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Creating 'human-animals' for research
Organic Consumers Association ^ | Sunday, May 1, 2005 | Organic Consumers Association

Posted on 07/27/2006 10:12:29 AM PDT by budlt2369

Creating 'human-animals' for research

Ethics report endorses mingling human cells with lesser beings Sunday, May 1, 2005 Posted: 0316 GMT (1116 HKT)

RENO, Nevada (AP) -- On a farm about six miles outside this gambling town, Jason Chamberlain looks over a flock of about 50 smelly sheep, many of them possessing partially human livers, hearts, brains and other organs.

The University of Nevada-Reno researcher talks matter-of-factly about his plans to euthanize one of the pregnant sheep in a nearby lab.

He can't wait to examine the effects of the human cells he had injected into the fetus' brain about two months ago.

"It's mice on a large scale," Chamberlain says with a shrug.

As strange as his work may sound, it falls firmly within the new ethics guidelines the influential National Academies issued this past week for stem cell research.

In fact, the Academies' report endorses research that co-mingles human and animal tissue as vital to ensuring that experimental drugs and new tissue replacement therapies are safe for people.

The National Academies -- private, nonprofit agencies chartered by Congress to provide public advice on science and technology -- consist of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Engineering, the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council.

Doctors have transplanted pig valves into human hearts for years, and scientists have injected human cells into lab animals for even longer.

But the biological co-mingling of animal and human is now evolving into even more exotic and unsettling mixes of species, evoking the Greek myth of the monstrous chimera, which was part lion, part goat and part serpent.

In the past two years, scientists have created pigs with human blood, fused rabbit eggs with human DNA and injected human stem cells to make paralyzed mice walk.

Particularly worrisome to some scientists are the nightmare scenarios that could arise from the mixing of brain cells: What if a human mind somehow got trapped inside a sheep's head?

The "idea that human neuronal cells might participate in 'higher order' brain functions in a nonhuman animal, however unlikely that may be, raises concerns that need to be considered," the Academies report warned.

In January, an informal ethics committee at Stanford University endorsed a proposal to create mice with brains nearly completely made of human brain cells.

Stem cell scientist Irving Weissman said his experiment could provide unparalleled insight into how the human brain develops and how degenerative brain diseases like Parkinson's progress.

Stanford law professor Hank Greely, who chaired the ethics committee, said the board was satisfied that the size and shape of the mouse brain would prevent the human cells from creating any traits of humanity.

Just in case, Greely said, the committee recommended closely monitoring the mice's behavior and immediately killing any that display human-like behavior.

The Academies' report recommends that each institution involved in stem cell research create a formal, standing committee to specifically oversee the work, including experiments that mix human and animal cells.

Weissman, who has already created mice with 1 percent human brain cells, said he has no immediate plans to make mostly human mouse brains, but wanted to get ethical clearance in any case.

A formal Stanford committee that oversees research at the university would also need to authorize the experiment.

Living factories Few human-animal hybrids are as advanced as the sheep created by another stem cell scientist, Esmail Zanjani, and his team at the University of Nevada-Reno.

They want to one day turn sheep into living factories for human organs and tissues and along the way create cutting-edge lab animals to more effectively test experimental drugs.

Zanjani is most optimistic about the sheep that grow partially human livers after human stem cells are injected into them while they are still in the womb.

Most of the adult sheep in his experiment contain about 10 percent human liver cells, though a few have as much as 40 percent, Zanjani said.

Because the human liver regenerates, the research raises the possibility of transplanting partial organs into people whose livers are failing.

Zanjani must first ensure no animal diseases would be passed on to patients.

He also must find an efficient way to completely separate the human and sheep cells, a tough task because the human cells aren't clumped together but are rather spread throughout the sheep's liver.

Zanjani and other stem cell scientists defend their research and insist they aren't creating monsters -- or anything remotely human.

"We haven't seen them act as anything but sheep," Zanjani said.

Zanjani's goals are many years from being realized.

