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Rice says "time for ceasefire" after Qana bombing
Reuters ^ | July 30, 2006

Posted on 07/30/2006 2:43:48 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, speaking after the Israeli bombing of the Lebanese village of Qana, said it was time for a ceasefire in the war between Israel and Hizbollah guerrillas.

She said she was saddened by the bombing and confirmed that she had canceled a planned trip to Beirut, but would stay in Israel to try to work out a deal for ending the 19-day-old conflict.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; hezbollah; israel; killalqaeda; killhamas; killhezbollah; killterrorists; lebanon; qana; rice; terrorists
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1 posted on 07/30/2006 2:43:49 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative
time for a ceasefire

Or not.

2 posted on 07/30/2006 2:46:06 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace begins in the womb.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

It won't end for a while yet but it looks to me like Hezballah wins this round. The Israelis pulled their punches and even so the world is ready to rein them in. The Israeli PM was sold on an air campaign by his Air Force and that doesn't defeat guerillas.


3 posted on 07/30/2006 2:58:40 AM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb

Too soon to tell.

Your point about the military plan of Israel not being sufficient is a bit seperate from the diplomatic dance, I think.

It mostly depends...the diplomacy so-called...on whether the rest of the world is prepared to let Iran, through Hezbollah, take over Lebanon. Because that really appears to be what is happening, when you back off and take a look at the big picture.

I don't think Bush is prepared to let that happen, but will he have any Allies?


4 posted on 07/30/2006 3:07:35 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The deaths in this village equal one single suicide-bomber's attack in an Iraqi marketplace, which happens several times a week. I never heard the Lebanese government, or any other Arab government calling for an immediate cease-fire by the terrorists in Iraq.

Nor did I ever hear of the Jordanians calling for a cease fire by Hezbollah, who were operating from their own territory.

Sorry about the kids, but their parents were warned to clear out and didn't, and they allowed Hezbollah to operate in their town, and even supported them.

Many innocent people die in a war like this, but a cease fire will accomplish nothing: the process will continue, as long as ... ?


5 posted on 07/30/2006 3:11:40 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: docbnj

I have a huge problem with a ceasefire. It is a ploy used by everyone of Israel's enemies. They attack Israel. Israel responds and the bad guys get smacked. Then the bad guys call in the international community whining about how Israel is being mean. Eventually a ceasefire is called and the bad guys regroup and rearm.

IMHO - the only solution is to find the leaders and whack them. Without the leaders teaching the young to hate, things would cool down. It takes a lot of energy to hate that much all the time. Without the mullahs and terrorist types the could have been peace in the middle east decades ago.


6 posted on 07/30/2006 3:35:33 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: West Coast Conservative

Every passing day proves how much we don't have the stomach to fight the good fight. We treat these terrorist groups like they are decent people and they take full advantage of it. What will have to happen before the good people of the world decide it's time to stamp out this evil one and for all.


7 posted on 07/30/2006 3:47:52 AM PDT by SHOOT THE MOON bat ("I ain't got a dime but what i got is mine. I ain't rich but Lord I'm free." George Strait)
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To: West Coast Conservative

No Condi! Don't do it!


8 posted on 07/30/2006 3:49:51 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (We gotta watch out for the Hellbazoo and the Hamas...)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Lebanon, the Middle East and the rest of the world needs to know that there is a price to pay for committing an act of war on another nation, Israel included..

Israel may indeed finally have to concede to some sort of arranged cease-fire, but before that happens it has to be made Very Clear that any further incursions by Hezbollah or any other group, organization, whatever, from Lebanon will result in a much "sterner" response than this one has been...
Other nations in the area must also recognize that the same applies to them..

Hezbollah has co-opted the Lebanese government and military powers, and therefore Lebanon is responsible..
Lebanon did nothing to stop Hezbollah and has for the most part supported it's policies and actions..
As such, the entire nation and it's people are just as responsible as Hezbollah..

Further violations should be met with a response that starts at Damascus and proceeds south..

9 posted on 07/30/2006 3:53:05 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: docbnj

You're right. Ahmadienjad, Assad, Hamas, Hezbolla, al-Qaeda and the MULLAHS all need to be assassinated. They don't give a damn about dead children. They call them martyrs and use their against the Israelis.

The more dead kids there are, the more islam love it because it makes the jews look bad. They planned it this way. They need to be taken out. Now.


10 posted on 07/30/2006 3:54:44 AM PDT by Pine Mtn. Maverick
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To: West Coast Conservative

Israeli PM neds to go on TV now and tell Lebanon to stop firing rockets and release the soldiers and than there will be a cease fire.


11 posted on 07/30/2006 3:57:16 AM PDT by John Lenin (Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers)
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To: West Coast Conservative

STFU Rice! Bush get out of Israel's way.


