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House Conservatives Circulate Letter on Minimum Wage
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Posted on 07/28/2006 7:10:44 AM PDT by Solow591

Despite the clear economic case against a higher federal minimum wage, "moderates" in Congress are continuing the push the issue. Fortunately, House conservatives are not going along with this misguided effort, and members of the Republican Study Committee circulated this letter on Capitol Hill yesterday.

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The Republican Study Committee circulated a letter calling on House leadership to refrain from bringing to the floor any legislation that would increase the minimum wage.
1 posted on 07/28/2006 7:10:45 AM PDT by Solow591
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To: Solow591

Yes, another fine LEFTIST idea -- raise the cost of doing business. Drive more business offshore. The libs can only see votes and taxes. There is nothing else in their myopic little socialist world.


2 posted on 07/28/2006 7:12:56 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Solow591

I disagree with this. I would like to see the minimum wage indexed to inflation with yearly increases to reflect this.


3 posted on 07/28/2006 7:12:57 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock
I disagree with this. I would like to see the minimum wage indexed to inflation with yearly increases to reflect this.

Quick. Go buy a copy of Basic Economics by Thomas Sowell. Read it. You'll be glad you did. Seriously.

4 posted on 07/28/2006 7:14:19 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: EagleUSA

But, but...What about the children?


5 posted on 07/28/2006 7:14:48 AM PDT by NYleatherneck (It ain't a World War until the French surrender.)
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To: TChris

I have. I still think this is the best solution.


6 posted on 07/28/2006 7:15:28 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock

Never took a basic economics class, did ya?


7 posted on 07/28/2006 7:15:49 AM PDT by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: NYleatherneck

But, but...What about the children?
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The libs could care less, in reality. Why? Because they do not vote, or pay taxes. Nothing for the libs there...


8 posted on 07/28/2006 7:16:26 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Solow591

My math tells me this minium wage would provide $15,000 a year to a worker, $7.25/hr X 40 hrs/wk X 52 wks/year.

That has to be patronization if not anything else. I'll help you out of poverty; congradulations on your new salary of $15,000/yr!!!

Who makes $5.25/hr anyway? 6 years ago in high school, I made $6.50/hr at a pharmacy. The minimum wage is worthless. It forces employers to pay more for substandard work. I they paid so bad, no one would work for them. In order to make changes like this, shouldn't you prove that the problem exists and it widespread??? I want to see all these works making $5.25/hr and those that will benefit from this.


9 posted on 07/28/2006 7:16:38 AM PDT by dynamite98
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To: EagleUSA

Reminds me of that scene in the movie Bullworth, when Warren Beaty is telling the black church in Compton why he doesn't care about them...


10 posted on 07/28/2006 7:17:49 AM PDT by NYleatherneck (It ain't a World War until the French surrender.)
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To: Solow591

Yeah, the RSC is great.

I did hear Rush say yesterday that he heard Republicans are going to push for a minimum wage increase and try to make it their issue. He said more to come on that later.

If they do, I guess I'll have to re-register as an Independent.


11 posted on 07/28/2006 7:18:12 AM PDT by IrwinvilleConservative
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To: Hydroshock
I have. I still think this is the best solution.

I suppose you're free to think that, but you're wrong.

Price controls, including those on labor, always, always cause more problems than they solve, usually to the opposite effect of the goal of the controls. If you really had read Basic Economics, you would have read many examples of that fact.

12 posted on 07/28/2006 7:19:33 AM PDT by TChris (Banning DDT wasn't about birds. It was about power.)
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To: Hydroshock

You said: I disagree with this. I would like to see the minimum wage indexed to inflation with yearly increases to reflect this.
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How about if we index the increases/decreases in minimum the minimum wage to increases/decreases in the productivity of the average entry level worker? My bet is that the minimum wage would decrease, not increase. The quality of workers coming out of high school these days is embarrassing. Very few of them merit $5.25 or more. Those who do get raises to that amount. Those worth less still get a minimum wage, only because the employer needs SOME level of output. Many minimum wage workers are a drag on the bottom line, not a source of profits for employers.


13 posted on 07/28/2006 7:31:43 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: EagleUSA

However, like Hizbullah, the Libs are willing to hide behind children (and women, for that matter).


14 posted on 07/28/2006 7:59:24 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (If the people lead, the leaders will follow.)
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To: Arm_Bears

However, like Hizbullah, the Libs are willing to hide behind children (and women, for that matter).
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Oh yes, we have our own brand of traitors and cowards amongst us. Sickening, isn't it ??


15 posted on 07/28/2006 8:04:46 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Hydroshock; Petronski; Toddsterpatriot

Hey, guys, check out post #3. Surprise!!!


