Skip to comments.Rice says "time for ceasefire" after Qana bombing
Posted on 07/30/2006 2:43:48 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, speaking after the Israeli bombing of the Lebanese village of Qana, said it was time for a ceasefire in the war between Israel and Hizbollah guerrillas.
She said she was saddened by the bombing and confirmed that she had canceled a planned trip to Beirut, but would stay in Israel to try to work out a deal for ending the 19-day-old conflict.
I assume Condi is talking about Hezbellah. If not, she needs to stick a sock in it. Until Israel finishes the job, a stop in the action will embolden all Islamic terroist groups. For cripe sake, the conflict is only 19 days old.
FWIW, this is a Rooters piece with no verbatim quotes, so I wouldn't assume anything :)
"The more dead kids there are, the more islam love it because it makes the jews look bad. They planned it this way. "
Their planning is very effective. If the head Hezbollah hides in the Iranian Embassy, as is rumored, that invites (1) Safety for him or (2) risking an additional war, with Iran. Win-win for Hezbollah.
We need to upgrade our planning and intelligence. Israel and US need more and better PR (propaganda).
Good points -- these should be stated everytime the subject of destruction in Lebanon comes up!
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|Posted by frankjr
On 07/30/2006 7:03:30 AM CDT · 5 replies · 91+ views
NY Times ^ | 7/30/06 | Thom Shanker
POUND for pound and pounding for pounding, the Israeli military is one of the worlds finest. But Hezbollah, with the discipline and ferocity of its fighters and ability to field advanced weaponry, has taken Israel by surprise. Now that surprise has rocketed back to Washington and across the American military. United States officials worry that theyre not prepared, either, for Hezbollahs style of warfare a kind that pits finders against hiders and favors the hiders. Certain that other terrorists are learning from Hezbollahs successes, the United States is studying the conflict closely for lessons to apply to its own...
Right. Iran is arming Syria with tanks, jets; and this new Shihab-3 ground-to-ground missile in the near future.
The longer this goes, the better the chances that this could really escalate.
|Posted by knighthawk
On 07/30/2006 6:34:31 AM CDT · 4 replies · 160+ views
NY Daily News ^ | July 30, 2006 | WILLIAM F. McCANTS
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I think it's a PC thing or maybe a ratings thing that if they don't appear to be concerned about the children it'll turn their viewers off or they won't appear "sensitive". As someone else pointed out if they want to be concerned they should talk about the children and civilians killed by homicide bombers.
An example of this that stands out in my mind is the press conference a few years back when the Army (Air Force?) was talking about the Daisy Cutter. A reporter asked about the purpose and the speaker (I think he was a general) said "to kill people". You could have heard a pin drop. The reporters all looked like they'd just swallowed a 10 pound spit ball.
If we'd be concerned about the civilians in Dresden or Hiroshima we'd probably still be fighting (well, that's a stretch, but you see what I mean).
War is hell. Lots of innocents get dead, especially when the enemy is so chicken-spit to not even wear an identifiable uniform. It's a fact, the media should have studied a bit more history and get a clue but they're so lame I don't see that happening, Fox included (well, except for Brit).
These people the Israelis are fighting are cowards, as illustrated in the above article, mingling with civilians some of which actually support them.
The bombing was to be expected. Rice should be calling for the Hezbollah's heads given their use of non-Geneva tactics of War. THEY are responsible.
All the MSM is bemoaning the fact that women and children were killed. Certainly, that is a tragedy. But, since when did Hezbollah or any terrorist organization give a rats a$$ about women and children? Once again, the west loses the PR war.
Hezbollahstan's PM blows off Rice
I agree with you.I don't believe that Israel did them any damage. They killed some of them but that does not accomplish anything because they are like an anthill. You can kill a thousand of them today and by tomorrow they will all be replaced. You have got to cut off the head [in the case of the anthill, kill the queen] if you are going to kill them [destroy the anthill].
President Bush should keep Rice in Washington D.C.
If Israel stops now, they will pay a high price in blood in the near future if they stop now.
The U.S. should be a lesson for them. We did nothing when they blew up our embassies, troop barricka, and warship. This non action resulted in the attacka upon the World Trade Center and Pentegon.
"WHERE HAS ALL THE COURAGE GONE? RICE IS FULL OF SHEEHAN."
What a vile comment.
There is no cease fire and it is in our best interests that we call for one. As long as those two things happen, things are going as planned.
Ms. Rice, please STFU. If you don't have the backbone to fight a war against Islam the way Islamists fight it, then please resign and try for NFL Commissioner.
Complete nonsense Condi.
We (Western Civilization) are still trying to treat their attacks as police actions..................
