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I'm sure our one party media will have a field day investigating this development.

(Just kidding of course.)

1 posted on 07/28/2006 1:42:21 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20041028-122637-6257r.htm

Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms

By Bill Gertz

THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.

John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.

Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.

The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said. The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.

Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.

The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.

Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.

"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."

The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.

A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.

The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.

"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.

The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.

According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.

It is not known whether the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.

A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.

The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not persuade Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.

A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.

However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said. The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.

Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.

The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.

Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.

The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.

Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.

"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said. Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.

The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.

Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.

The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.

Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.

The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.

Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.

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So, HAVE they had any explanation from Russia?
38 posted on 07/28/2006 2:12:28 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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Realistic.

But we have to wait for the MSM to uncover this ............

(Still waiting.....)

(Still waiting.....)

(Still waiting.....)

After all, the pajama researchers are only amateurs. they can't be relied upon about important things.
47 posted on 07/28/2006 2:30:32 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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Surely, DoD was taking satellite images of the whole of Iraq previous to the start of the war.

If not, why not?

If they did, what became of the images?

A convey of 50 semi's would seem to be noticeable.
48 posted on 07/28/2006 2:32:29 PM PDT by TomGuy
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This battle is lost.

"There are no WMD"

At least that is the public perception and the arguments of the anti war pundit. Minor details like those finds that have been made, soldiers that have been exposed, documents reference transfers of them to Syria, facilities found sanitized, Iraqi regime members making sworn statements to the effect of their existence is all brushed aside.

Unless we find a giant bunker with 20 tons of WMD in one place all marked "Saddams secret WMD cache." the MSM will continue to report about “No substantial finds of WMD” (as Newsweek did). Even if we found a large stockpile, many would claim it was planted. The battle over public perception is lost.

The battle of public opinion is lost UNTIL these weapons reappear. Then the anti-war pundit, MSNBC, CBS etc will go on as if they never denied these weapons existence. They will report as if they never took a position on this issue. Don’t believe me? You watch! Remember the MSM and how the beat on Bush and his “stupid” his “Cowboy” his “unilateral” and “destabilizing” effort to build a missile defense shield? Those worthless cowards in Europe used those exact arguments as well reference a missile defense shield and today the same nations that engaged in name calling are rushing to ensure coverage themselves under such a shield. Those who used the false arguments of “no WMD found” as a false pretense to justify doing nothing will just slither on and focus on some new topic they can attack even after the WMD do resurface, and the will.

Syria did not take those WMD to do noting with them. Eventually these nonexistent WMD will reappear. Let the issue rest, at least for now.

What strikes me as odd is that our administration does not rub these things into the faces of those who opposed and bad mouthed us years ago. Why do we let them off the hook so easy? Why do we today not mention missile defense to the Germans and French who are scrabbling to do the same but bad mouthed us for it in 1999? Why does the Bush administration not mention Kyoto, a protocol they refused to sign and claimed was unrealistic, and were criticized over but Germany and many others are in gross violation of today? Eventually even the WMD issue will be proven as correct, but WHO CARES if the Bush administration never makes an issue of it!

Bush should capitalize on issues like missile defense and Kyoto but instead lets them blow by.


49 posted on 07/28/2006 2:33:03 PM PDT by Red6
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index for later.


59 posted on 07/28/2006 2:58:09 PM PDT by smonk
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To: Peach

WMD ping


68 posted on 07/28/2006 3:25:13 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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" no wmds no wmds la-la -la i`m not listening "


69 posted on 07/28/2006 3:25:17 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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I notice all the RAT trolls are showing up on this thread.


73 posted on 07/28/2006 3:38:49 PM PDT by John Lenin (It was like going to church, except Ozzy Osbourne was there)
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Place marker to read a little later.


74 posted on 07/28/2006 3:48:28 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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ping...


81 posted on 07/28/2006 4:26:57 PM PDT by tutstar (Baptist ping list-freepmail to get on or off)
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To: Sam Hill
Thanks for the post.

Additional/corroborating info:

A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq’s WMD located in three Syrian sites. (with map)

Somewhere I have also seen the sketches done by the journalist.

85 posted on 07/28/2006 7:11:58 PM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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BTTT


96 posted on 07/29/2006 11:10:12 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s...you weren't really there.)
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bump for later comment


97 posted on 07/29/2006 10:57:03 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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Too little too late.


100 posted on 07/31/2006 6:08:49 AM PDT by funkywbr
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Gen. Tommy Franks himself leans this way, telling the media that "Two days before the war, on March 17 [2003], we saw through multiple intelligence channels - both human intelligence and technical intelligence, large caravans of people and things, including some of the top 55 [most wanted] Iraqis, going to Syria."

Source (final paragraph): What Charles Duelfer Missed

101 posted on 07/31/2006 6:18:02 AM PDT by Quilla
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