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'Psalm in a bog' Linked To Israel's Current War - Scripture find in Ireland
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | By Joe Kovacs

Posted on 07/29/2006 7:36:51 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2

'Psalm in a bog' linked to Israel's current war

By Joe Kovacs © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

The "miraculous" find of ancient psalms in an Irish bog has some wondering if there's any special modern relevance, since the discovery dealt with the enemies of Israel attempting to destroy the nation.

A construction worker in Ireland came across the ancient 20-page book dated to the years 800-1000 A.D. while driving his backhoe's shovel into the mud last week. Experts say it's impossible to say how the manuscript ended up there, but speculate it may have been lost in transit or dumped after a raid some 1,000 to 1,200 years ago.

The National Museum of Ireland issued a statement saying, "In discovery terms, this Irish equivalent to the Dead Sea Scrolls is being hailed by the museum's experts as the greatest find ever from a European bog."

"It is not so much the fragments themselves, but what they represent, that is of such staggering importance," said the museum's director, Pat Wallace. "In my wildest hopes, I could only have dreamed of a discovery as fragile and rare as this. It testifies to the incredible richness of the Early Christian civilization of this island and to the greatness of ancient Ireland."

Wallace called it a "miracle find," telling the Associated Press, "it's unlikely that something this fragile could survive buried in a bog at all, and then for it to be unearthed and spotted before it was destroyed is incalculably more amazing."

But it's the fact the book was discovered opened to Psalm 83 that is attracting attention across the globe.

The ancient psalm deals with a plea to God not to let the enemies of Israel eradicate God's chosen nation.

Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. (Psalm 83:1-4)

It then lists a number of Israel's ancient enemies bent on its destruction.

Stan Goodenough, a South African journalist living in Israel for the past 12 years calls the timing of the discovery "incredible."

For right now Israel's enemies are again united in their desire to "cut Israel off from being a nation, that the name of Israel may be remembered no more." They purpose to take for themselves the "pastures of God for a possession." And that they are in league – or in a confederacy – is clear.

From Gaza, supported by most of the Arab states, the violence is being directed by the Palestinian Arab terrorist groups: the PLO, Hamas, the Palestine Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front For the Liberation of Palestine and the popular resistance Committees.

In the north, the Lebanese group [Hezbollah], supplied and enabled by Syria and the non-Arab but also Islamic Iran, is raining rockets down on Israel.

This, given the current situation, makes Psalm 83 a fascinating and fitting read, the ancient find nothing short of a phenomenon.

Goodenough points out the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1947, just as the modern state of Israel was being formed.

The bog find was heralded by the museum on Tuesday, one day after a call for global prayer on behalf of Israel. Psalm 83 was one of three psalms recited at locations worldwide Tuesday at the request of the governing council of Israel's Chief Rabbinate.

In his book, "Israel in Crisis," author David Dolan dedicates an entire chapter to Psalm 83.

"I detail who the protagonists are in the psalm, and then go on to talk about when it might be fulfilled," he told WND.

The website A Christian Witness previously put Psalm 83 into a musical Flash presentation, demonstrating how timely the ancient song is with news images documenting the current threat facing Israel, linking the ancient peoples mentioned in the psalm to modern political states.

Messageboards are filled with comments of news watchers who feel there's a timely significance to the discovery, while others think it's mere coincidence.

"This is the eeriest discovery I've ever heard of, especially given current events. It actually sends chills up my spine."

"I have read Psalms many times, and never has it just about screamed its relevance to the Middle East. God is really speaking to us through His Word right nowif we'll listen."

"I think this is one of the best news stories that I have read in quite some time. Those who seek Him, find Him. To those of us who believe, this is very uplifting!"

"For this to have been an act of God, God would have to have been all-knowing, foreseen this very conflict roughly 1,000 years before it occurred, foreseen the bog market, foreseen the use of power tools, foreseen the individual working the equipment and ensured this particular one was working that part of that bog that day, have created the book of its various parts (leather, the paper within) in the first place, have placed it in that place for 1,000 years of earthquakes and various other acts of God, foreseen the person who purchased the land would happen to be of the save artifacts mindset (not common among money-hungry landowners) and foreseen the need to it open to that page on that day. I don't know, seems all haphazard to me."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bog; bookofpsalms; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; ireland; israel; psalm83; psalm84; psalter; timelyfind
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1 posted on 07/29/2006 7:36:52 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

I'm convinced that this find is a sign. At first hearing this story, Mr. JustaDumbBlonde and I just looked at each other with our jaws dropped. It has to be a sign.


2 posted on 07/29/2006 7:40:58 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (The Democrat party is a bomb-throwing, political terrorist organization)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

for God nothing is impossible.. he is the master of time... and he created us. It's like writing a piece of software.. our DNA is the source code.