16 posted on 07/28/2006 8:07:36 AM PDT by Seamoth (Kool-aid is the most addictive and destructive drug of them all.)
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To: Seamoth; Mase; nopardons
Interesting. He joined 3 days after Havoc was banned.

Hmmmmmmmm......

17 posted on 07/28/2006 8:23:00 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Hydroshock

Charitably, that makes you an economic nincompoop.


18 posted on 07/28/2006 8:26:53 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Petronski
Makes me a realist. Do you think really for one minute that congress can keep not raising the minimum wage, and that when they do it will be a big one. This is slow and gradual, read not much impact. And keep in mind this is a tight election years.
19 posted on 07/28/2006 8:29:23 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
He joined 3 days after Havoc was banned.

I'd be surprised if he was Havoc, who was (and no doubt still is) a raving psychotic.

20 posted on 07/28/2006 8:29:31 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Hydroshock
Makes me a realist.

Makes you a fool.

By your logic, since there's always going to be rape, everyone might as well go out and commit a bunch of rapes.

You'd've made a great collaborateur in Vichy France.

21 posted on 07/28/2006 8:31:23 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Petronski
I'd be surprised if he was Havoc,

I'd be surprised too, but Havoc is very interested in the minimum wage lately.

22 posted on 07/28/2006 8:32:41 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Hydroshock
Makes me a realist.

If you had the power, where would you set the minimum wage? Do you think the minimum should enable 1 person to support a family of 4?

23 posted on 07/28/2006 8:33:56 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Hydroshock
Why does everyone seem to concede that the federal government has a say in what wage rates are paid in the private sector?

Paraphrasing: Powers not delegated to the Federal Government, nor prohibited by the Constitution to the several states, are reserved to the several States and to the people.

Exact quote: Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

The power to set minimum wage rates for workers was not delegated to the United States (federal government). Therefore the federal government has no such power over this matter.

Article 1, Section 10 contains limits on the several states: No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.

No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

There is nothing in Art 1. Sec. 10., prohibiting States from setting a State minimum wage, but that doesn't imply that the states are free to do this. There might be the little matter of people being free to contract freely. That is, letting the parties to contract negotiate their own rates. If the market doesn't want to pay me minimum wage to sweep the floor, why should someone be forced to? Even more, why should the federal government interfere, when they were delegated no such authority? Sheeple tolerate the usurpations of the federal government and that is why freedom and liberty is slipping away.

24 posted on 07/28/2006 8:34:20 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: Solow591
Idiots...

How ironic that Dims try to act like Republicans to fool folks into voting for them, and Republicans turn around and try to act like Dims for supposedly the same reason.

25 posted on 07/28/2006 8:38:29 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Petronski

Keep in mind that I am not an economic/pro business conservative, in this area I am a moderate. I am a social conservative. And the question still stands, do you think that a raise will not ever happen. Keep in mind this is the world as it is not as some policy wonk says it should be.


26 posted on 07/28/2006 8:39:15 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

No I would increase the minimum wage by .25 cents a year or the rate of inflation which ever is higher. A slow steady cost of living increase. Also it has the advantage of removing a democratic party issue they use every election year.


27 posted on 07/28/2006 8:41:24 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock
"I have. I still think this is the best solution."

Can you provide logic for believing that "is still the best solution", or are you just a typical liberal who "feels" that this is the best solution even though it goes against logic, economics, and reality?
28 posted on 07/28/2006 8:43:41 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Solow591

I would like to see the federal government stop suppressing market wages by inviting illegal labor into the country, and by incorrectly blaming inflation on higher wages.


29 posted on 07/28/2006 8:44:12 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Hydroshock
And the question still stands, do you think that a raise will not ever happen.

That's the point of referring to you as a French collaborateur: you can decide that something is eventually going to happen and throw up your hands in defeat, or you can decide that something is eventually going to happen and resist it so that it is delayed and minimized as much as possible.

Resist or collaborate, it's your choice.

Of course, resistance presumes one thinks it is a bad idea. In your case, I think you consider it a good idea, and this whole "inevitability" gambit is B.S.

30 posted on 07/28/2006 8:44:45 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Hydroshock

"Keep in mind that I am not an economic/pro business conservative"

That says it all.


31 posted on 07/28/2006 8:45:21 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hydroshock
Also it has the advantage of removing a democratic party issue they use every election year.

You're incredibly naive. It would remove NOTHING. If you concede two bits, they'll demand four. Don't be such a sucker.