12 posted on 07/30/2006 3:57:34 AM PDT by Modok
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To: West Coast Conservative
George needs to bring her home and regroup. No ceasefire until the Hazies are disarmed. Amen.
13 posted on 07/30/2006 3:57:57 AM PDT by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Modok

Bush is about Israel's only powerful friend. Rice isn't stopping Israel, just open your blinded eyes and take a real look.


14 posted on 07/30/2006 3:59:52 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: txrangerette
Bush and Rice need to shut up and get out of Israel's way. You get peace when your enemies are dead, not when you have negotiated a cease-fire. If you are a terrorist or tolerate terrorists in your midst, then you become meat. That is the permanent cure.
15 posted on 07/30/2006 4:04:59 AM PDT by Modok
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To: ovrtaxt; Drammach; Modok; gakrak; All

Please, read this, then come back and tell me that Stephen Harper of Canada knows this but poor dumb George W and Condi DON'T know it.

Things aren't always, in fact they seldom are, what they might appear on the surface.

TORONTO SUN EDITORIAL: What peace is there to keep?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1674552/posts


16 posted on 07/30/2006 4:07:52 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it, and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out."
-General William Tecumseh Sherman

17 posted on 07/30/2006 4:12:21 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: ovrtaxt
No Condi! Don't do it!

Too late!

She already did it!

We must not forget that her "mentor" was Madeleine Albright's father.

18 posted on 07/30/2006 4:12:24 AM PDT by perspicacitypalmer
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To: Modok
Bush get out of Israel's way.

Our government is anxious to repeat our 1967 error: STOP ISRAEL BEFORE THEY FINALLY WIN THE PEACE!

19 posted on 07/30/2006 4:15:05 AM PDT by perspicacitypalmer
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To: txrangerette

There will be no peace because islam is a violent religion that sees all other religions as unacceptable inhibants on this earth. Islam is an exterminator and when they get the bomb, they will kill their own babies with it along with all the rest of us without blinking an eye.
I can only see one way to solve the problem.


20 posted on 07/30/2006 4:16:50 AM PDT by Pine Mtn. Maverick
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To: West Coast Conservative

Dang. Gone wobbly.


21 posted on 07/30/2006 4:17:33 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: West Coast Conservative

CONVENTION IV

Part II. General Protection of Populations Against Certain Consequences of War.

Art. 28. The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.

http://www.genevaconventions.org/


22 posted on 07/30/2006 4:22:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: West Coast Conservative
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, speaking after the Israeli bombing of the Lebanese village of Qana

are you sure?

We never know where these sound bites were taken but are added in when convenient for the drive bye-media!

I wonder if those who were hit were the families of Hizbollah, that were sacrifice by the Hizbollah for fodders of the Hizbollah to get world support?

You can never tell with these Zombies!

23 posted on 07/30/2006 4:23:35 AM PDT by restornu (Steadfast as we move into troublesome days ahead: “We do not take counsel from our fears.”)
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To: perspicacitypalmer

She did nothing.


24 posted on 07/30/2006 4:25:01 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Wolfie
Dang. Gone wobbly.

Yeah, dead children will do that to you.

25 posted on 07/30/2006 4:25:10 AM PDT by Skylab
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To: Skylab

These people love dead children. Teen suicide bombings. Dead Israeli children. Dead children in houses where the adults were shooting rockets from thereby bringing retaliation.


26 posted on 07/30/2006 4:28:07 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Skylab

I'm glad its a recent phenomenon. Never was much good at speaking German.


27 posted on 07/30/2006 4:28:22 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

Wrong. It's nothing but empty public dismay. Not meant to violate the President's clearly stated policy. Or did you miss that...


28 posted on 07/30/2006 4:29:36 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: txrangerette

You are spot on with that observation.


29 posted on 07/30/2006 4:31:05 AM PDT by Modok
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To: West Coast Conservative

Ceasefire?

Hizbulla must be running low on ammo and needs resupplied.


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Let Israel FINISH the damn job, Dr. Rice!!!!


30 posted on 07/30/2006 4:32:48 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: txrangerette

As long as he rockets are landing in Irsael I would keep bombing.


31 posted on 07/30/2006 4:35:10 AM PDT by John Lenin (Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers)
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To: txrangerette

??? Sorry, I don't see the words "empty public dismay" anywhere. I see the Sec. of State of the U.S. calling for a ceasefire. If that is in contradciton to the Prez's stated policy, then she should be fired.


32 posted on 07/30/2006 4:35:52 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: West Coast Conservative

NO! Israel needs to FINISH to job NOW. If they don't the rest of the world and Israel will look weak and LOOK OUT!! These heathens will do anything to destroy the rest of us!!
Give peace a chance is BS!


33 posted on 07/30/2006 4:41:03 AM PDT by Cricket24 (ULTRA PATRIOT!!)
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Let Israel FINISH the damn job, Dr. Rice!!!!