3 posted on 07/29/2006 7:41:57 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: All
A great little presentation with music and visuals on Psalm 83 can be viewed at: CLICK HERE
4 posted on 07/29/2006 7:47:55 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2; JustaDumbBlonde; Cinnamon
Not quite. According to the Irish Museum

The Psalm the book was open to was Psalm 83 in the Vulgate version. Howver, that Psalm in the King James version is Psalm 84. Psalm 83 in the KJV, on the Destruction of Israel was Psalm 82, in the Vulgate.

5 posted on 07/29/2006 7:48:42 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Iam1ru1-2
The "miraculous" find of ancient psalms in an Irish bog has some wondering if there's any special modern relevance...

Doubt it. Old things are found all the time.

What do you think archaeologists do for a living?

6 posted on 07/29/2006 7:49:47 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: All
Try this link: LINK
7 posted on 07/29/2006 7:50:20 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
since the discovery dealt with the enemies of Israel attempting to destroy the nation

Wow, the OT writing was opened to A PAGE that dealt with Israel being at war??? While modern day Israel is at war, none the less?? What are the odds of that? /sarc

8 posted on 07/29/2006 7:51:12 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20)
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To: Coyoteman

Why don't you try reading the entire article before making a complete blithering idiot of yourself!!


9 posted on 07/29/2006 7:51:52 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Why don't you try reading the entire article before making a complete blithering idiot of yourself!!

Did.

I'm an archaeologist, so I don't go off on flights of fancy like the author of the article.

Gotta stick to facts and all that stuff, you know.

10 posted on 07/29/2006 7:54:16 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
The Psalm the book was open to was Psalm 83 in the Vulgate version. Howver, that Psalm in the King James version is Psalm 84. Psalm 83 in the KJV, on the Destruction of Israel was Psalm 82, in the Vulgate.

Ahh. I appreciate your injection of factuality into the airy fairy weirdness of apocalyptic speculation! Thanks! (PS -- are you any relation to Leopold Bloom?)

11 posted on 07/29/2006 7:54:18 PM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Wow! Wow! Wow!!!!


12 posted on 07/29/2006 7:56:01 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Well, Watson, we seem to have fallen upon evil days.")
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To: Iam1ru1-2
They seem to have decided it was actually a different psalm visible. See this link from the Israel National News for more information.
13 posted on 07/29/2006 7:56:20 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come...)
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To: kerryusama04
"Wow, the OT writing was opened to A PAGE that dealt with Israel being at war??? While modern day Israel is at war, none the less?? What are the odds of that? /sarc"

Better than consulting mediums and spirits of the dead. Isa 8:19

14 posted on 07/29/2006 7:57:21 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
I'm convinced that this find is a sign.

And if this isn't a sign, you might want to change your screen name. Either way I'd change it anyway.

15 posted on 07/29/2006 8:00:33 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Great post, Wow!


16 posted on 07/29/2006 8:01:03 PM PDT by FreeRep
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To: Coyoteman

Well, the person who found this ancient writing wasn't on an archaeological dig when he found it:

A construction worker in Ireland came across the ancient 20-page book dated to the years 800-1000 A.D. while driving his backhoe's shovel into the mud last week.

Does this sound like an archaeologist on a relic finding dig? You may have read it, but nothing seems to have been absorbed. It's one thing to eat something, it's another thing to absorb it.


17 posted on 07/29/2006 8:01:27 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: TomSmedley
(PS -- are you any relation to Leopold Bloom?)

Nope. A may be distantly related to Moses Ri-tooral-i-ay, if that's based on a real incident or person.

I'm Celtic by folkloric and musical inclination, as well as by marriage.

18 posted on 07/29/2006 8:01:37 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Celtjew Libertarian; TomSmedley

"A may" = "I may"


19 posted on 07/29/2006 8:02:33 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

Talk about the perfect thread for you...


20 posted on 07/29/2006 8:02:45 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Coyoteman

You could always post your jawbone spam...?


21 posted on 07/29/2006 8:04:32 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Better than consulting mediums and spirits of the dead. Isa 8:19

It worked so well for King Saul that we have an entire market for it now!

22 posted on 07/29/2006 8:04:45 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (Isa 8:20)
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To: TomSmedley
"Ahh. I appreciate your injection of factuality into the airy fairy weirdness of apocalyptic speculation! Thanks! (PS -- are you any relation to Leopold Bloom?)"

Ah, I think your tagline says it all. You're one of those Polyanna types that think mankind is going to usher in peace into the world and then the Messiah will come....no such thing as The Tribulation, The Mellenium, Judgement, Hell, Satan. It's all in the mind, RIGHT?