He's also had trouble raising funds, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture is investigating the university over allegations made by another researcher that the school mishandled its research sheep.

Zanjani declined to comment on that matter, and university officials have stood by their practices.

Ethical boundaries Allegations about the proper treatment of lab animals may take on strange new meanings as scientists work their way up the evolutionary chart.

Human stem cells have been injected into mice and now sheep. Such research blurs biological divisions between species that couldn't until now be breached.

Drawing ethical boundaries that no research appears to have crossed yet, the National Academies recommend a prohibition on mixing human stem cells with embryos from monkeys and other primates.

But even that policy recommendation isn't tough enough for some researchers.

"The boundary is going to push further into larger animals," New York Medical College professor Stuart Newman said. "That's just asking for trouble."

Newman and anti-biotechnology activist Jeremy Rifkin have been tracking this issue for the last decade and were behind a rather creative assault on both interspecies mixing and the government's policy of patenting individual human genes and other living matter.

Years ago, the two applied for a patent for what they called a "humanzee," a hypothetical -- but very possible -- creation that was half human and chimp.

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office finally denied their application this year, ruling that the proposed invention was too human: Constitutional prohibitions against slavery prevent the patenting of people.

Newman and Rifkin were delighted, since they never intended to create the creature and instead wanted to use their application to protest what they see as science and commerce turning people into commodities.

And that's a point, Newman warns, that stem scientists are edging closer to every day: "Once you are on the slope, you tend to move down it."

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Animal-Human Hybrids Spark Controversy Maryann Mott National Geographic News

January 25, 2005 Scientists have begun blurring the line between human and animal by producing chimeras—a hybrid creature that's part human, part animal.

Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created. They were allowed to develop for several days in a laboratory dish before the scientists destroyed the embryos to harvest their stem cells.

In Minnesota last year researchers at the Mayo Clinic created pigs with human blood flowing through their bodies.

And at Stanford University in California an experiment might be done later this year to create mice with human brains.

Scientists feel that, the more humanlike the animal, the better research model it makes for testing drugs or possibly growing "spare parts," such as livers, to transplant into humans.

Watching how human cells mature and interact in a living creature may also lead to the discoveries of new medical treatments.

But creating human-animal chimeras—named after a monster in Greek mythology that had a lion's head, goat's body, and serpent's tail—has raised troubling questions: What new subhuman combination should be produced and for what purpose? At what point would it be considered human? And what rights, if any, should it have?

There are currently no U.S. federal laws that address these issues.

Ethical Guidelines

The National Academy of Sciences, which advises the U.S. government, has been studying the issue. In March it plans to present voluntary ethical guidelines for researchers.

A chimera is a mixture of two or more species in one body. Not all are considered troubling, though.

For example, faulty human heart valves are routinely replaced with ones taken from cows and pigs. The surgery—which makes the recipient a human-animal chimera—is widely accepted. And for years scientists have added human genes to bacteria and farm animals.

What's caused the uproar is the mixing of human stem cells with embryonic animals to create new species.

Biotechnology activist Jeremy Rifkin is opposed to crossing species boundaries, because he believes animals have the right to exist without being tampered with or crossed with another species.

He concedes that these studies would lead to some medical breakthroughs. Still, they should not be done.

"There are other ways to advance medicine and human health besides going out into the strange, brave new world of chimeric animals," Rifkin said, adding that sophisticated computer models can substitute for experimentation on live animals.

"One doesn't have to be religious or into animal rights to think this doesn't make sense," he continued. "It's the scientists who want to do this. They've now gone over the edge into the pathological domain."

David Magnus, director of the Stanford Center for Biomedical Ethics at Stanford University, believes the real worry is whether or not chimeras will be put to uses that are problematic, risky, or dangerous.

Human Born to Mice Parents?

For example, an experiment that would raise concerns, he said, is genetically engineering mice to produce human sperm and eggs, then doing in vitro fertilization to produce a child whose parents are a pair of mice.