Israel can do whatever it wants. Maybe, it doesn't want to finish the job. FYI: Dr. Rice implements our foreign policy. The WH formulates it and decides what action we will take. It isn't up to Dr. Rice to decide whether it is our policy to "let Israel FINISH the job" or not.

34 posted on 07/30/2006 4:43:41 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Skylab
Dang. Gone wobbly.

Yeah, dead children will do that to you.


Recall a couple of years ago -- the Israelis 'captured' Pali children as young as 10 with bomb belts on as they approached the Israeli outposts.

For the Islamofanatics, children are weapons or shields. Women are weapons or shields. Hospitals are used as shields and places to hide weapons. Schools are used as shields and places to hide weapons. Mosques are used as shields and places to hide weapons. Residential homes are used as shields and places to hide weapons.


Several days ago, the pix of the aftermath of the Hiz rockets showed ball bearings as shrapnel, splattering on buildings and people where they hit. No worldly outrage. I wonder what the worldly response would be, if Israel were using shrapnel bombs? [I don't think Israel uses them -- I could be wrong.] Recall that many of the Pali suicide bombers have their packs loaded with shrapnel that includes screws, nails, ball bearings, bone fragments infects with various diseases, etc.
35 posted on 07/30/2006 4:46:52 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: kabar

Sorry, but you have the wrong playbook.

US policy DOES call the shots.


36 posted on 07/30/2006 4:53:05 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: West Coast Conservative
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, speaking after the Israeli bombing of the Lebanese village of Qana, said it was time for a ceasefire in the war between Israel and Hizbollah guerrillas. She said she was saddened by the bombing and confirmed that she had canceled a planned trip to Beirut, but would stay in Israel to try to work out a deal for ending the 19-day-old conflict.

Why!!?

If the U.S. is committed to the "War on Terror" and since Hizbollah remains a terrorist guerrilla organization, and since they keep attacking Israel, there is absolutely NO sane reason that Israel should stop until every last Hizbollah member is dead. I was pleased to see that the U.S. finally gave Israel the green light to do what Israel should have done years ago and thought that the U.S. had finally adopted a somewhat sane foreign policy as it relates to Israel and Israel's enemies, but apparently such sanity was not bound to last.

If find it highly hypocritical that this administration talks a good game about the War on Terror but lacks the will necessary to actually see it through. No small part of this is the undermining sedition of the Democrat Party and their minions in Congress but that can be partially blamed on the refusal of the Republican Party to bring out the long knives and go for their jugulars. Open treason is being committed in our streets (see Code Pink) and even in the halls of Congress. Yet not a single person has been charged with the crime.

Meanwhile, Afghanistan isn't going quite as well as expected, Iraq much worse, and we just had a Muslim terrorist shoot a bunch of Americans in Seattle and our borders are still wide open just begging for terrorists to cross and attack us. Not to mention the other attacks in America and elsewhere and those that were attempted but, thankfully, were stopped.

Going into this, after 9/11, we new that anything other than total commitment to the War on Terror and the destruction of all Islamic terrorists and their sponsoring nations would only make things worse for us. Well, guess what...that commitment appears to be incomplete and the results are not going to be satisfactory. Pardon me if, hearing all the talk from President Bush after 9/11, I expected to see a mobilization and national effort on par with World War II. Less Americans died in the Pearl Harbor attack than 9/11 and the WTC was a civilian target in a major American city - not to mention that the attack on the Pentagon was an unparalleled provocation. Americans should have expected nothing less than a national effort comparable to WWII. Instead, we're seeing an effort that is, at least relative to troop deployment levels, roughly equivalent to the Vietnam conflict. Need I remind anyone that we lost that one? But a loss in Vietnam lead mostly to the deaths of many Vietnamese. The loss of this War on Terror will lead to the deaths of many Americans and potentially the total destruction of our nation and modern civilization.

Do I desire total war? In fact, no. But total war is upon us. We didn't have a choice. The entire Islamic world has declared war on us and on our allies. Islam desires world domination as much or more than Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany and they are every bit as, if not more, barbaric than either of those countries ever were. Total war is upon us but our response and our effort is incongruous to that fact and the threat of total destruction that we face.

Nothing less than the survival of our free nation and, in fact, freedom throughout the entire world is at stake here. We need to act like it. Instead of cautioning Israel or pressuring them to ease their defensive attacks against the terror threats that surround them we should be allying with Israel to eliminate the Islamic threat in the entire region. The U.S. and Israel possess the military might and production capabilities to accomplish this but the U.S. seemingly lacks the will to see it through. At best, and I'm trying to be optimistic here, we'll fight to a stalemate. That is unacceptable. That is not what Americans were promised after 9/11. Worse, it sentences our children and grandchildren to future terror attacks and forces them to pay the bills that we won't pay now. We owe it to them and to those who have sacrificed their lives in this conflict so far to get the job done and eliminate the Islamic threat now and forever. It is a mistake to pressure Israel to ease up at all let alone attempt to negotiate a ceasefire with terrorists.

