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Israel Is Powerful, Yes. But Not So Invincible.
New York Times ^ | July 30, 2006 | By JOHN KIFNER

Posted on 07/29/2006 12:23:09 PM PDT by johnny7

As the bloodbath in Lebanon spilled past its second week — with at least 400 Lebanese dead and many more presumed buried in rubble; some 800,000 refugees, nearly a quarter of the population, on the run; and the fragile nation’s infrastructure shattered — there was no easy way out for either Israel or Hezbollah, the combatants locked in what each saw as a deadly existential struggle.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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1 posted on 07/29/2006 12:23:10 PM PDT by johnny7
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To: johnny7
As the bloodbath in Lebanon spilled past its second

Read that much and their was no reason to go on. If they cannot reign in their drama queen hysterics to write an rational, factual header, there is no reason to waste time on their "reporting" Bloodbath, get a grip you pathetic losers Leftists

2 posted on 07/29/2006 12:25:17 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: johnny7
Israel is close to invincible when fighting the region's traditional armed forces, but when the opponents are terrorist organizations hiding behind civilians the rules are completely different. ....as we know all too well from our experiences in Iraq.
3 posted on 07/29/2006 12:27:12 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: johnny7

This is like the 21004 election where all the leftists in the media had Kerry winning. They are hoping for the same thing with the Hezzies but are forgetting something.

This is war and they have no clue what is going on outside their little area. They are not seeing strategy, only the result of a raid or a bombing.

The Hezzies are holing up in bunkers. Israel requested bunker busters. As long as there is an air campaign, the hezzies pop up, shoot a rocket or 300 and go back and hide. Meanwhile Israel paints where it is coming from and fires off a barrage.

Once the bunker busters are in place, after dropping 20 or 30 of them, the hezzies are going to run for the hills, well at least whatever is left of them.

The goal here of the left and Iran/Syria is to get a cease fire before the bombs arrive in the Israeli arsenal. because one the bombs are dropped, this will be over in 24-48 hours.


4 posted on 07/29/2006 12:27:12 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: johnny7
YADAYADYDA!

I never read the NYT anymore, even when posted on FR.

5 posted on 07/29/2006 12:27:31 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: johnny7



Hezbollah, Sheik Nasrallah has said, “needs only to survive to win.” That seemed increasingly likely by week’s end. Deeply entwined among the Shiite community that makes up perhaps 40 percent of Lebanon’s population, it would be impossible to eliminate



There is going to come a time, when the concept of genocide and total war are going to have to be rethought.


6 posted on 07/29/2006 12:27:36 PM PDT by Dreagon
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To: MNJohnnie

Good point.


7 posted on 07/29/2006 12:31:31 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (NUTS!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

As Rush has said, the liberal media reports not what happened, but what they wish had happened.


8 posted on 07/29/2006 12:31:54 PM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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To: johnny7
As the bloodbath in Lebanon spilled past its second week

The NYTimes is looking for a spot on their own bestseller list with this pretentious rhetoric.

9 posted on 07/29/2006 12:32:26 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Hurricane season 2006 - Be prepared and have a plan)
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To: Mr. Mojo

If they use the same tactics we do, they will have the same problems. Israel should pull back and level every village within 20 miles of the border.


10 posted on 07/29/2006 12:33:25 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: johnny7

Oh boy. More lib wishful thinking from the Old Gray Enemy of the Republic.


11 posted on 07/29/2006 12:33:34 PM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: Mr. Mojo
The problem with the war on terror are the current rules of engagement. The most powerful weapon for terrorists is hiding behind non armed people because they know that they can be well protected since our rules of engagement (also that of Israel) are meant to reduce the number of non armed people killed to an absolute minimum and hence this restrain them from using overwhelming force that can annihilate the terrorists. Unless a new rule of engagement are set up, i.e less consideration from non armed people killed, then this war on terror will take much longer time.
12 posted on 07/29/2006 12:33:35 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: johnny7

More islamofascist and leftist RAT talking points.


13 posted on 07/29/2006 12:34:45 PM PDT by Mr.Smorch (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: BunnySlippers
Real infuriating how the Left has so corrupted the language. 3000 dead Americans and all we hear is "the Tragedy of 9-11". It wasn't a tragedy, it was an atrocity. Then we have 400 dead. mostly terrorists or their supporters, in two weeks of combat and it is called a "Bloodbath". Get a bleedin' grip NY Drama Queens!
14 posted on 07/29/2006 12:41:11 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: johnny7

Hate to say it but predictably Israel will cease to exist in 25 or 30 years. Right now if not for Bush and Blair Israel would be overrun. Eventually we'll get a leader who will throw Israel to the wolves. The population of Israel is about 5M, while surrounded by enemies and few allies the odds against them are overwhelming. Check out American DemocRAT Jewish politicians who only give lukewarm support to the State of Israel.