32 posted on 07/28/2006 8:45:49 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Hydroshock
"Makes me a realist. Do you think really for one minute that congress can keep not raising the minimum wage"

Yes, when it is pointed out time and time again that it is bad economics, then people will eventually not care about minimum wage, which is basically where we are at now. The reason it has not been raised is because most people don't care about it because they don't make anywhere near minimum wage, so it is a non-issue. If congress keeps passing it, it makes it look like a legit policy. We should never advocate having congress pass poor policy.
33 posted on 07/28/2006 8:50:27 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Petronski
I see NO coloration between the frogs in WW2 an the minimum wage.
34 posted on 07/28/2006 8:52:21 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Petronski

Yes they would, but it would blunt the issue with the voters.


35 posted on 07/28/2006 8:53:10 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock

I think we are better off with the position that it is very bad policy than to side with the democrats. That has been our position in the past and it has not hurt us. In short, I don't think it is an issue with most voters, or at least with the ones who will vote Republican. The democrats think it is an issue, but it is not.


36 posted on 07/28/2006 8:57:18 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hydroshock
I see NO coloration between the frogs in WW2 an the minimum wage.

It's a simple question of surrender or fight. I think you understand it just fine, but because you want to maintain the illusion of some kind of opposition--any kind--to increasing the minimum wage, you feign confusion.

37 posted on 07/28/2006 8:57:51 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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...but it would blunt the issue with the voters.

LOL

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.


I bet you have a quitclaim deed for the Brooklyn Bridge, don't you?

38 posted on 07/28/2006 8:58:39 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I take it back. It very well could be Havoc.


39 posted on 07/28/2006 8:59:26 AM PDT by Petronski (Living His life abundantly.)
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To: Hendrix

You maybe right in one respect many who are teh republican base care not for this. But there are many that do. And I have always thought it best to put forth good policies that benefit the majority of Americans as a primary goal of both parties. Sadly in is often the case, on both sides of the isle. But I still think that my Idea is the best solution for the minimum wage issue.


40 posted on 07/28/2006 9:00:33 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Petronski

I refuse to fight a battle I do not believe in. Unlike you I believe the minimum wages needs to be increased, slowly.


41 posted on 07/28/2006 9:01:53 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Hydroshock; Petronski; Toddsterpatriot; Seamoth
I would like to see the minimum wage indexed to inflation with yearly increases to reflect this.

This could cause economic havoc.

42 posted on 07/28/2006 9:02:32 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when it is ignored.)
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To: beyond the sea

How? A yearly cost of living increase equal to teh percentage of inflation.


43 posted on 07/28/2006 9:04:40 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: Petronski

It's a huge issue. The Republicans knock it down and the Dems pick it up during the campaign. Just hammer away at it. The subtext being: vote dem and get a pay increase.


44 posted on 07/28/2006 9:05:22 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Hydroshock
"And I have always thought it best to put forth good policies that benefit the majority of Americans as a primary goal of both parties."

That is our point. Increasing the minimum wage or even having a minimum wage is very bad economics for everyone, including the poor, and that is why fiscal conservatives are against the minimum wage--it hurts the poor and everyone because it slows and hurts economic growth. Economic growth is the best tool for making everyone's standard of living go up, including the poor. That is also why we are against socialism, the welfare state, and everytyhing else that is supposed to help the poor--it actually hurts the poor.
45 posted on 07/28/2006 9:05:23 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Jason_b
Why does everyone seem to concede that the federal government has a say in what wage rates are paid in the private sector? ---

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Says it all...........

46 posted on 07/28/2006 9:05:38 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when it is ignored.)
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To: durasell
"It's a huge issue. The Republicans knock it down and the Dems pick it up during the campaign. Just hammer away at it. The subtext being: vote dem and get a pay increase."

Most people don't make minimum wage, and thus I don't think most people think it is going to make their wages go up. I don't think it is the issue that the democarts hope it is. Remember, the democrats are still preaching Karl Marx class warfare, and the minimum wage is part of that agenda. That class warfare argument has lost much of its appeal.
47 posted on 07/28/2006 9:08:40 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hydroshock

Minimum wages increases are inflation and would add to inflation! I really wish people would think things through./


48 posted on 07/28/2006 9:09:23 AM PDT by Andrewksu
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To: durasell

Also, don't forget that the democrats have been using this issue for several election cycles without a winning result. We have not raised the minimum wage in a long time.


49 posted on 07/28/2006 9:10:34 AM PDT by Hendrix
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To: Hendrix

I disagree. I have always looked favorably on how Theordore Roosevelt manage economic and foriegn policy. That is why I frequently call my self a Teddy roosevelt Republican


50 posted on 07/28/2006 9:11:31 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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