"Most people would find that problematic," Magnus said, "but those uses are bizarre and not, to the best of my knowledge, anything that anybody is remotely contemplating. Most uses of chimeras are actually much more relevant to practical concerns."

Last year Canada passed the Assisted Human Reproduction Act, which bans chimeras. Specifically, it prohibits transferring a nonhuman cell into a human embryo and putting human cells into a nonhuman embryo.

Cynthia Cohen is a member of Canada's Stem Cell Oversight Committee, which oversees research protocols to ensure they are in accordance with the new guidelines.

She believes a ban should also be put into place in the U.S.

Creating chimeras, she said, by mixing human and animal gametes (sperms and eggs) or transferring reproductive cells, diminishes human dignity.

"It would deny that there is something distinctive and valuable about human beings that ought to be honored and protected," said Cohen, who is also the senior research fellow at Georgetown University's Kennedy Institute of Ethics in Washington, D.C.

But, she noted, the wording on such a ban needs to be developed carefully. It shouldn't outlaw ethical and legitimate experiments—such as transferring a limited number of adult human stem cells into animal embryos in order to learn how they proliferate and grow during the prenatal period.

Irv Weissman, director of Stanford University's Institute of Cancer/Stem Cell Biology and Medicine in California, is against a ban in the United States.

"Anybody who puts their own moral guidance in the way of this biomedical science, where they want to impose their will—not just be part of an argument—if that leads to a ban or moratorium. … they are stopping research that would save human lives," he said.

Mice With Human Brains

Weissman has already created mice with brains that are about one percent human.

Later this year he may conduct another experiment where the mice have 100 percent human brains. This would be done, he said, by injecting human neurons into the brains of embryonic mice.

Before being born, the mice would be killed and dissected to see if the architecture of a human brain had formed. If it did, he'd look for traces of human cognitive behavior.

Weissman said he's not a mad scientist trying to create a human in an animal body. He hopes the experiment leads to a better understanding of how the brain works, which would be useful in treating diseases like Alzheimer's or Parkinson's disease.

The test has not yet begun. Weissman is waiting to read the National Academy's report, due out in March.

William Cheshire, associate professor of neurology at the Mayo Clinic's Jacksonville, Florida, branch, feels that combining human and animal neurons is problematic.

"This is unexplored biologic territory," he said. "Whatever moral threshold of human neural development we might choose to set as the limit for such an experiment, there would be a considerable risk of exceeding that limit before it could be recognized."

Cheshire supports research that combines human and animal cells to study cellular function. As an undergraduate he participated in research that fused human and mouse cells.

But where he draws the ethical line is on research that would destroy a human embryo to obtain cells, or research that would create an organism that is partly human and partly animal.

"We must be cautious not to violate the integrity of humanity or of animal life over which we have a stewardship responsibility," said Cheshire, a member of Christian Medical and Dental Associations. "Research projects that create human-animal chimeras risk disturbing fragile ecosystems, endanger health, and affront species integrity."


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1 posted on 07/27/2006 10:12:31 AM PDT by budlt2369
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To: budlt2369

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Not this.

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2 posted on 07/27/2006 10:14:39 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: budlt2369

Is this disturbing or is it just me?


3 posted on 07/27/2006 10:15:28 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I eat pigs for breakfast.)
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To: budlt2369
What if a human mind somehow got trapped inside a sheep's head?

Howard Dean? Is that you?

4 posted on 07/27/2006 10:17:52 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: budlt2369
Is this disturbing or is it just me?

I don't see how they've done anything wrong yet, but I do see the potential for a moral "gray area" here. It certainly could become disturbing.

5 posted on 07/27/2006 10:19:09 AM PDT by Quark2005 ("Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs." -Matthew 7:6)
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To: budlt2369

"What is the law?"


6 posted on 07/27/2006 10:19:34 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: budlt2369

This sounds like a very slippery slope to start down. It says in the article that the scientists are under orders to kill anything that starts displaying human qualities.


7 posted on 07/27/2006 10:19:45 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: budlt2369
Is this disturbing or is it just me?

