Posted on 07/30/2006 11:25:31 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative
Senior IDF officers told reporters a short time ago that there is a contradiction in the timing of the bombing of the village of Kana and reports of the explosion that killed more than 50 civilians and set off world-wide condemnation of Israel. Air Force Commander Amir Eshel left open the possibility that Hizbullah terrorists blew up the building or that an unknown cause set off explosives which were stored in the structure.
He explained that recorded information shows that Israeli Air Force planes bombed the building between midnight and 1 a.m. and that the next attack at 7:30 a.m. was up to 500 yards away. He said reports of the killing of civilians came around 8 a.m. "It is not clear what happened" between 1 a.m. and 8 a.m., he said.
Brigadier General Ido Nehushtan pointed out that Hizbullah terrorists have fired more than 150 rockets from the village of Kana since the beginning of the war.
That would make more sense than an "8 hour delay bomb".
Come on. So many of you are so quick to apologize for Israel's actions. Call it what it is, a tragic accident, stop making excuses and propogandizing worse than the Israelis themselves. Look at the source here before so many of you are quick to totally discount the issue.
They're trying to convince a world that believes in the authenticity of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" that the Israelis were not culpable in this incident? Good luck with that one.
Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.
During time of war $hit happens. End of story!
oh come on now it's just getting ridiculous. What's next? The building didn't even exist?
Hey, there was an 8 hour delay between the midnight bombing and the 8 am destruction. I know who I would believe between Hezbollah and Israel. What were those people doing in there 8 hours after the bombing?
Hey, there was an 8 hour delay between the midnight bombing and the 8 am destruction. I know who I would believe between Hezbollah and Israel. What were those people doing in there 8 hours after the bombing?
The Israelis are no newcomers to war or to Arab propaganda ploys. I have a hunch their sorties and actions are fully documented with every "i" dotted to counter just this sort of situation.
Let's remember the Gaza family on the beach whose deaths were blamed on the Israelis before proof came that it was a non-Israeli mine that got them.
The pro-terrorist media had a field day with that until it was disproven, then you heard nothing.
We shall see.
Arutz Sheva is a helluva lot more reliable than the AP, Reuters, and the rest of the MSM.
Call it what it is, a tragic accident
How do you know what it was? Have any inside info?
So many....er...some are quick to condemn Israel before any evidence of Israel's culpability.
Worse.
Some continue to condemn Israel EVEN after exculpatory evidence is presented.
I think they were setting the stage for this global goebbels type propaganda event. They had to get all their props in place for the leftist media.
Bump.
Sure glad you don't have any sort of agenda.
When the outraged world wides get out raged over INDISCRIMINANT Hezballah missles or suicide bombers in Israel call me
Until then SCREW THEM
Let me guess.........there was a children's nursery in the basement, a wedding in the large meeting room on the first floor and a women's prayer meeting on the second floor.
You forgot the add-on baby milk factory.
You forgot about the "make-shift hospital," didn't you? :-)
Let us not forget the old milk factory.
The Israelis themselves call it a tragic accident. Do YOU have inside information.
It's not a tragic accident. It's war. Israel dropped leaflets warning people to leave the area. They have nothing to apologize for in my callous opinion.
You so quickly forget that the islamo fascists are masters of pr and will quickly sacrifice their own to get those photos of red cross workers carrying dead bodies of children. Also remember that this is a culture that loves death. They strap bombs to their sons and daughter and tell them to kill themselves so that they can take out israeli women and children. SO, with that in mind, do you honestly think they wouldn't purposely put human shields (including kids who are tought since the time they are born to hate Jews)in buildings they know that will be targeted. The pay off for the terrorists is great pr of pictures of dead kids at the hands of the Israelis.
LOL! GMTA.
Seems we've all been here before.
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Israel also immediately apologized for Mohammed al-Dura.
By the laws of physics Israel could not have been responsible for that event.
Israel suffers from premature apologizing.
Seems we've all been here before."
This is Propaganda 101 from the pages of the Muslim guide book. "Baby milk factory" is the first that comes to mind... The early days of this current conflict was another one, when all those "victims" had no signs of blood, doctors were laughing, etc.
ok, so I am a little tired of hearing about all these innocent civilians being killed in Lebanon .. how are we to know if they are 'innocent civilians' or are, instead, Hezzi supporters and/or members?
Terrorists are noted for hiding behind women and children, and in mosques. They have no "honor" as we understand it in the West (or at least the US part of the West)
And, really, why do I care if it's a woman/child killed more than a man? Are men less valuable?
I'm finding sympathy for thes "innocent civilians" really hard to come by.
Whatever it might have been, it was certainly no accident.
Hizbollah CERTAINLY knew there were women and children in that building when they set up their Katusha rocket launchers there. Hell, they couldn't possibly have been there WITHOUT Hizbollah consent. Hizbollah probably PUT them there.
