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The Secretive (Not any more) Fight Against Bioterror
Wash Compost ^

Posted on 07/29/2006 11:16:47 PM PDT by hipaatwo

The government is building a highly classified facility to research biological weapons, but its closed-door approach has raised concerns.

On the grounds of a military base an hour's drive from the capital, the Bush administration is building a massive biodefense laboratory unlike any seen since biological weapons were banned 34 years ago.

The heart of the lab is a cluster of sealed chambers built to contain the world's deadliest bacteria and viruses. There, scientists will spend their days simulating the unthinkable: bioterrorism attacks in the form of lethal anthrax spores rendered as wispy powders that can drift for miles on a summer breeze, or common viruses turned into deadly superbugs that ordinary drugs and vaccines cannot stop.

The work at this new lab, at Fort Detrick, Md., could someday save thousands of lives -- or, some fear, create new risks and place the United States in violation of international treaties. In either case, much of what transpires at the National Biodefense Analysis and Countermeasures Center (NBACC) may never be publicly known, because the Bush administration intends to operate the facility largely in secret.

In an unusual arrangement, the building itself will be classified as highly restricted space, from the reception desk to the lab benches to the cages where animals are kept. Few federal facilities, including nuclear labs, operate with such stealth. It is this opacity that some arms-control experts say has become a defining characteristic of U.S. biodefense policy as carried out by the Department of Homeland Security, NBACC's creator.

Since the department's founding in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks, its officials have dramatically expanded the government's ability to conduct realistic tests of the pathogens and tactics that might be used in a bioterrorism attack.

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Some of the research falls within what many arms-control experts say is a legal gray zone, skirting the edges of an international treaty outlawing the production of even small amounts of biological weapons.
1 posted on 07/29/2006 11:16:49 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo
This lab is less than 15 miles from where I live, and I really don't appreciate the Washington Post exposing this critical operation to help keep us safe.

The Left is treasonous, there is no other explanation for their willingness to expose our national security secrets

2 posted on 07/29/2006 11:21:35 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: Mo1; Peach; sageb1; Knitting A Conundrum; RDTF; SE Mom; Txsleuth; AliVeritas; Bahbah

Ping


3 posted on 07/29/2006 11:23:08 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Kofi anti-Semite who sucks up to Arab dictators and presides over UN choking on its own filth-JPod)
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To: MJY1288

Looks like it's a 2 parter. More tomorrow.


4 posted on 07/29/2006 11:23:42 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Kofi anti-Semite who sucks up to Arab dictators and presides over UN choking on its own filth-JPod)
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To: hipaatwo

Gee, anthrax ... anthrax - wasn't there something about anthrax one time?

I've always harbored a notion that this came from Iraq, and we knew it but couldn't actually prove it - hence WMD.

Maybe I should teach a course on Islam at Wisconson.


5 posted on 07/29/2006 11:26:13 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: hipaatwo

Wouldn't one have to culture "bugs" to do research on cures and vaccines? If this is true, and if this would be banned under treaties, then we have a problem (US vs treaties).


6 posted on 07/29/2006 11:27:04 PM PDT by PghBaldy (The Unabomber & Eric Rudolph were lone individuals who committed terrorist acts)
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To: hipaatwo
I think it's about time we put a few of these editors and reporters in jail for this crap. National security secrets do not fall under the umbrella of free speech, publishing them is against the law and it's about time this law is enforced
7 posted on 07/29/2006 11:28:40 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: MJY1288

I give up, I really do. Might as well live our lives to the fullest, enjoy what is bad for us and party like its 1999 because the press is going to get us killed.


8 posted on 07/29/2006 11:29:57 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Kofi anti-Semite who sucks up to Arab dictators and presides over UN choking on its own filth-JPod)
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To: dr_lew

... or Wisconsin ... whatever!


9 posted on 07/29/2006 11:29:59 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

LOL it's late, I didn't even notice the typo.