It's not just you. I think that it's sick.
8 posted on 07/27/2006 10:20:37 AM PDT by mrsmel (Men possess talent. Genius possesses men. Chocolate cravings possess women.)
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To: budlt2369

9 posted on 07/27/2006 10:21:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("He hits me, he cries, he runs to the court and sues me.")
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To: yellowdoghunter

Human qualitites... In another decade, if this continues, the humanimals may start fighting back.


10 posted on 07/27/2006 10:22:02 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: budlt2369

Paging Dr. Moreau...


11 posted on 07/27/2006 10:22:11 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: budlt2369

Very disturbing.

I don't like "wierd science".


12 posted on 07/27/2006 10:23:33 AM PDT by npg
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To: budlt2369

The whole idea is sooo grotesque.


13 posted on 07/27/2006 10:23:59 AM PDT by madison10
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To: budlt2369

Yes it is disturbing. But it isn't a real danger.

DNA isn't exactly mix and match. The worst case scenario of transferring human intellect to an animal species is most likely if we mess with primate genomes, and even then - it wouldn't be easy.

It is easy enough to transfer the ability to produce a human protein, or collection of proteins. It is extremely difficult with today's knowledge to alter the development of entire organs, without causing the death of the animal.

The reason for that difficulty is that while we may have access to the DNA blueprints, we don't understand the mechanisms in which those blueprints are translated into development of differentiated cells, let alone how complete organs are formed from that blueprint.


14 posted on 07/27/2006 10:25:14 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Admin Moderator

Just a note that I think it is confusing, especially to new posters, that "News/Activism" is always listed together as if it's one topic, "News and Activism."

I think it also comes up as "News/Activism" (i.e., apparently as "one" topic) when a poster clicks on the "choose one" topic button while posting an article.

It's easy to be confused by this, methinks.


15 posted on 07/27/2006 10:25:59 AM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: madison10

But they are doing it for the good of humanimality!


16 posted on 07/27/2006 10:27:18 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I eat pigs for breakfast.)
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To: budlt2369

"a flock of about 50 smelly sheep"

I have always prefered my sheep deoderized.


17 posted on 07/27/2006 10:28:34 AM PDT by Lee Heggy123 (Two million sperm and you were the fastest?)
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To: Oratam

"What is the law?"


Slavery of humans is not legal. So if a lion crosses with a human and makes a liman, its ok to drink its blood but not to eat it???


18 posted on 07/27/2006 10:29:23 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I eat pigs for breakfast.)
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To: snowrip
"the humanimals may start fighting back."


19 posted on 07/27/2006 10:30:38 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: wouldntbprudent

I am a virgin. Sorry.


20 posted on 07/27/2006 10:31:10 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I eat pigs for breakfast.)
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To: snowrip

I can see in 50 years, you need to have your wife to be checked for pure human DNA, just to make sure...

...or to get a job at a big corporation... hehe

Reminds of the time in Germany...


21 posted on 07/27/2006 10:32:13 AM PDT by observer5 ("Better violate the rights of a few sometimes, than of all always!!)
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To: budlt2369
I'm reminded of something C.S. Lewis wrote, which was quoted in an article from Hillsdale College's Imprimis Journal:

We do not, look at trees either as Dryads or as beautiful objects while we cut them into beams: the first man who did so may have felt the price keenly, and the bleeding trees in Virgil and Spenser may be far-off echoes of that primeval sense of impiety.... Every conquest over Nature increases her domain. The stars do not become Nature till we weigh and measure them: the soul does not become Nature till we can psychoanalyze her. The wresting of powers from Nature is also the surrendering of things to Nature. As long as this process stops short of the final stage we may well hold that the gain outweighs the loss. But as soon as we take the final step of reducing our own species to the level of mere Nature, the whole process is stultified, for this time the being who stood to gain and the being who has been sacrificed are one and the same.
-C. S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

The whole article, entitled "C.S. Lewis on Moral Education" is from the October 2005 issue of Imprimis, published by Hillsdale College. It has a section aptly called "Man, Nature and Biotechnology" and you can read the entire article here:

C. S. Lewis on Moral Education

22 posted on 07/27/2006 10:32:13 AM PDT by Crolis ("Good fences make good neighbors.", Robert Frost)
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To: budlt2369

This is kind of scary....