23 posted on 07/29/2006 8:04:51 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2; JustaDumbBlonde
New Found Book Of Psalms Doesn't Predict Doom, Experts Say
24 posted on 07/29/2006 8:06:29 PM PDT by blam
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To: kerryusama04
Wow, the OT writing was opened to A PAGE that dealt with Israel being at war??? While modern day Israel is at war, none the less?? What are the odds of that? /sarc

War, in the Middle East? Never saw that coming...

25 posted on 07/29/2006 8:06:55 PM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
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To: kerryusama04
"It worked so well for King Saul that we have an entire market for it now!"

I rest my case!!

26 posted on 07/29/2006 8:07:36 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
If you want to talk about faith.

How about those who believe this is all an accident of entropy? Stupreme faith in absurdity? Or just once again the nature of the way we were created with FREE WILL to choose, even wrongly.

What is the value of the gift from a slave, compared to a gift given freely by the FREE?
islime IS SLAVERY! Free the slaves! They have no free will! They cannot give freely to GOD!

27 posted on 07/29/2006 8:11:54 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl! *-0(:~{>)
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To: blam

Who said anything about doom and gloom. Try reading Ezekiel 38. God will supernaturally intervene on behalf of "The Apple of His Eye" Israel, and destroy the muslim/arab coalition along with Russia. And from the looks of things, this may lead to the fullfilment of that prophecy.


28 posted on 07/29/2006 8:11:58 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Well, the person who found this ancient writing wasn't on an archaeological dig when he found it:

A construction worker in Ireland came across the ancient 20-page book dated to the years 800-1000 A.D. while driving his backhoe's shovel into the mud last week.

Does this sound like an archaeologist on a relic finding dig? You may have read it, but nothing seems to have been absorbed. It's one thing to eat something, it's another thing to absorb it.

I read the article.

The fact that somebody backhoes out something from underground does not impress me. Happens all the time. I dig things up myself all the time.

If you want to make something mystical about the page to which this find was opened, be my guest. It had to be open to some page, or closed. No big deal either way--unless you have some evidence that the article does not mention.

29 posted on 07/29/2006 8:13:23 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: rawcatslyentist

What are you on?


30 posted on 07/29/2006 8:13:28 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Coyoteman

You must be one of those who believe in evolution because it seems everything to you is by accident, not by providence.


31 posted on 07/29/2006 8:15:21 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
the discovery dealt with the enemies of Israel attempting to destroy the nation.

Which would be business as usual at any point since this thing was written.

32 posted on 07/29/2006 8:15:31 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Former Catholic, current atheist pro-lifer)
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To: Iam1ru1-2; All
Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai said, "If you are planting a tree and someone yells, 'The Messiah has come!' first finish planting the tree. Then go see if it's the Messiah."

If you -- and, possibly, the Messiah -- will excuse me, I have a lot of "trees" to plant.

33 posted on 07/29/2006 8:19:57 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: agrace; sasha123

UPDATE... Psalm found is not King James 83 rather 84.


34 posted on 07/29/2006 8:21:29 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Iam1ru1-2
You're one of those Polyanna types that think mankind is going to usher in peace into the world and then the Messiah will come....no such thing as The Tribulation, The Mellenium, Judgement, Hell, Satan. It's all in the mind, RIGHT?

And you are one of those cheerleaders for Satan's team who holds God's grace in contempt, and anticipates no long-run victory over the world, the flesh, and the devil this side of the eschaton. Whose "gospel" consists of nothing but spiritual masturbation, and speculative mind-games, since it has no application to real-world issues today.

Tell you what -- you can ahead and amuse yourself by playing iwth yourself in the corner, exciting yourself with ever-more extravagant fantasies. I have a God to serve, and a world to serve Him in, instructions on what He wants, and the confidence that those who serve Him can enjoy His blessings in this life as well as the next.

Maybe, if you want to be REALLY spiritual, you can live on a pillar in the desert!

The Tribulation is historical fact, the prophetic seal on the authenticity of our Lord's ministry. The millenium is the present reign of the saints. The Last Day will bring about the resurrection of the dead, and the life everlasting, Amen. Meanwhile, let the dead bury the dead. The living have work to do.

But historical fact is so BORING when compared to apocalyptic speculation. And if God Himself has ordained the failure of His Gospel and His people within history, then I have a perfect excuse for personal mediocrity. The kind of mediocrity which almost universally characterizes CHristian endeavor today.

35 posted on 07/29/2006 8:24:12 PM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Just mythoughts

You're update is about to be ignored.


36 posted on 07/29/2006 8:25:19 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (If you're planting a tree and someone yells, 'The Messiah has come!' first finish planting the tree.)
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To: Darkwolf377
"Which would be business as usual at any point since this thing was written."

