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Keeping the trust is the first order (Minutemen-Simcox)
Jewish World Review ^ | July 28, 2006 | Wesley Pruden

Posted on 07/28/2006 3:05:06 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

The first thing a Minuteman has to learn is to keep his powder dry. The bigger the powder magazine, the bigger the risk of getting it all wet.

This is the lesson that Chris Simcox, the president of the volunteers on the border, who have almost single-handedly aroused the nation's conscience about the tide of illegal immigration, seems to have missed in basic training.

The "powder" is the hundreds of thousands of dollars that Americans have contributed to the Minutemen, who have been exceedingly helpful to the U.S. Border Patrol. The careful, rigorous reporting of Jerry Seper in The Washington Times reveals that the Minutemen management has not made its records of fundraising and finances public in more than a year, raising the hackles and suspicions of several top Simcox aides. Some of them have resigned, protesting the loose management of the money...."[snip]

"... All the more reason that Chris Simcox and his lieutenants must account for the money and explain what the Declaration Alliance, the grandly named political public-relations firm in Herndon, has done with the money it has collected and disbursed in the name of the Minutemen. The Declaration Alliance is the creation of Alan Keyes, the smooth-talking conservative activist and sometime pol, and is meant to provide mass mailings, public relations and "a fully accredited and independent audit." So far no one in the Minutemen management has said how much has been paid to the Declaration Alliance, and what the Minutemen got for the money...."

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KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; immigration; minuteman; minutemen; mmp; pruden; simcox
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1 posted on 07/28/2006 3:05:08 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Amelia; unsycophant; catholicfreeper; Rex Anderson; Texasforever; Anti-Bubba182; Howlin; onyx; ...

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2 posted on 07/28/2006 3:09:58 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
This is preposterous! All of the sudden, the fact that our borders are wide open to anyone with willpower and the legs to walk - is deemed superfluous to how a few thousand dollars was spend by a volunteer organization? What about the federal government's legal obligation to secure the borders and enforce the laws - which is apparently too much for the federal government!
3 posted on 07/28/2006 3:47:56 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I can imagine the logistics of keeping that group running is a nightmare, especially on a volunteer basis. Unless there is proof of something nefarious I would not be too concerned. This is simply another attack against a group trying to keep America strong.


4 posted on 07/28/2006 3:48:34 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Ken522
That's a false dichotomy. The federal government's abject failure--refusal!--to seal the border doesn't excuse the MCDC and Simcox from their promises.

. . . a few thousand dollars . . .

How much?

5 posted on 07/28/2006 3:52:12 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: driftdiver

I agree with you, if the money went for prostitutes, parties and outragous trips thats one thing. I wish people were as concerned and outraged as to what our goverment does or doesn't do with our money.


6 posted on 07/28/2006 4:29:04 AM PDT by panthermom
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To: panthermom

"I wish people were as concerned and outraged as to what our goverment does or doesn't do with our money."

Good point, even if these guys paid for prostitutes, parties and trips the money was still better spent dollar for dollar than our taxes.

I think people should be forced to pay their taxes AFTER its deposited. It hits you MUCH harder having to give up that 30% after the money hits your account. Might help people realize just how much money is wasted.


7 posted on 07/28/2006 4:35:32 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Anti-Bubba182
The drumbeat for accountability is only going to get louder. The fact is, Simcox is sitting on over a million dollars and has built two miles of a five-strand barbed-wire fence that a 1500 pound bull could knock down.

One donor mortgaged his house, others have poured substantial sums into an effort that has yielded very little.

One troubling feature of the past accounting from the Declaration Alliance is that only a nickel out of every dollar goes to the stated purpose of the donation.

If the same processes are in place here, questions about the disposition of the other 95 cents must be asked and answered.

8 posted on 07/28/2006 4:38:02 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
"One troubling feature of the past accounting from the Declaration Alliance is that only a nickel out of every dollar goes to the stated purpose of the donation."

How efficient they are will be followed. They won't be able to hide with fronts.