23 posted on 07/27/2006 10:32:18 AM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: budlt2369

Humanimal, the other other white meat.


24 posted on 07/27/2006 10:32:38 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I eat pigs for breakfast.)
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To: budlt2369

paging Dr. Moreau


25 posted on 07/27/2006 10:32:40 AM PDT by CAPTAINSUPERMARVELMAN
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To: Quark2005
I don't see how they've done anything wrong yet, but I do see the potential for a moral "gray area" here.

And there's a moral principle that says we should air on the side of caution when in doubt.

Regardless, I thought that some human-animal hybrids or chimeras have been created, at least at the embryonic level, and then destroyed before being allowed to develop. Just going on memory here.

It's a ghoulish new world.

26 posted on 07/27/2006 10:33:52 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Oratam
"Not to go on all-fours; that is the Law."
"Not to suck up Drink; that is the Law."
"Not to eat Fish or Flesh; that is the Law."
"Not to claw the Bark of Trees; that is the Law."
"Not to chase other Men; that is the Law."
27 posted on 07/27/2006 10:34:41 AM PDT by trickyricky
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To: budlt2369

This sort of work does not necessarily take a human life to do.


28 posted on 07/27/2006 10:35:18 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: coconutt2000
What if a human mind somehow got trapped inside a sheep's head?

That would be real baaaad

29 posted on 07/27/2006 10:37:46 AM PDT by clamper1797 (CAPITAL LETTERS SUGGEST SOME IMBALANCE IN THE MIND OF THEIR EMPLOYER.)
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To: budlt2369

Howard Dean's newest iniative to increase the ranks of Demon-Rat Voters. Of course,he reserves the right to abort them.


30 posted on 07/27/2006 10:38:09 AM PDT by Calusa (Did the Founders really intend schools to be a wonderland for sexual predators?)
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To: jjm2111

When are the solar flares going to knock out the grids?


31 posted on 07/27/2006 10:38:37 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I tried to warn them about Peter Singer, but they wouldn't listen.)
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To: budlt2369
"What is the law?"

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Not to go on All-Fours; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to suck up Drink; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to eat Fish or Flesh; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to claw the Bark of Trees; that is the Law. Are we not men?

Not to chase other Men; that is the Law. Are we not men?

32 posted on 07/27/2006 10:39:49 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: budlt2369

I'm all for scientific advances and new medical discoveries, but the ethics of this bothers me.

I'm no PETA guy, I think animals and earth's resources were put there for human use. At the same time, blurring the line between people and animals could lead to some ethical issues. If it's bad to clone humans for parts (I agree), what if we make a sentient half human animal? Will that be a co equal species on earth or is it fair to harvest it for parts? Bigger and brighter minds than mine should think on this before it happens in the laboratory.


33 posted on 07/27/2006 10:41:10 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: yellowdoghunter

'scientists are under orders to kill anything that starts displaying human qualities'

No confidence on them doing that. They let Cindy Sheehan slip thru.


34 posted on 07/27/2006 10:42:11 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: Calusa

If you put a human brain into a dolphin would it be stupid?


35 posted on 07/27/2006 10:43:15 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I tried to warn them about Peter Singer, but they wouldn't listen.)
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To: RicocheT
I'm no PETA guy either but I am against cloning animals and humans and humanimals.
36 posted on 07/27/2006 10:45:44 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I tried to warn them about Peter Singer, but they wouldn't listen.)
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To: budlt2369

Sounds like a really excellent way to create crossover diseases between humans and the animals who've been "treated" this way.


37 posted on 07/27/2006 10:45:45 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Westlander
No confidence on them doing that. They let Cindy Sheehan slip thru.

