/26/2006 5:30:38 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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