9 posted on 07/28/2006 5:02:36 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
All the more reason that Chris Simcox and his lieutenants must account for the money and explain what the Declaration Alliance, the grandly named political public-relations firm in Herndon, has done with the money it has collected and disbursed in the name of the Minutemen. The Declaration Alliance is the creation of Alan Keyes, the smooth-talking conservative activist and sometime pol, and is meant to provide mass mailings, public relations and "a fully accredited and independent audit." So far no one in the Minutemen management has said how much has been paid to the Declaration Alliance, and what the Minutemen got for the money.

These reporters really are lazy. They should open the 990's and see how the money is being spent already. That's a good indication how the Minuteman money will be spent..more flyers, more emails and some barb wired fencing (probably MORE symbolic fencing will be planned now that the fundraising cat is out of the bag).
10 posted on 07/28/2006 7:14:17 AM PDT by Registered (There's nothing progressive about being liberal)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

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11 posted on 07/28/2006 8:56:50 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Petronski

You hardly seem concerned about the 10+ billion dollars that illegals cost the California taxpayers each year.

Your slip is showing.


12 posted on 07/28/2006 9:08:13 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
You hardly seem concerned about the 10+ billion dollars that illegals cost the California taxpayers each year.

Seem concerned? What kind of conservative are you, pining for expressions of my feelings? Should I rend my garments just to convince the likes of you?

I don't pay taxes in California and I have no vote there, they can make themselves into whatever kind of socialist hellhole they want, it effects me little.

"Seem concerned..." That's hilarious. Like I'm supposed to supply a YouTube link to video of me weeping about the Cali taxpayer.

Your slip is showing.

I don't wear a slip, sister.

13 posted on 07/28/2006 9:13:17 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Petronski

Did you contribute to the MM fund?
If you're not concerned about CA taxpayers, and didn't contribute to the MM fund, what's the point of your post?

Just curious.


14 posted on 07/28/2006 9:44:33 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

More anti-minutemen rhetoric from the anti-minutemen brigade.


15 posted on 07/28/2006 10:19:38 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Deacon Blues!)
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To: taxed2death; Petronski

Why of course he did not contribute. He does not want any support for the MMDC published on FreeRepublic, even though there are links to Keyes groups on the front page of FreeRepublic.

See you are too stupid to make ideological decisions or funding decisions on your own and need to be instructed on who to vote for, what to think, whom to associate with, what policies to support especially when your views collide with their Alienist party position.


They are upset because someone gave 120K to Simcox instead of a competing organization. They repeat the same sorry discredited and unsubstantiated attacts on a volunteer organization, yet turn a blind eye to federal policy because they are affiliated closely with the party currently in power.

You can't be a conservative according to this gang.

Dont attempt to think outside the box, have a contrarian opinion, support other than "party approved" thoughts groups ideology on the immigration topic or you will be branded racist and any adverb they can think of at the moment.

They have a pretty baseless foundation to attack from, but can rehash the same arguments for months on end.

Too bad they are losing in the court of public opinion and reality.


16 posted on 07/28/2006 12:17:29 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: sinkspur
You are still full of it. "One donor mortgaged his house, others have poured substantial sums into an effort that has yielded very little."

If you read the MMDC blog the person who donated his money knows where the cash is and what it's to be used for and has no qualms about it. Competing minutemen/border groups got their panties in a wad about it. As well as you, it seems.

Do some research before rehashing old unsubstantiated undocumented slimes. Especially if you claim to be morally superior to the MSM.

Bringing down Simcox already has taken over a month. It's not as easy taking down a conservative organization as it was a document fraudster like Rather. It's going to take until November, and by then they will have put up alot more fence.

17 posted on 07/28/2006 12:28:44 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: Registered
They should open the 990's and see how the money is being spent already.

I don't think there are any 990s available for this group--and Simcox will then form ANOTHER group, as he's done already. Lather, rise, repeat...

18 posted on 07/28/2006 12:30:37 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Marine Inspector
More anti-minutemen rhetoric from the anti-minutemen brigade.

Pruden's one of the editors at the Washington Times. Nice try.

19 posted on 07/28/2006 12:31:48 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: axes_of_weezles
Nobody's trying to take down anybody.

These questions will continue until they are answered.

Open the books.

