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DoD Report: 50 Trucks Carried Iraqi WMD To Syria
Sweetness & Light ^ | July 28, 2006 | N/A

Posted on 07/28/2006 1:42:19 PM PDT by Sam Hill

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I'm sure our one party media will have a field day investigating this development.

(Just kidding of course.)

1 posted on 07/28/2006 1:42:21 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Deb; kcvl; Mo1; Enchante; veronica; stocksthatgoup; mewzilla; backhoe; BushisTheMan; Grampa Dave; ..

Iraqi WMD ping.


2 posted on 07/28/2006 1:43:31 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

John Loftus has been talking about this for over 3 years now....


3 posted on 07/28/2006 1:45:24 PM PDT by LadyBuzz
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To: Sam Hill

They won't ever waste their time with anything that's true and accurate;)
BUT, now that they're in Syria, where will they go next? Heads up Israel!


4 posted on 07/28/2006 1:45:33 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: jveritas; eyespysomething

Ping WMD Docs.


5 posted on 07/28/2006 1:46:54 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Sam Hill

Nah, this looks just like that scrap of paper that Dan Rather used to nail Bush on the whole Air Guard thing. /sarc off.


6 posted on 07/28/2006 1:47:23 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamists, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: Sam Hill

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good find


7 posted on 07/28/2006 1:48:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: jveritas

ping, can you read the second doc in Arabic?


8 posted on 07/28/2006 1:48:30 PM PDT by mnehring (Texas is no Joke! Perry 06)
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To: Sam Hill

This backs up David Kays concerns from years ago.......


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/25/wirq2...


"But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a
lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of
Saddam's WMD programme.

AND

http://www.nysun.com/article/26514

"The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says
Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading
the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed."



9 posted on 07/28/2006 1:49:18 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: SuzyQue

marker


10 posted on 07/28/2006 1:49:19 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Sam Hill
Sam, I am a bit skeptical on this one. A convoy of fifty trucks just before the invasion?

We had to have been monitoring that place constantly, plus our guys on the ground.

Fifty trucks is a long convoy, tough to miss on satelite images.


11 posted on 07/28/2006 1:49:20 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money -- M. Thatcher)
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To: texas_mrs

MAJOR PING


12 posted on 07/28/2006 1:51:02 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: Sam Hill
The media can fool some of the people some of the time, but:

Harris Pollsters Surprised at Poll Results: Half of Americans Believe Iraq had WMDs when U.S. Invaded
Jennifer Harper TN (Jul 26, 2006)
More at Washington Times

Fifty-five percent believe history will give U.S. credit for bringing freedom to Iraq.

A recent Harris Poll has found that half of Americans now say Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the United States invaded the country in 2003 -- up from 36 percent last year. According to reporter Jennifer Harper, pollsters deemed the increase both "substantial" and "surprising," in light of persistent press reports to the contrary in recent years.

As reported in The Washington Times, other results offered positive feedback on Iraq: "Seventy-two percent of respondents said the Iraqi people are better off now than under Saddam Hussein's regime, and in addition, 64 percent say Saddam had "strong links" with al Qaeda, up from 62 percent in October 2004. Fifty-five percent said that "history will give the U.S. credit for bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq."

Also, notes Harper, "41 percent say the war has reduced the threat of another major terrorist attack in the United States, a sentiment also unchanged in the past two years." / end excerpt

13 posted on 07/28/2006 1:51:30 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: jveritas

Are these the same documents you translated?


14 posted on 07/28/2006 1:52:01 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Knowledge is power, so the MSM makes sure the terrorists have our classified info.)
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To: Sam Hill

It will be deinied to the end.


15 posted on 07/28/2006 1:52:20 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Michael.SF.

I can't tell if you are being facetious or not. In case you're not:

CIA can't rule out WMD move to Syria - The Washington Times: Nation/Politics - April 27, 2005

"Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place," his report stated. "However, ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials."

Speculation on WMDs in Syria was fueled by the fact that satellite images picked up long lines of trucks waiting to cross the border into Syria before the coalition launched the invasion.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050427-121915-1667r.htm


16 posted on 07/28/2006 1:52:30 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill

Even with this the media and left has spun the issue into oblivion. The administration shows no signs of revisiting the issue. I wish it was otherwise.


17 posted on 07/28/2006 1:52:35 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Link fixed.....


Saddam's WMD hidden in Syria, says Iraq survey chief

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/25/wirq25.xml

"But we know from some of the interrogations of former Iraqi officials that a
lot of material went to Syria before the war, including some components of
Saddam's WMD programme."


18 posted on 07/28/2006 1:52:48 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Sam Hill

bttt


19 posted on 07/28/2006 1:52:57 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: Sam Hill
I think this is consistent with what Colin Powell told the UN Security Council just before the start of the war.