You must have been living in a cave. Israel didn't even exist for over 1500 years until June of 1948, so it wasn't "business as usual since this thing was written, which shows to go ya that you don't know much about Israel's history.

37 posted on 07/29/2006 8:26:13 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai said, "If you are planting a tree and someone yells, 'The Messiah has come!' first finish planting the tree. Then go see if it's the Messiah."

When a people missed the coming of their Messiah, it's not too hard to reply with such a statement. It's probably his way of suggesting that the Messiah will never come.

38 posted on 07/29/2006 8:28:37 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
You must be one of those who believe in evolution because it seems everything to you is by accident, not by providence.

I do archaeology for a living. I stick to facts and good, well researched theory.

If I go off on a tangent (hypothesis or speculation) in one of my reports, it has some good basis to it, and you can be sure it is identified as such.

And your comment about "belief" is unfounded. Scientists stick to facts and theory, things about which we can have some confidence.

Religion is more likely to be associated with belief or faith.

39 posted on 07/29/2006 8:28:38 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Iam1ru1-2

The strangest thing aboutthe new psalm was the last line of it which roughly trandlates into "Bush's fault".


40 posted on 07/29/2006 8:29:37 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian

??????


41 posted on 07/29/2006 8:29:49 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Iam1ru1-2
"It worked so well for King Saul that we have an entire market for it now!"

I rest my case!!

Then why your fascination with prognostication? With using God's holy Word for the unholy purpose of fortune telling, divination, rather than as His manual for living?

42 posted on 07/29/2006 8:30:05 PM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Coyoteman
"Religion is more likely to be associated with belief or faith."

You have not been keeping up with tha latest find about "Irreducible Complexity" have you. It take a great deal more faith to believe what "scientists" are purporting to be "fact" when in their innermost being, all they're doing to find things which back up their "evilution THEORY"......even if they have to make things out of whole cloth, which all of what they say about evilution is. Archaeologists usually keep an open mind, but atheist archaeologists are completely closed mind about anything that might result in Divine Intervention or miracles.

43 posted on 07/29/2006 8:34:41 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
Check upthread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1674486/posts

44 posted on 07/29/2006 8:35:36 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Just mythoughts
Just about everyone who is convinced that this finding is of religious significance, is ignoring the fact that they got a hold of the WRONG BLESSED PSALM and are simply going to ignore your post.
45 posted on 07/29/2006 8:36:32 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (If you're planting a tree and someone yells, 'The Messiah has come!' first finish planting the tree.)
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To: TomSmedley
"Then why your fascination with prognostication? "

You seem to be confused with "prophecy" and "prognostication". Prognostication is something people do WITHOUT God's revelation. Prophecy is GOD HIMSELF telling mankind what He's going to do through prophets who GOD HIMSELF have appointed to deliver these prophecies, thus the title "prophets".

46 posted on 07/29/2006 8:38:08 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2
When a people missed the coming of their Messiah, it's not too hard to reply with such a statement. It's probably his way of suggesting that the Messiah will never come.

Suffice to say, I don't think Jesus was the Messiah. I could give a why or two, but I don't feel like starting a flamewar.

Suffice to say that Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai's comment is part of a philosophy that God put us on Earth to do good on Earth. When God is ready to send the Messiah, He will send the Messiah. Until then, we continue to do what God put us here for.

Too many people have wasted too much of their lives, doing nothing but sitting on their elbows, waiting for the Messiah to come -- whether or not, it's the Messiah's first or second arrival. If you ask me, it's an unholy wastefulness of the life God gave people.

47 posted on 07/29/2006 8:39:30 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian (If you're planting a tree and someone yells, 'The Messiah has come!' first finish planting the tree.)
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To: Seruzawa
"roughly trandlates into "Bush's fault"."

Some might venture to say it began with the "Burning Bush".

48 posted on 07/29/2006 8:39:31 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: Iam1ru1-2

"Israel didn't even exist for over 1500 years until June of 1948,"

To be even more precise, about 1,878 years.


49 posted on 07/29/2006 8:39:48 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: Iam1ru1-2
It's not that I'm surprised there are people as thick as you; I'm just always amazed at how proud they are that they're so thick.

You're talking about Israel as we know it now. This relic which you are so ready to believe is, by your own standard, false because it refers to a state that didn't exist at the time of its writing.

But of course, the land of Israel, the land of the children referenced in the Bible re:Jacob, has existed for thousands of years.

Next time you're waving that Bible around and trying to look so damned smart, you might try opening it and actually reading it. You won't completely embarass yourself.

50 posted on 07/29/2006 8:40:13 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Former Catholic, current atheist pro-lifer)
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