10 posted on 07/29/2006 11:30:46 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Kofi anti-Semite who sucks up to Arab dictators and presides over UN choking on its own filth-JPod)
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To: hipaatwo
" because the Bush administration intends to operate the facility largely in secret"

Won't remain secret for much longer if the treasonous, Al Qaueda loving Washington Post has anything to say about it.
11 posted on 07/29/2006 11:31:40 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: hipaatwo

Ft. Detrick was mentioned numerous times during the post-9/11 anthrax scares. Maybe the level of detail here is new news, but the identity and location of the facility is not.


12 posted on 07/29/2006 11:32:34 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jameison

Not secret anymore. Dems will be wailing by Monday.


13 posted on 07/29/2006 11:35:22 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Kofi anti-Semite who sucks up to Arab dictators and presides over UN choking on its own filth-JPod)
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To: hipaatwo

Fort Detrick, the home of questionable experimentation.


14 posted on 07/29/2006 11:36:50 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: hipaatwo
I truly believe it will take a Nuclear attack before these demagogues get it

Below is a link to a little over an hour documentary that should open everyone's eyes. But I doubt it will

OBSESSION

15 posted on 07/29/2006 11:36:56 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: hipaatwo
The government is building a highly classified facility to research biological weapons, but its closed-door approach has raised concerns.

Among terrorists.

16 posted on 07/29/2006 11:37:19 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Former Catholic, current atheist pro-lifer)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Doesn't matter. The article already claims it's a legal gray area and International blah blah, that's what this is all about. Bush the most secret President ever! MSM/Dem mantra.

Doesn't matter he's trying to save lives, it's that they view him more dangerous than any terrorist.


17 posted on 07/29/2006 11:37:44 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Kofi anti-Semite who sucks up to Arab dictators and presides over UN choking on its own filth-JPod)
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To: MJY1288

Thanks for the link. I saw parts of the movie on Vanity and Wimp but none of it surprised me. I've known about this for a long time. Being Jewish I was taught early how they feel about us.


18 posted on 07/29/2006 11:39:17 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Kofi anti-Semite who sucks up to Arab dictators and presides over UN choking on its own filth-JPod)
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To: hipaatwo
Some of the research falls within what many arms-control experts say is a legal gray zone, skirting the edges of an international treaty outlawing the production of even small amounts of biological weapons.

It is an interesting grey area that hinges on the definition of an infectious biological agent as a weapon, even when it isn't being made for deployment as a weapon.

Intent and the safeguards against abuse make all the difference. In our hands, I trust that the agents are being used for the purpose of combatting bioweapons. In the hands of most other countries, I'd be less understanding. Russia worries me some. I doubt they've stopped research in actually weaponizing biological agents. China and every Muslim country are also highly suspect. Ourselves, I'm sure we've designed our fair share of bioweapons in the process of trying to figure out how to counter them. I don't think we're currently building bioweapons for deployment though. Bioweapons are finicky and hard to control. They're typically weapons of genocide.

19 posted on 07/29/2006 11:39:50 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: RegulatorCountry
This secret work could be done at any number of facilities, letting our enemies where it is being conducted is an act of treason..... Plain and simple
20 posted on 07/29/2006 11:40:11 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: dr_lew; All

"Gee, anthrax ... anthrax - wasn't there something about anthrax one time?

I've always harbored a notion that this came from Iraq, and we knew it but couldn't actually prove it - hence WMD"

I have posted this before, but your post reminded me of it.


This topic brings back a freeper post durring the anthrax incident after 9-11.I can't remember the freeper's name, but I won't forget this "theory" on the topic.

His(or her)post came up with this possible answer:

What if the anthrax letters were actually a not-so-subtle threat by Saddam after 9-11??

The reasons for the "mini" anthrax attack, was to threaten the Bush administration if we were going to invade Iraq, because of the tie-ins with Al-Queda and Saddam's BIG role in training them and letting them use Iraq as a "terrorist basic training site" to attack the US.

Saddam was playing the Oil-For-Food (OFF) thing, and had no way to retaliate against the US in any open attack that could be traced back to him.