20 posted on 07/28/2006 1:01:17 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

And so it goes...on and on and on and on...


21 posted on 07/28/2006 1:32:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: dixiechick2000

New info to read.


22 posted on 07/28/2006 1:36:31 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Ken522
Our Northern border is far more porous, but you don't appear to care about that at all. Why is that? After all, that IS where
a large group of Islamonazis live now.
23 posted on 07/28/2006 1:38:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Bookmarked


24 posted on 07/28/2006 1:49:53 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: nopardons
Our Northern border is far more porous, but you don't appear to care about that at all. Why is that? After all, that IS where a large group of Islamonazis live now.

You aren't supposed to notice that.

25 posted on 07/28/2006 1:50:51 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: axes_of_weezles
He does not want any support for the MMDC published on FreeRepublic, even though there are links to Keyes groups on the front page of FreeRepublic.

Are you referring to me?

If this claim is referring to me, then I will call you sir a damn liar. You don't know squat about me, you're one of the crew throwing charges at anyone who dare criticize Chris Simcox or his prophet Alan Keyes (or maybe that's the other way around).

Cut out the damn lies.

26 posted on 07/28/2006 3:26:44 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: axes_of_weezles
...their Alienist party position.

If you are referring to me, you are now twice the liar you were above.

They are upset because someone gave 120K to Simcox instead of a competing organization.

Is this meant to refer to me? If so, you have lied again.

Are you paid by the lie?

27 posted on 07/28/2006 3:31:41 PM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Registered
It's funny how lazy reporting gets a pass, isn't it? What are they waiting for? What is Simcox waiting for? A celestial event?
28 posted on 07/28/2006 3:37:27 PM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: axes_of_weezles
Bringing down Simcox already has taken over a month. It's not as easy taking down a conservative organization as it was a document fraudster like Rather. It's going to take until November, and by then they will have put up alot more fence.

Why doesn't Simcox just put up the MMDC's financial paperwork on the internet? If he's got his jots and tittles straight, wouldn't that end the efforts against him?

29 posted on 07/28/2006 3:41:38 PM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: axes_of_weezles
See you are too stupid to make ideological decisions or funding decisions on your own and need to be instructed on who to vote for, what to think, whom to associate with, what policies to support especially when your views collide with their Alienist party position.

i.e., if you dare criticize Simcox, Keyes, et.al., you will be told you must be a member of LaRaza and/or other liberal organizations, and you certainly aren't a real conservative.

They are upset because someone gave 120K to Simcox instead of a competing organization. They repeat the same sorry discredited and unsubstantiated attacts on a volunteer organization, yet turn a blind eye to federal policy because they are affiliated closely with the party currently in power.

Any criticism of Simcox is "discredited and unsubstantiated". However, even if it were true, it wouldn't matter because the federal government is worse.

In other words, whether or not Simcox is a crook is irrelevant because the government isn't doing its job.

You can't be a conservative according to this gang.

Of course, all TRUE conservatives believe in Keyes and Simcox.

Dont attempt to think outside the box, have a contrarian opinion, support other than "party approved" thoughts groups ideology on the immigration topic or you will be branded racist and any adverb they can think of at the moment.

You must approve of Keyes and Simcox, or you are a liberal, and OBLer, a closet member of LaRaza, and an anti-FReeper.

They have a pretty baseless foundation to attack from, but can rehash the same arguments for months on end.

Don't wait for any facts, but insults abound.

Too bad they are losing in the court of public opinion and reality.

More and more conservative columnists are calling for openness from the MCDC, but don't expect this small group of FReepers to do so....expect them to insult those who stand for responsibility and openness.

30 posted on 07/28/2006 4:46:15 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: Registered

Chances are if the fund-raising through DA has been going on for less than 18 months, you won't see anything on a 990.

Well, okay, not quite true...let me put it this way. Anything collected for their current tax year has yet to be reported, but anything collected in the previous tax year will be there.


31 posted on 07/28/2006 5:33:46 PM PDT by HiJinx (Have you hugged a soldier today? Try it, you'll like it!)
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To: Petronski

I have seen the posts; may not have been you specifically. But there are many snide remarks about posters being in the minority, not conservative, not representative of Free Republic or conservatives. In general.