I believe that he also showed aerial photos showing this massive activity at the Iraq/Syria border.

20 posted on 07/28/2006 1:53:15 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: Sam Hill

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21 posted on 07/28/2006 1:53:59 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Good, bad... I'm the guy with the gun. [bang!]


22 posted on 07/28/2006 1:54:04 PM PDT by pgyanke (Christ embraces sinners; liberals embrace the sin.)
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Not sure how trustworthy any opposition sources can be...


23 posted on 07/28/2006 1:54:17 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: Sam Hill
I'm sure our one party media will have a field day investigating this development.

Might help if Bush, Rice, Rove, Snow, anyone in the Administration would push the point.

24 posted on 07/28/2006 1:55:17 PM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Sam Hill

I bet there's a mad scramble at 60 Minutes to get this story on the air this weekend...not.


25 posted on 07/28/2006 1:55:17 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: Sam Hill
I'm sure our one party media will have a field day investigating this development.

(Just kidding dreaming of course.)

26 posted on 07/28/2006 1:55:39 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Agreed!
If President Bush were to revisit the issue and bring forth all the documentation the libs head would explode or they would just ignore it. I believe they would do the latter or I would buy stock in duct tape there'd be alot of exploding heads.


27 posted on 07/28/2006 1:58:07 PM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: Michael.SF.

Ah, breaker one-nine, this here's the Rubber Duck. You gotta copy on me, Pig Pen, c'mon?


28 posted on 07/28/2006 1:58:32 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Michael.SF.

Uh, Breaker One-Nine, this here's the Rubber Duck
You got a copy on me Pig-Pen? C'mon

Uh, yeah 10-4 Pig Pen, fer sure, fer sure
By golly it's clean clear to Flag-Town, C'mon

Uh, yeah, that's a big 10-4 Pig-Pen,
Yeah, we definitely got us the front door good buddy,
Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a convoy


29 posted on 07/28/2006 1:59:54 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Michael.SF.

Then what is that a picture of? ;)


30 posted on 07/28/2006 2:00:58 PM PDT by groovejedi
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Beat me by a minute and a half! I hate you GPA!


31 posted on 07/28/2006 2:02:10 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Michael.SF.

Didn't Colin Powell show satellite photographs of these trucks leaving known WMD sites to the UN before the war started in 3/03?


32 posted on 07/28/2006 2:03:16 PM PDT by Peach (Prayers for our dear friends in Israel.)
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To: griswold3

I think he won't because the standard of proof required will keep going up and up to the point of a row of nuclear tipped ICBM. MSM and Democrats are not going to look at this honestly and in good faith.


33 posted on 07/28/2006 2:05:44 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Beat me by a minute and a half! I hate you GPA!

LOL. Show me trucks, I spout C.W. McCall reflexively.

34 posted on 07/28/2006 2:06:47 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Sam Hill

I'm curious what Moharram 10th translates to on the normal calendar. Spec Op folks were already in Iraq weeks before the war. Rehearsals for raids on suspected WMD sites were no doubt conducted months in advance and those sites monitored by satellite. Any convoy of 50 trucks is going to be suspicious whether it leaves one of those sites or not. Even a convoy of 10 trucks is going to be suspicious if it's crossing into Syria soon before the war. Keep in mind that Arabs tend to exaggerate wildly. A convoy of 50 trucks filled with WMD might be, in reality, 2 bongo trucks full of watermelon.


35 posted on 07/28/2006 2:06:55 PM PDT by Axhandle
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To: Sam Hill
50 trucks is a hell of a long line of trucks. It would have been pretty hard for us to miss during pre-war surveillance.
36 posted on 07/28/2006 2:09:50 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: LadyBuzz
John Loftus has been talking about this for over 3 years now....

Indeed. We here at FR were talking about the caravans of cars trucks and limos that were streaming into Syria weeks before the US led coalition went in to kick Sadaam's butt.

Anyone with a brain knew what was in those trucks.

37 posted on 07/28/2006 2:10:58 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I can't complain...but sometimes I still do.)
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To: Sam Hill
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm

Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

By Bill Gertz

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.

John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.

Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.

The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said. The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.

Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.

The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.

Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.

"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."

The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.

A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.

The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.

"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.

The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.

According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.

It is not known whether the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.

A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.

The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not persuade Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.

A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.

However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said. The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.

Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.

The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.

Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.

The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.

Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.

"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said. Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.

The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.

Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.

The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.

Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.

The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.

Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.

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So, HAVE they had any explanation from Russia?
38 posted on 07/28/2006 2:12:28 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: Sam Hill
I was not being facetious. I was simply saying had they moved in a convoy of that size we would have spotted it. The WT article confirms that we saw them, this is an indicator of the content.

The circumstantial evidence builds!

39 posted on 07/28/2006 2:13:27 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money -- M. Thatcher)
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To: Michael.SF.

You don't have to bunch 'em all up.