Therefore, the Anthrax was the way to go. The US was still smarting from 9-11, had the "Gorelick Wall" still in place,Homeland Security was in BARELY underway, and we didn't have ANY idea if a large scale attack was already set to go here with nothing but a "GO" signal to set it off.

If you were the Bush administration at that time, how would you respond to a threat like that?? The airlines were all going broke because of so many people afraid to fly after the 9-11 attacks. Can you imagine a country wide coordinated anthrax attack, with the USPS as the main vehicle, and major ventalation systems in some of the larger buildings, and then in say the major public transportation systems ALL AT THE SAME TIME??

The Bush administration could have been "blackmailed" very easily by Saddam and Al-Queda, by saying they would do a full blown attack if Bush tried to pin the first attack on him. The attack would have been very hard to prove and connect it on Saddam and Al-Queda in the UN arena, due to the state of our intellegence apparatus at that time, and all the UN member countries involved in it, who could have also been "blackmailed" by Saddam and Al-Queda by threatening to expose them in the scandal if they didn't keep obstructing the US from gathering international support for the US and coalition almost certain retaliatory invasion because of the 9-11 and anthrax attacks.

The Bush adminisration could also NOT GO PUBLIC with this information. It would have devestated the US economy, not to mention the mass panic and fear. No US mail delivery for an extended period of time,due to the leaking of information like that is almost unimagionable. The incubation period alone is such an effective weapon, that by the time we realized that a wide spread attack had taken place,.....well let's just say it would be a major "problem".

And what if this "theory" really was true???

I would have to consider a major anthrax attack on the US in the WMD catagory. Why haven't we found out who did it yet?? IIRC, the "type" of anthrax used was only available to approximately four different locations in the world, with one of the four being in Iraq.


Can you imagine being President Bush, knowing what he knew, but not being able to go public with it?? Knowing for the VERY SURVIVAL OF THE US, HE HAD TO RETALIATE, or the "mudlums" would know they were on their way to our total destruction because we DID NOT RESPOND.

And worse yet, having to take all the crap he's taking since then, because the WMD reason given for our invasion of Iraq, didn't find ANY "Weapon's of Mass Destruction" in Iraq, according to the MSM, and the Dems, and all the Bush haters.

And one more thing before I close...can you imagine if some of the major Dem politial anti-Bush bunch DO know about the situation Bush is in because of his not being able to expose it as yet, and are using it AGAINST HIM by painting Bush as a liar with this NO-WMD's in Iraq, so Bush is a liar mantra??.....

Sorry for the "rant", but IMHO, I considered that freeper's post kinda interesting.....


21 posted on 07/29/2006 11:43:58 PM PDT by musicman
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To: MJY1288

The goings on at Ft. Detrick have been the subject of sometimes-fearful speculation, for quite some time. Even before 9/11. Remember Rense.com? Next thing you know, WaPo is going to be waxing paranoid about Plum Island.


22 posted on 07/29/2006 11:46:55 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: MJY1288; All

Out of here for the nite,I'm beat. Have a good one, see ya later today.


23 posted on 07/29/2006 11:50:17 PM PDT by hipaatwo (Kofi anti-Semite who sucks up to Arab dictators and presides over UN choking on its own filth-JPod)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I agree, but this is on a different level


24 posted on 07/29/2006 11:52:53 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: hipaatwo

Andromeda Strain - Captain Tripps


25 posted on 07/29/2006 11:53:24 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: hipaatwo

Gnite, Thanks for posting this


26 posted on 07/29/2006 11:53:30 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: MJY1288

It's been know for 10-20 years that Fort Detrick has had such facilities and handles very dangerous biological agents.

The BBC ran articles on the base in 2002 & the military even has a site about some of the things they do their http://www.usamriid.army.mil/



27 posted on 07/29/2006 11:54:55 PM PDT by RFC_Gal (There is no tagline)
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To: MJY1288

Ft Detrick hasn't exactly been a secret facility. It has been written up in any number of books and articles on germ warfare, and in articles on "hot zone" subjects like ebola. But it probably doesn't need to be advertised to those who might not know what it does.