Interesting, isn't it, that a gopher can pop up out of its' hole----- look, smell, listen and detect danger far away, while a Western liberal looks at savages gathering in city squares--holding up signs saying they are going to take over his country and behead the non-believers-------and his first impulse is to try to pet them into submission?
I have more respect for the gopher!
A loss of nerve by Condi and the administration.
Hezbollah hides among the residents of this city and fires rockets. Reportedly, they prevent civilians from leaving the area even after warnings by the Israelis.
We should be pointing this out, not caving to public relations pressure.
When the Hezzbola publically admit defeat and swear to never attack Israel again, that's when the fighting should stop. NOT BEFORE!
I don't think Bush is prepared to let that happen, but will he have any Allies?
I guess that all depends on how this unexpected reaction of bad daughter Israel affects the 'international community' (aka New World) family. How much importance will Secretary Rice's admonishments hold compared to that of Daddy Annan and the U.N.?
"I think it is time to get to a ceasefire. We actually have to try and put one in place. My work towards a ceasefire is really here today."
It's difficult to believe that Condi's out of the loop. So I'll assume that she's trying to please those who are attacking Israel from civilian locations (or the virtual European allies of those terrorists).
BREAKING: FOX reporting IDF has video proving Qana building had launchers
I believe Israel should call for a cease fire between the US and al-queda, too many civilians in Iraq have died /sarc off
I don't see anywhere that they use Condi's actual quote in the story.....it is in the HEADLINE- but not her actual quote and words....
meaning- I think her words have been taken out of context- and used to throw a big headline up and stir up trouble....
If she really is calling for NOW to be the time for a cease fire- and is doing so- BECAUSE of the bombing of "civilians" then why not print her FULL QUOTE?
Time for Rice to go! She looked the fool this morning. Said she wasnt going to Lebanon because of bombing. Lebanon told her not come.
Stymied in Mideast, Rice to Head Home
""We want a cease-fire as soon as possible," said Rice, during one of her strongest statements yet on the need to end the conflict. "
....tell it to Bush.....I am amazed at every thread on FR where other's blame Rice....haha...she is not a maverick but works at the bequest of the Pres.....why don't some here see that???????
The dynamic has changed. Once Rice and Bush began promoting a negotiated cease fire they then had to use whatever they could to bring the parties to the table including piling on with world media, Europe, et al re civilian casualties. Israel should play the righteous indignation game, drop the pretense of civility and go after every target south of the Litani without mercy. Show the world that you too can be crazy and unreasonable and the world will begin siding with you...its worked for the Arabs.
Rice, Tony Snow, and Bolton have all repeatedly said they want a cease fire as soon as possible.....as long as it does not return us to status quo........
I am just suspicous of the way the media is reporting this....
Take a look lots of direct quotes -- all direct quotes.
That appears to be the topic of interest for all the media including cable talkingheads.It will be spinned the way they can to make it sound bad BUT the quote are her exact words.
This is a interesting thread.
Islam is at war with the west.
It always has been, but was quiescent in most of the 20th century due to the overwhelming military might of western powers and Japan.
Once again the menace which haunted the nightmares of our ancestors from its initial outbreak in the 600's through its expansion into the Holy Land and Mediterrean World in the 700s and 800's, to its assaults on Byzantium and invasion of the Balkans right up to the Barbary wars, has risen from the grave.
These people who are so outraged at the deaths of their own civlians from Israeli defense moves care not a whit for the numbers of dead Israelis, and rejoiced at American dead on 9-11.
Like the Communists, these people have their own vocabulary. "Civilians" applies to Muslims who have not elected to committ suicide to murder non-Muslims. It doesn't apply to non-Islamic individuals regardless of occcupation.
"Peace" means freedom from effective counterattack so they can hatch their murderous plots with impugnity.
Who are these savages kidding? They saw off the heads of captive non-Muslim civilians, they blow up Jewish cities, they attempt to kill civilians here, they use horrifyingly bellicose rhetoric in referring to the west, they come here and into Europe and expect us to honor THEIR customs and religion while killing people who so much as wear a cross or Star of David in THEIR countries.
Our leaders - here in the U.S. have GOT to get tough with these savages. If Hezbollah stills exists, Syria and Iran win.
If Syria and Iran win, we will be fighting these murderous beasts not in Iraq or Lebanon, but in New York, London and Paris.
Each and evey single Muslim should be expelled from every western country, their mosques and madrassehs closed and the state of war which exists between them and us, recognized for what it is.
I can't believe see say such a thing....since, the building fall like 8 hours after IDF bombing. I think it'll be proven by the Israelis' themselves the terrorist either blew the building up or all the explosives hidden inside did it.