40 posted on 07/28/2006 2:14:34 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Islam is a perversion of faith, a lie against human spirit, an obscenity shouted in the face of G_d)
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To: Axhandle

"I'm curious what Moharram 10th translates to on the normal calendar."

It's a Moslem holiday period, and moves with the moon.

When is Al-Hijra / Muharram? - When-Is.com
http://www.when-is.com/al-hijra-muharram.asp

Apparently it can be anywhere from late January to the end of March.


41 posted on 07/28/2006 2:15:12 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Michael.SF.

A lot of people have said this is what happened, including somebody who should know;

Ex-Official: Russia Moved Saddam's WMD

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).

"They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special forces) units out of uniform, that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence," he said.

Shaw has dealt with weapons-related issues and export controls as a U.S. government official for 30 years, and was serving as deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security when the events he described today occurred.

http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml


42 posted on 07/28/2006 2:19:26 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Michael.SF.

"I was simply saying had they moved in a convoy of that size we would have spotted it."

Whose to say we didn't?

You have to remember, that at the time these convoys were traveling to Syria, we hadn't attacked Iraq as yet and weren't on the ground to stop them.

At that point, there just wouldn't have been anything that we could have done about it anyway.

I think the U.S. knows where they went, but, unless they want to start a fight with Syria, they aren't going to go after them.

IMO


43 posted on 07/28/2006 2:25:46 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Axhandle

"I'm curious what Moharram 10th translates to on the normal calendar."

Let me correct my earlier post. It's the first month of the Moslem New Year. But since the Moslem year is shorter than ours, it "migrates" through the years.

Anyway, in 2003 it was the thirty day period starting March 4, 2003.

Muslim New Year - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_New_Year


44 posted on 07/28/2006 2:27:03 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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45 posted on 07/28/2006 2:28:25 PM PDT by eyespysomething (How do I set a laser printer to stun?)
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To: Lazamataz
Laz, the language, Please!
46 posted on 07/28/2006 2:29:54 PM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: Sam Hill
Realistic.

But we have to wait for the MSM to uncover this ............

(Still waiting.....)

(Still waiting.....)

(Still waiting.....)

After all, the pajama researchers are only amateurs. they can't be relied upon about important things.
47 posted on 07/28/2006 2:30:32 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Sam Hill
Surely, DoD was taking satellite images of the whole of Iraq previous to the start of the war.

If not, why not?

If they did, what became of the images?

A convey of 50 semi's would seem to be noticeable.
48 posted on 07/28/2006 2:32:29 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Sam Hill

This battle is lost.

"There are no WMD"

At least that is the public perception and the arguments of the anti war pundit. Minor details like those finds that have been made, soldiers that have been exposed, documents reference transfers of them to Syria, facilities found sanitized, Iraqi regime members making sworn statements to the effect of their existence is all brushed aside.

Unless we find a giant bunker with 20 tons of WMD in one place all marked "Saddams secret WMD cache." the MSM will continue to report about “No substantial finds of WMD” (as Newsweek did). Even if we found a large stockpile, many would claim it was planted. The battle over public perception is lost.

The battle of public opinion is lost UNTIL these weapons reappear. Then the anti-war pundit, MSNBC, CBS etc will go on as if they never denied these weapons existence. They will report as if they never took a position on this issue. Don’t believe me? You watch! Remember the MSM and how the beat on Bush and his “stupid” his “Cowboy” his “unilateral” and “destabilizing” effort to build a missile defense shield? Those worthless cowards in Europe used those exact arguments as well reference a missile defense shield and today the same nations that engaged in name calling are rushing to ensure coverage themselves under such a shield. Those who used the false arguments of “no WMD found” as a false pretense to justify doing nothing will just slither on and focus on some new topic they can attack even after the WMD do resurface, and the will.

Syria did not take those WMD to do noting with them. Eventually these nonexistent WMD will reappear. Let the issue rest, at least for now.

What strikes me as odd is that our administration does not rub these things into the faces of those who opposed and bad mouthed us years ago. Why do we let them off the hook so easy? Why do we today not mention missile defense to the Germans and French who are scrabbling to do the same but bad mouthed us for it in 1999? Why does the Bush administration not mention Kyoto, a protocol they refused to sign and claimed was unrealistic, and were criticized over but Germany and many others are in gross violation of today? Eventually even the WMD issue will be proven as correct, but WHO CARES if the Bush administration never makes an issue of it!

Bush should capitalize on issues like missile defense and Kyoto but instead lets them blow by.


49 posted on 07/28/2006 2:33:03 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Peach
Didn't Colin Powell show satellite photographs of these trucks leaving known WMD sites to the UN before the war started in 3/03?

I believe that I remember him showing these pictures. Have been wondering why we have not been hearing more about this in the past few years.

50 posted on 07/28/2006 2:33:30 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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