28 posted on 07/29/2006 11:55:03 PM PDT by Pelham (McGuestWorkerProgram- Soon to serve over 1 billion Americans)
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To: Darkwolf377

Let me add: Among terrorist and their accomplices in the Media.


29 posted on 07/29/2006 11:55:51 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Pelham

True, but this operation was, so I agree with the last sentence of your post. They (The Washington Post) had no business printing these kinds of details


30 posted on 07/30/2006 12:02:37 AM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: MJY1288

IMHO, they're on the verge of recycling a few, old Clinton-era conspiracy theories, to feed leftwing hysteria (as if they're not completely unhinged already). Biodefense efforts are not new, and the expansion of those efforts is a necessity. Somewhat spooky and unfortunate, but still a necessity. If this were a Democrat administration, you wouldn't be reading this in the Washington Post. No breathless urgency about "secrecy," no handwringing over treaties potentially being broken.


31 posted on 07/30/2006 12:03:52 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: hipaatwo

The biggest problem in this country are the drama-seeking idiots who cannot go by without turning everything on this earth into one big article with an exclamation mark at the end. It's getting really beyond irritating. I can't wait until they begin to die off.


32 posted on 07/30/2006 12:15:20 AM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: MJY1288
and it's about time this law is enforced

We don't have the will to enforce laws against treason, national security or illegal immigration. Our focus is obesity, abolishing prayer, the Pledge, and the 10 Commandments. We condone national security leaks. It's the new American way.

33 posted on 07/30/2006 12:25:27 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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"We" ????

That does not include me or you, that only includes the Liberal Media in the country who will never root for our victory unless a Rat resides in the Oval Office

34 posted on 07/30/2006 12:28:53 AM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: dr_lew
I've always harbored a notion that this came from Iraq, and we knew it but couldn't actually prove it - hence WMD.

I'm on exactly the same page as you. I believe its the real reason we went into Iraq. Couldn't prove it, but also couldn't take the chance that Hussein did give the stuff to terrorists and would do it again.

35 posted on 07/30/2006 12:32:37 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Where you go with me, heaven will always be.)
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I truly believe it will take a Nuclear attack before these demagogues get it

Not even then, Mike. Not even then. They would repeat what they did after 9/11 -- howl that we "didn't connect the dots." They'll all point fingers every which way except in the right direction.

36 posted on 07/30/2006 12:34:34 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Where you go with me, heaven will always be.)
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To: musicman
You have brought to focus the WMD dilemma and why the DemonRATs continue to bring up the "Bush lied" BS. What is very scary is the fact that Saddams WMDs were moved and can still be used. The DemonRATs know about the WMDs but pretend that they never existed. They are exploiting this situation for maximum advantage. They know that President Bush cannot reveal the truth because of the secret nature of the information.

Because it is easy to find mistakes in any war, all the DemonRATs need to do is sit back and focus on the mistakes. They will not contribute to the effort and will even reveal secrets if they embarrass the Bush Administration. And so they play this dangerous game knowing that it puts our soldiers and innocent lives in jeopardy.

I am worried that Israel may be used as a testing ground for the use of Saddam's weapons. What is learned from Israel will be used against the United States.

All the while, the scheming DemonRATs instead of helping to fight the War on Terror have been turning American as well as world opinion against the Administration and the Republicans in power. They are hoping that this campaign being waged with their accomplices in the press will enable them to regain control of the Republic. They have calculated that the damage they cause will be minimal for the results they will gain. The ends justifies the means.
37 posted on 07/30/2006 2:25:13 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: hipaatwo; All
I have not posted this in a while-- FYI, FWIW:

Nuclear, Biological, & Chemical Warfare- Survival Skills, Pt. II

38 posted on 07/30/2006 2:44:05 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: hipaatwo

What can one say. As long as no price is ever paid for the revealing and publication of national security secrets, I would expect it to continue. Our government refuses, apparently, to do anything about it. We are only selectively a "nation of laws", which means we aren't a nation of laws at all.