LOL!

I agree though, I don't trust all scientists to abide by the rules, as there are always a few who will do the opposite.

Also, I am afraid I will really begin to believe the end times were near if I ever started to see a sheep act like a human! I am sorry, but that would really freak me out!

38 posted on 07/27/2006 10:47:23 AM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: Oratam
"I am the Law!!"

39 posted on 07/27/2006 10:50:07 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: coconutt2000
Yes it is disturbing. But it isn't a real danger.

It's a good way to create crossover diseases ... which I think you'll agree is dangerous.

A corollary to the process might be the human->duck->pig->human cycle that causes China to be the point of origin for most new flu strains.

40 posted on 07/27/2006 10:52:10 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: yellowdoghunter

Anyone seen "fight club" or "escape from L.A."?


41 posted on 07/27/2006 10:53:01 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I tried to warn them about Peter Singer, but they wouldn't listen.)
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To: budlt2369

MANBEARPIG!!!

42 posted on 07/27/2006 10:53:37 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I gigged your peace frog.)
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To: All

judge dred sucks. demolition man is funny.


43 posted on 07/27/2006 10:54:49 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I tried to warn them about Peter Singer, but they wouldn't listen.)
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To: Oratam
Are we not men?

"We are DEVO!"

44 posted on 07/27/2006 10:57:02 AM PDT by martin gibson ("I care not what course others may take, but as for myself, give me Ralph Stanley or give me death")
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To: martin gibson
"Creating 'human-animals' for research" I thought scientist didn't believe in creation? Why don't they mix ash, water, and dirt, then watch as humanimals evolve spontaneously?
45 posted on 07/27/2006 11:01:55 AM PDT by budlt2369 (I tried to warn them about Peter Singer, but they wouldn't listen.)
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To: r9etb
It's a good way to create crossover diseases ... which I think you'll agree is dangerous.

Maybe. I can see your reasoning, and I can picture the scenario acting out; but I don't see it as being very likely.

Personally, I'd like this kind of experimentation to stop. I've made the same argument for limitations on embryonic stem cell research, and I make it here as well. The current state of genetic research is so infantile that messing with human DNA to the degree some scientists are doing is crazy. They should be experimenting with animal DNA in most of these cases, so they can get a grip on the science and mechanisms involved. As it is, they're shooting blind with snippets of human DNA hoping they'll hit the jackpot.

46 posted on 07/27/2006 11:04:56 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: clamper1797

Interesting though.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~pwitteve/hybrid.htm


47 posted on 07/27/2006 11:05:27 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: budlt2369

Where is the Robert J. Oppenheimer of the stem-cell/human cloning/abortion DUmmies. IIRC even though "Oppie" had delivered two functioning atomic bombs to Gen. Leslie Groves. He understood how wrong it was to use them, and was opposed to their deployment. These amoral progressives today have to know the evil they are about to unleash, but they don't care.
Hubris, Atey, self-aggrandizement, who knows? Besides a DUmmie can always reverse field on a dime. 20 years from now the same DUmmies and their children in their antique chartreuse VWs will be protesting the evil corporations and the satanic government that unleashed the mutant scourge upon the world. Ethically the DUmmies have got it covered.


48 posted on 07/27/2006 11:07:27 AM PDT by Calusa (Did the Founders really intend schools to be a wonderland for sexual predators?)
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"In January, an informal ethics committee at Stanford University endorsed a proposal to create mice with brains nearly completely made of human brain cells.

Stanford law professor Hank Greely, who chaired the ethics committee, said the board was satisfied that the size and shape of the mouse brain would prevent the human cells from creating any traits of humanity.

Just in case, Greely said, the committee recommended closely monitoring the mice's behavior and immediately killing any that display human-like behavior."

That's great, if they become human, just kill them end of problem.


49 posted on 07/27/2006 11:07:27 AM PDT by eartotheground (king-jones-farkas RINO axis of evil)
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50 posted on 07/27/2006 11:08:48 AM PDT by JOAT
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