15 posted on 07/29/2006 12:42:46 PM PDT by KenmcG414
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To: MNJohnnie
How about accusing our soldiers of "atrocities", then claiming when terrorists blow up civilians, that they are "winning".

Pure propaganda.
16 posted on 07/29/2006 12:44:01 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Mr.Smorch

Talking heads, regardless of what dino media. Israel is the strongest power in the mideast, and if they choose yet once again to come to some 'agreement' they will cease to exist. 50 years past due, they should have obliterated their enemy. Same goes for the U.S. action in Iraq. Peace is obtained thru superior firepower-and using it.


17 posted on 07/29/2006 12:45:39 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: johnny7
Israel Is Powerful, Yes. But Not So Invincible.

Please tell me that was not the actual headline.

18 posted on 07/29/2006 12:45:41 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A propensity to hope and joy is real riches; one to fear and sorrow, real poverty)
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To: johnny7

19 posted on 07/29/2006 12:47:33 PM PDT by Spirochete
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To: paul51

Israel should pull back and level every village within 20 miles of the border. Now THAT is the
message Secretary Rice should deliver to all the parties in the ME.


20 posted on 07/29/2006 12:49:05 PM PDT by DCMB (Bless GWB and all our troops)
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To: johnny7

The MSM is salivating at the notion that Israel may be having a problem. IMHO: Israel wants them to believe just that.


21 posted on 07/29/2006 12:50:41 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999-TNS)
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To: johnny7

If Olmert would ignore the UN, Europe, American liberals and the American media and take the gloves off, we'd see how invincible Israel's military is against these turbans. The problem is they're being made to fight while kept on a leash. If Israel were to wage total war on these animals, the Slimes would have to be singing a different tune.

So now it's not enough for the New York Times to give terrorists our security secrets, now they've got to echo their propaganda and be cheerleaders for them as well??


22 posted on 07/29/2006 12:52:59 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting out of anger in November is a vote for Nancy Pelosi as Speaker of the House)
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To: johnny7
"IDF forces killed at least 50 Hizbullah operatives and wounded hundreds on Friday during the intense firefight [at Bint Jbail]. Most of the wounded operatives were from Hizbullah's special forces and had come to the village to shore up the regular Hizbullah guerrillas there.

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23 posted on 07/29/2006 12:53:18 PM PDT by yoe
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To: Mike Darancette

Agree with you 100%. Maybe the Hezzies will come out and
start celebrating just when a 500 lb. bomb is on its way.


24 posted on 07/29/2006 12:54:27 PM PDT by DCMB (Bless GWB and all our troops)
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To: Westlander

This is a perfect opportunity to obliterate the iranian catspaw, hezbollah. If they fail, the prospects for Israel are not good. Handing the Iranians a victory would mean that the next "crisis" would involve bigger hezzie rockets that would go faster and farther, and have WMD in the nose cone. Talk about an existential threat.


25 posted on 07/29/2006 12:55:20 PM PDT by Mr.Smorch (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: johnny7

The New York Times has become no better than the "newspapers" Goebbles used to oversee.


26 posted on 07/29/2006 1:02:28 PM PDT by kjo
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To: johnny7

Does it mention how many Israeli's have died or how many Israeli's are basically refugees in their bunkers?? Of course not, that would be balanced and fair reporting... we gotta make this sound as one-sided as possible.. it is the NY Terrorist Tip Sheet after all.


27 posted on 07/29/2006 1:06:45 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: KenmcG414
I am also worry about the warsaw like ghettoization of Israel jews by the islamofascists. The world and the DemocRATs and their Cindy Sheehan (Joseph Goebbels) poisonous mantra--chant "Israel needs to get out of Palestine" speech is spreading throughout the world.
28 posted on 07/29/2006 1:06:58 PM PDT by FreeRep
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To: Mr.Smorch

Thank You.

The Mongols cut the right ear off of each fallen European in order to count the dead; supposedly they filled nine sackfuls.

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29 posted on 07/29/2006 1:09:57 PM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: johnny7

More wishful thinking from the anti-semites at the New York Times.


30 posted on 07/29/2006 1:28:00 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: johnny7

A tiny country of 3 million people, surrounded by mortal enemies, is not "invincible"??? Golly, NYT, where'd ya get the clue?


31 posted on 07/29/2006 1:29:40 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: johnny7

There is an easy way out for Hezbollah.

Throw down arms and surrender.

The Israelis do not have that option.

It is their duty to pick up all the arms that were thrown down, and round up the demoralized Hezbollah jihadists, to be marched off to some detention center until Iran or Syria asks for them back.

The Israelis then may offer to trade them for the two Israeli soldiers that were captured, setting off the chain of events of the past couple weeks.