39 posted on 07/30/2006 3:53:57 AM PDT by Bahbah (Yalla ya, Nasrallah, we'll send you off to Allah.)
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To: hipaatwo

There isn't a program the US has that the press won't talk about. And if we're hit with a terrorist attack again, I want us to place part of the blame directly at the feet of the media.


40 posted on 07/30/2006 4:03:23 AM PDT by Peach (Prayers for our dear friends in Israel.)
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To: hipaatwo

Is there any difference between this and the New York Times revealing things??


41 posted on 07/30/2006 4:30:04 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: hipaatwo

Reminds me of the stories of the 'not-so secret' bunker where the 'shadow government' was sent after the 9-11 attacks.

I still chuckle when I recall Tommy Daschle whining that he 'didn't know nothing about no secret bunker and shadow government' -- until someone whispered in his ear, 'you are standing in it.'

MSM even published some pix of the general bunker area.


42 posted on 07/30/2006 4:30:44 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: musicman
Just a small issue with your post- Homeland Security had not yet been created during the Anthrax Attacks. It was another year before the department was formed.

Personally I still think it was domestic terrorism. The use of the mail system was a sloppy disbursement method. Any intelligence office worth his/her salt would have known that the letters would never have reached the Senators and Anchorpersons desks. As was later proved, in a horrifyingly inept move by US Capitol police and others, simply releasing the spores into an elevator would have effectively contaminated the entire building and created more widespread panic, even death.
43 posted on 07/30/2006 5:44:20 AM PDT by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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-The government is building a highly classified facility to research biological weapons, but its closed-door approach has raised concerns.-

"Highly classified"?? Apparently not high enough. And, the whole point of "high classification" is to GET a closed door in there...somewhere...if possible...oh, never mind. Let's just broadcast all our secrets on TV and get it over with. Not that you can really hide a building in progress, but I'm going to guess the Compost got their hands on a detailed blueprint and will pass it along to our enemies any day now.


44 posted on 07/30/2006 5:47:45 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: hipaatwo

Although the research may seem questionable to the WashCompost, I don't really think this is new news. They always announced that the guy that was the anthrax suspect worked at Ft Dietrich, and how they have a similar facilty there already working with anthrax, etc.


45 posted on 07/30/2006 5:51:54 AM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.ö Osama Bin laden)
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To: MJY1288

This is so damn wrong!

What is the matter with these people???



46 posted on 07/30/2006 5:53:53 AM PDT by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamic Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: MJY1288
This lab is less than 15 miles from where I live, and I really don't appreciate
the Washington Post exposing this critical operation to help keep us safe.


The Wall Street Journal also needs a spanking on this issue, IMHO.
About six months ago, they had an article on some new US government buildings,
of course covered in terms of construction bidness.

There, on a front page (maybe of a section, not the very front page) was
a sizeable photo of a new CDC building for researching all sorts of nasties.

I was shocked at it's nice, open-air design...tall with lots of windows.
I could only shudder to think what could be accomplished by
even a small team of evildoers.
I remember praying "I hope that building is just a decoy, no matter
how expensive it is.".
47 posted on 07/30/2006 6:00:51 AM PDT by VOA
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To: hipaatwo

Dont eat any of the fish from the ponds on Detrick either.
(i used to live in amber meadows)


48 posted on 07/30/2006 6:05:55 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero ╗ with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: hipaatwo
the Bush administration is building a massive biodefense laboratory

They reveal themselves in the language. The 'Bush Administration' is not building a massive biodefense lab... The United States is. They feel better pretending to just betray 'Bush', not the country.
49 posted on 07/30/2006 6:10:21 AM PDT by Daus
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To: hipaatwo; All

I thought there already was a lab such as this on an island off the New England coast somewhere.


50 posted on 07/30/2006 6:24:06 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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