32 posted on 07/28/2006 5:49:51 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: sinkspur

"Nobody's trying to take down anybody."

I beg to differ if you read the threads.


33 posted on 07/28/2006 5:58:43 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: Amelia

Horsefeathers amelia. You are one of the persons I was speaking of.

Are you holding the Federal Govenment to the same standard?

How much is being spent on personell, equipment and training on the NG deployment to the border?

How many NG personnel are actually on the border?

Are you asking for the same openness of the Feds that you are asking of volunteers?

Do you think there will be 6000 NG folks on the border by next tuesday?


34 posted on 07/28/2006 6:08:53 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles
How many NG personnel are actually on the border?

4500. Next question?

35 posted on 07/28/2006 6:09:58 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Amelia

Where is your call for a GAO audit of the NG Deployment?


I hear crickets.


36 posted on 07/28/2006 6:10:23 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: Texasforever

How many were promised on the border by next tuesday?


37 posted on 07/28/2006 6:10:57 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: Texasforever

How much is being spent?

Where are the reports? Why arent they public. The mission is being paid for with tax money.


38 posted on 07/28/2006 6:12:12 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

6000 and on track. Get a new talking point.


39 posted on 07/28/2006 6:12:19 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

How long are we going to have to wait for disclosure of the GAO audit?


40 posted on 07/28/2006 6:13:01 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: Texasforever

Come on tex. How much is it costing the taxpayers?


41 posted on 07/28/2006 6:13:59 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles
How long are we going to have to wait for disclosure of the GAO audit?

Go to their website

42 posted on 07/28/2006 6:14:02 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: axes_of_weezles

5 billion.


43 posted on 07/28/2006 6:14:27 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
All the more reason that Chris Simcox and his lieutenants must account for the money and explain what the Declaration Alliance, the grandly named political public-relations firm in Herndon, has done with the money it has collected and disbursed in the name of the Minutemen.

All of this, according to Mr. Simcox, will be done at the legally required time in th legally required manner.

L

44 posted on 07/28/2006 6:15:48 PM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Pence. Does anyone on his staff own a pen?)
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To: Texasforever

You are a hypocrite.

FedGov drops 5 Billion in 3 months and not a peep from you.
No asking for accounting.

One volunteer organization has raised up to 1.6 Mil over 3 years and you want a proctological exam.

I will love to see your posts Tuesday when they report there are not 6K on the border. And that the bulk of the troops are at home station in training and in support roles.


I guess that's a double standard you hold.


45 posted on 07/28/2006 6:19:58 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: sinkspur
Open the books.

Once again for the comprehension impaired.

The MMDC has stated over and over again that they will 'open' their books at the legally required time in the legally required manner.

Nobody's trying to take down anybody.

Piffle, stuff, and nonsense.

You don't like these guys, you disagree with their goals, and would like nothing better than to see them fail.

It's pretty pathetic you can't be at least be honest about that much.

L

46 posted on 07/28/2006 6:20:00 PM PDT by Lurker (2 months and still no Bill from Pence. Does anyone on his staff own a pen?)
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To: Texasforever

How long are we going to have to wait for disclosure of the GAO audit?

Go to their website


Whose website. There is no GAO audit until someone from congress requests it or there are numerous calls to the fraud line. Otherwise the guard will be back home if they call the deployment off prior to or after the elections.


47 posted on 07/28/2006 6:21:44 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: Texasforever

Crickets. Peeep Peep Peep


48 posted on 07/28/2006 6:25:19 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles
Baloney. You are building strawmen. There is congressional oversight of how the money is spent. You are in way over your head with this. The HsD has spent 5.9 billion dollars this year on border security. It is going to be increased next year. The budgets are publicly available as well as what the money is spent on. That is a far cry from Simcox and Keys stalling around praying that this will blow over.
49 posted on 07/28/2006 6:26:14 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Texasforever

Homeland Security is not DoD.

They wont know how much is spent until the funding line for the deployment is at the end of the FY - 1 October.

NG is DoD, not Homeland Security.


50 posted on 07/28/2006 6:59:39 PM PDT by axes_of_weezles
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