37 posted on 07/30/2006 4:55:12 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The terrprists are banking on a belief that the west lacks the backbone to coninue pressurng them.

Rice and the Administraion - IF THEY REALLY MEAN THIS - are modern day Chmaberlains.

The war should only end when every last Hezebollah fanatic is dead, REGARDLESS OF CONSEQUENCES.

If not, SYRIA AND IRAN win this.

What is going on LEbanon is, like the World Trade Center, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., another battle in a major war against civlization by Islam.


38 posted on 07/30/2006 4:59:10 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Sorry, but Condi - please shut yer yap.

Diplomacy is what got us into this mess. More diplomacy means more mess.


39 posted on 07/30/2006 4:59:32 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: TomGuy
US policy DOES call the shots.

I wish that were really the case. More often than not, we follow Israeli policy, which then becomes US policy.

40 posted on 07/30/2006 4:59:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: West Coast Conservative
Coward!! She's a female Neville Chamberlain. It shouldn't be over until Hezzbola is eradicated.
41 posted on 07/30/2006 5:04:07 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Unless we have plans underway to destroy the leadership of Iran and Syria very soon, like now, this is the worst possible time for a ceasefire. If we would stop reining in Israel this whole thing could have been over in 1949 and three more times after that.

You can't defeat an enemy who knows he is militarily inferior to you by refusing to use your own military. Talking? Why? He wants to kill you. Why talk to him? Kill him first or, as we seem determined to do, commit suicide yourself. Talking just delays that choice and it will keep returning until we make it.
42 posted on 07/30/2006 5:05:11 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Obfuscation, misdirection, and diplomatic filler. You don't discuss your war campaign strategy or those of your allies with reporters. just give them something to type up and get on the wire. Meanwhile, hezzi hideouts are being reduced to powdered concrete and twisted rebar.


43 posted on 07/30/2006 5:05:45 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: docbnj
Sorry about the kids, but their parents were warned to clear out and didn't, and they allowed Hezbollah to operate in their town, and even supported them.

I'm watching Fox now and they haven't mentioned this once. I'm sorry about the kids but civilian adults and children die in every war.

44 posted on 07/30/2006 5:06:13 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: ZULU

It's time to blast Syria to disrupt supply lines.


45 posted on 07/30/2006 5:06:28 AM PDT by Pine Mtn. Maverick
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To: West Coast Conservative

This is Rooters, folks. I'd consider the source.


46 posted on 07/30/2006 5:06:57 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Modok
"You get peace when your enemies are dead"

Truer words were never spoken and one of the reasons there is no "peace" in the ME; like Styen said last week we're always sending in the "suits" to solve the problem of a group of people that want to see Israel destroyed, period.

It seems that after were WWII we forgot what winning a war entailed; keeping more of the other SOB's than he killed of you (with apologies to G. Patton) until they were so crushed or dead that it was over.

47 posted on 07/30/2006 5:07:24 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Philosophy consists very largely of one philosopher arguing that all others are jackasses.)
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To: tlb

"The Israeli PM was sold on an air campaign by his Air Force and that doesn't defeat guerillas."

How 'bout if they use bunker busters?


48 posted on 07/30/2006 5:08:19 AM PDT by RoadTest (Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto: in God is our trust.)
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To: Proud_texan

Sheesh, that should be "killing more of the other SOB's" instead of "keeping".


49 posted on 07/30/2006 5:08:36 AM PDT by Proud_texan (Philosophy consists very largely of one philosopher arguing that all others are jackasses.)
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To: Spiff
They [Islamofanatics] declared war on Western Civilization over a decade ago.

We [Western Civilization] are still trying to treat their attacks as police actions.

Police actions don't win wars.

They have a long history of warfare -- death by a thousand cuts -- meaning small skirmishes here and there and that place, slowing and continuously cutting and weakening their enemy: Western Civilization.

We respond with PC policies, PC responses, PC apologies if the force used is more than proportional, etc.

All the $Trillions Western Civilization [predominately, the US and Britain] have spend on building armaments and military, we continue to respond to Islamofanatics as a police action events. They have declared themselves as an enemy bent on destroying the infidels (us) and driving the world back into the 7th Century. We act like they are joking, as they continue to kill a few here, a few there, a few in Bali, a few more in Spain, a few more in India, a few more in Britain, a few more in Washington and New York and Seattle, etc. They continue to spread their small 'cells' and groups throughout the world with the intent of committing more deaths by a thousand cuts.
50 posted on 07/30/2006 5:09:28 AM PDT by TomGuy
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