32 posted on 07/29/2006 1:32:22 PM PDT by alloysteel (My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling, but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places.)
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To: Westlander
The Mongols cut the right ear off of each fallen European in order to count the dead; supposedly they filled nine sackfuls.

That could have kept Mike Tyson well fed for months.

33 posted on 07/29/2006 1:33:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: yoe

Here is a gem, found in the NYTIMes no less:

“Hezbollah came to Ain Ebel to shoot its rockets,” said Fayad Hanna Amar, a young Christian man, referring to his village. “They are shooting from between our houses.” “Please,’’ he added, “write that in your newspaper.”

... Many Christians from Ramesh and Ain Ebel considered Hezbollah’s fighting methods as much of an outrage as the Israeli strikes. Mr. Amar said Hezbollah fighters in groups of two and three had come into Ain Ebel, less than a mile from Bint Jbail, where most of the fighting has occurred. They were using it as a base to shoot rockets, he said, and the Israelis fired back.

One woman, who would not give her name because she had a government job and feared retribution, said Hezbollah fighters had killed a man who was trying to leave Bint Jbail. “This is what’s happening, but no one wants to say it” for fear of Hezbollah, she said.


34 posted on 07/29/2006 1:47:05 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: JennysCool; EQAndyBuzz

While watching Fox this afternoon and listening to these B-Team reporters talking about how Israel is losing the War, I thought to myself, "If the hezzies are truly winning, why in the h*ll are you not reporting from Lebanon (where the winning side lives)?" Notice that they are all in ISRAEL... where they are relatively safe!

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35 posted on 07/29/2006 1:48:01 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: KenmcG414

"Hate to say it but predictably Israel will cease to exist in 25 or 30 years."

I might agree if not for one little thing...the Bible. The Bible clearly predicted the recreation of Israel and it happened after 2500 years of not being in existance. The Bible is clear that once Israel is recreated it will never ever cease to exist again. Yes, at sometime the entire world will turn against Israel and will try to wipe them off the map but that's when Jesus will return and put a stop to it. He'll then setup His kingdom in Jerusalem. Israel will never cease to exist.


36 posted on 07/29/2006 1:55:14 PM PDT by My GOP
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To: yoe

thanks 4 the links ping


37 posted on 07/29/2006 2:03:34 PM PDT by steel_resolve (Do you know what a bigot is? Someone winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: johnny7

"The very clear winner, for the moment at least, was Hezbollah and its leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah."

This New York Times writer is so mistaken that reading his words causes one to laugh. How can *anyone* claim that Hezbollah is winning this war, when Israeli forces are steadily decimating Hezbollah's infrastructure in Lebanon? Yes, Hezbollah forces are fighting back-- as expected; vicious terrorists do not just lay down and die. However, the proper criterion for Israel's success in this war is not destroying all resistance right away; it is killing Hezbollah personnel, destroying their infrastructure, and maintaining costant pressure against them. By these criteria, Israel has been doing quite well.

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38 posted on 07/29/2006 2:56:30 PM PDT by G. Stolyarov II (http://rationalargumentator.com)
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To: NautiNurse

The NYTimes is recycling its reporting from 1993 when warfare in the southern region led 200,000 Arabs to flee, and again in 1996 when more than 500,000 fled. In fact the occupants of the Southern region know the drill very well, and know what to expect when Israel is attacked by Hizbollah forces.


39 posted on 07/29/2006 3:19:25 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: KenmcG414

Eventually we'll get a leader who will throw Israel to the wolves.

Why does John Kerry come to mind?


40 posted on 07/29/2006 3:23:21 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: KenmcG414

Israel will cease to exist in 25 or 30 years.

If that should happen I think we'll also see oil storage in flames. We'll see the end of revenue for some Arab countries and we'll see millions homeless, millions starving and millions dead. Israel isn't going to go that easily. Count on it.


41 posted on 07/29/2006 3:27:07 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Joan Kerrey

"Israel will cease to exist in 25 or 30 years"

Not as likely as Mecca and Medina being uninhabitable for 250,000 years or so.


The Israelis aren't going anywhere.


42 posted on 07/29/2006 4:08:09 PM PDT by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: KenmcG414

You'r probably right. It must be a difficult place to raise children and maintain a normal life.


43 posted on 07/30/2006 9:10:07 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: MNJohnnie
Real infuriating how the Left has so corrupted the language. 3000 dead Americans and all we hear is "the Tragedy of 9-11". It wasn't a tragedy, it was an atrocity. Then we have 400 dead. mostly terrorists or their supporters, in two weeks of combat and it is called a "Bloodbath". Get a bleedin' grip NY Drama Queens!

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44 posted on 07/30/2006 9:26:28 AM PDT by Polybius
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