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Let's get real in trade talks
The Boston Globe ^ | July 29, 2006 | Robert Kuttner

Posted on 07/29/2006 4:45:54 AM PDT by A. Pole

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To: Last Dakotan
These left barriers to US based businesses while opening our markets with the obvious results.

If that's how you feel.

21 posted on 07/29/2006 8:24:21 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Like any debt, it can be seen as good or bad depending on what the proceeds are used for.

If the Japanese for instance are building new plant and equipment for our industrial infrastructure, obviously that is win for us Americans.

However, if the debt is being used solely for current consumption to be paid off later, (remember when it was the Republicans who talked about future generations paying off debts?) I don't see the gain.

Simply trading assets like stock in existing US based companies (and their future revenue streams) for the consumption of foreign goods is very problematic.

22 posted on 07/29/2006 8:29:59 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

Please review my #20, and highlight what you find "problematic."


23 posted on 07/29/2006 8:32:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Last Dakotan
We are free trading fools in a merchantilist world - and we have the trade deficit to prove it.

You'd know more about whether you're a fool than I would, but please don't speak for the rest of us.

You're saying that we got a "trade deficit" and this is bad.   Maybe you're talking about the Current Account or maybe you're talking about exports and imports.  Whatever.  Hopefully we can all agree that something like unemployment or real wages is important.  Please tell us why a "trade deficit" is important.

24 posted on 07/29/2006 8:33:02 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Last Dakotan
The trade deficit will continue to be what it is until American entrepreneurs have the same access to foreign (particularly Asian) markets as they do to ours.

They never will. The sole purpose of the "free trade" system is to redistribute American wealth to other countries so transnational corporations will have 'emerging markets' and protect transnational corporations in case their business deals go south in the communist hell holes they invest in.

American citizens are overpaid, aren't capable of building their on freeways, and are too inept to do the jobs illegal aliens and h1b workers are doing, so they deserve the disdain of the "free traders"./sarc
25 posted on 07/29/2006 8:45:42 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: expat_panama

Please tell us why US taxpayers must pay for "globalization"?


26 posted on 07/29/2006 8:46:40 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: 1rudeboy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Foreign Direct Investment does not include purchase of U.S. government debt instruments.

You are wrong:

The U.S. net international investment position at yearend 2005 was -$2,693.8 billion (preliminary) with direct investment valued at current cost, as the value of foreign investments in the United States exceeded the value of U.S. investments abroad (table 1). At yearend 2004, the U.S. net international investment position was -$2,360.8 billion (revised).

The -$333.0 billion change in the net investment position from yearend 2004 to yearend 2005 was largely due torecord private net foreign purchases of U.S. securities, including U.S. Treasury securities, and to depreciation of most major foreign currencies against the U.S. dollar, which lowered the dollar value of U.S.-owned assets abroad. The impact of these net purchases and exchange-rate changes was largely offset by price appreciation of U.S.-held foreign stocks that surpassed by a large amount price appreciation of foreign-held U.S. stocks.

27 posted on 07/29/2006 8:47:17 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: lucysmom
Free trade has devastated Mexican farmers without creating new jobs in numbers sufficient to employ them...

The story is supposed to be that "free trade" was moving jobs out of the US and into Mexico.

we've got a $15 billion trade deficit with Mexico, 300,000 jobs have gone south,

Pat Buchanan,  ..opposed NAFTA and a lot of the jobs going to Mexico

By 1997, 3,300 maquiladora factories were operating, employing 800,000 Mexican workers in jobs that not long ago would have gone to Americans.

jobs going to Mexico

28 posted on 07/29/2006 8:50:20 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: raybbr

That's not FDI, friend.


29 posted on 07/29/2006 8:51:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Last Dakotan
Simply trading assets like stock in existing US based companies (and their future revenue streams) for the consumption of foreign goods is very problematic.

Definition: FDI stands for Foreign Direct Investment, a component of a country's national financial accounts. Foreign direct investment is investment of foreign assets into domestic structures, equipment, and organizations. It does not include foreign investment into the stock markets. Foreign direct investment is thought to be more useful to a country than investments in the equity of its companies because equity investments are potentially "hot money" which can leave at the first sign of trouble, whereas FDI is durable and generally useful whether things go well or badly. [emphasis added]
Source

30 posted on 07/29/2006 8:57:27 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: A. Pole
China runs a huge trade surplus in part by denying its workers fundamental rights and decent wages...
Time that unions wake up and go where there is need for higher wages and rights, yes it will take guts, instead of chasing businesses out of the country by sitting on huge wage, fringes, health care, guaranteed employment and retirement contracts, which car buyers refuse to subsidize.
See General Motors this once dominant world giant hanging on sickly and asking Nissan to bail them out by merging... but then finds rejection.
Time however will take care for weaklings.
31 posted on 07/29/2006 8:59:08 AM PDT by hermgem (The same)
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To: hermgem
China runs a trade surplus with us, but a deficit with the world.
32 posted on 07/29/2006 9:01:37 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Let's try this again:

The U.S. net international investment position at yearend 2005 was -$2,693.8 billion (preliminary) with direct investment valued at current cost, as the value of foreign investments in the United States exceeded the value of U.S. investments abroad (table 1). At yearend 2004, the U.S. net international investment position was -$2,360.8 billion (revised

33 posted on 07/29/2006 9:04:31 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: raybbr

FDI is a subset of your "net international investment" figure. Understand now?


34 posted on 07/29/2006 9:30:45 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Foreign Direct Investment does not include purchase of U.S. government debt instruments.

You were wrong.

35 posted on 07/29/2006 9:39:09 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Please tell us why US taxpayers must pay for "globalization"?

Beats me too.

36 posted on 07/29/2006 9:40:44 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: raybbr
Here is the OECD Benchmark Definition of Foreign Direct Investment. Here is the Economist's definition. Boy, that word "direct" really threw you, didn't it?
37 posted on 07/29/2006 9:52:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: hedgetrimmer
Please tell us why US taxpayers must pay for "globalization"?

If you build a factory here, the government will tax and regulate it. If you build your factory overseas, the Federal government will insure it for you.

38 posted on 07/29/2006 10:02:21 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: 1rudeboy

Then I am not the one misunderstanding. It's the BEA that isn't using the very definition they signed on for in the convention.


39 posted on 07/29/2006 10:03:53 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Last Dakotan

OPIC is a self-funding agency.


40 posted on 07/29/2006 10:05:32 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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