And then set about creating a circumstance where Israel would certainly bomb the structure. This is plainly obvious.
What is less obvious, but even more disturbing, is that the Israeli bombing of the structure at about midnight of the 29th did fulfil Hizbollah expectations. The bombing did not drop the structure.
Whaat happened next is conjecture, but something happened to bring that building down at 8AM. I suppose it could have just been a delayed collapse, but I understand that it actually exploded at 8AM.
Now, just how did that happen, do you suppose?
Do you think that people who could intentionally set up a missile launcher at a refugee site would be incapable of setting their own explosives to complete the job that they had hoped an Israeli bomb would do?
I don't claim to know what really happened in Qana, but based on the volume of information that proves that the blood-thirsty Islamofascists will hide behind the skirts of their own women, and use their own orphanages as their human shields and bases of ops (the latest is the emails from the Canadian UN "peace"keeper just days before he was killed who stated these very facts), I'm going to lean towards accepting the word of the Israelis until convinced otherwise!
I don't disagree with any of this; however, when Israelis themselves apologize for what they term a tragic mistake, how can so many FReepers get on here an callously say, who cares about the victims, they deserve it, it wasn't an accident... on and on. THAT's what I object to
From Wikipedia on the bombing of Dresden:
Development of a German political response to the raid took several turns. Initially some of the leadership, especially Robert Ley and Joseph Goebbels, wanted to use it as a pretext for abandonment of the Geneva Conventions on the Western Front. In the end, the only political action the German government took was to EXPLOIT IT FOR PROPOGANDA PURPOSES. [34]
Goebbels INFLATED THE NUMBERS OF THE DEAD by a factor of ten, and German diplomats circulated the figures, along with photographs of the destruction, the dead, and badly burned children, in neutral countries. By coincidence, the day before the Dresden raid, a German foreign affairs paper had been circulated to neutral countries describing Arthur Harris as "the arch enemy of Europe" and a leading proponent of "Terror Bombing"[35].
On February 16 the Propaganda Ministry issued a press release which outlined the Nazi line: Dresden had no war industries, it was a place of culture and clinics[36]. On February 25 a new leaflet with photographs of two burned children was released under the title "Dresden – Massacre of Refugees" and stating that not 100,000 but 200,000 had died. Since no official estimate had yet been developed, the numbers were speculative, but foreign journals such as the Stockholm Svenska Morgonbladet used phrases like "privately from Berlin" [37]. Frederick Taylor states that "there is good reason to believe that later in March copies of — or extracts from — [an official police report] were leaked to the neutral press by Goebbels's Propaganda Ministry… doctored with an extra zero to make [the total dead from the raid] 202,040"[38]. On March 4, Das Reich, a weekly general newspaper founded by Goebbels, published a lengthy article emphasising the suffering and the destruction of a cultural icon without mentioning any damage the attacks had caused to the German war effort[39].
Taylor observes that this propaganda was quite effective, as it not only INFLUENCED ATTITUDES IN NEUTRAL COUNTRIES at the time but even reached the British House of Commons when Richard Stokes quoted information from the German Press Agency (controlled by the Propaganda Ministry). Taylor suggests that, although the destruction of Dresden would have affected people's perception of the Allies' claim to absolute moral superiority in any event, part of the outrage involves Goebbels's master stroke of propaganda [40].
Some things never change I guess...
The terrorists attack Israel from positions of cover among civilians, knowing that ths will expose the civilians to Israeli retaliation. Is it such a stretch, then, to suppose that the terrorists might have dynamited the building themselves to generate casualties and pressure against the Israelis?
Are you getting paid for being NYT's b*tch?
I challenge you to find where I'm condemning it. I said it was an accident, they apologized for it, it's inevitable in a war... But trying to re-create history is what I'm raiing against.
Were you born an idiot, or is that just how you were nurtured?
I don't trust a single word coming out of the PR firm Jihad & Associates. Lying is an act of religious piety for them.
You are right....I understand that accidents happen. I just don't think that Israel, with decades of this happening and having so much of the world against them, would go out of their way to bomb a target knowing they would kill so many children. It's why i believe the target was stocked with kids as human shield.
But let me give you a hypothetical....would you feel differently if the arabs had 7-8 year old kids manning guns and Israeli troops shot them?
Correction to my post:
"the Israeli bombing of the structure at about midnight of the 29th did NOT fulfil Hizbollah expectations. The bombing did not drop the structure."
You leave the IDF no choice but to avoid targeting missle sites in villages. The bomb made not have been even errant, It hit its target but the concussion took down the building.
But it does bring into question the IDF decision not to use ground forces. The only way to take these places out without such incidcents is to send in ground troops. Even that will produce collateral damage when, as in Fallujah, they hide behind women and children.
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