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Posted on 07/30/2006 2:57:52 PM PDT by wideminded
RICHLAND -- Those who knew Naveed Haq said Saturday that to them he was an enigma, a puzzle that they wish they could have solved before his deadly rampage in a Seattle Jewish center.
He held a degree in electrical engineering and was the son of a successful engineer, yet he couldn't keep a regular job. He was smart, creative and skilled as a writer. He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship.
Yet Haq was frustrated at his lack of friends and female companionship.He told friends he felt alienated from his own family, in part because his career had disappointed his father and also because he had disavowed Islam last year, converting to Christianity.
Haq had begun studying the Bible, attending weekly men's spiritual group meetings, only to stop coming a few months after his baptism.
He had told the group's leader that he seen too much anger in Islam and that he wanted to find a new beginning in Christianity.
Yet in the midst of his shooting spree in Seattle Friday, he declared himself an angry Muslim.
"Naveed had the profile of the guy who just couldn't get things together," said Erik Neilsen ...
Last winter, Haq began attending a weekly men's group meeting led by a member of the Word of Faith Church in Kennewick.
The group's leader, Albert Montelongo, said Haq started studying the Bible and in December he underwent a water baptism at the non-denominational church, performed by Montelongo. He said Haq accepted his new faith, though he knew that he would also be offending his own family and its deeply rooted culture. His father, Mian Haq, was among the founders of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities in Richland.
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I was wondering when they would get around to blaming Jerry Falwell and the Christian Right.
"He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship."
It used to be that when we read something like this, we'd say "truth is stranger than fiction."
Now we just say "it figures."
The seed fell on some hard rocky ground, withered and died.
I didn't know the P-I had to be excerpted. Newspaper and broadcast station websites tend to be hell on dial-up users, for the tons of graphics they lard up on their sites.
"He said Haq accepted his new faith, though he knew that he would also be offending his own family and its deeply rooted culture."
Sounds like he was trying to show his family that he really had not changed all that much.
"Whether you got dunked or sprinkled, if you don't know Jesus, you just got wet."-Mark Lowry
He's a lunatic.
His defense is laying the groundwork for insanity.
Word for the day: Horsefeathers..
IIRC, the first thing he said was, "I'm an American muslim, and I'm angry at Israel."
Jews are not a Christian's enemy. Christians are not a Jew' enemy. He told us what he is. Why don't we believe him?
Because islam is the religion of peace./sarc
btw, he started his rampage with the words, "I am a Muslim-American..." He didn't say Pakistani-American or Christian-American.
He said MUSLIM-AMERICAN..
The only thing for sure is that he's a murderer. What he believes he is inside his head is anyone's guess
"He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship."
Actually he sounds just simply f'd up. No blaming Christianity. But you see that, huh?
Wonder if he planned it to commit suicide by cop since in Islam conversion to Christianity is a death sentence.
Maybe Mr. Imam let him know that the only way out of Islamic Hell and then guarantee an entry into Islamoheaven was to declare himself a muslim again and then kill some jews and maybe martyr himself in the process.
Yeah, and John Wayne Gacy liked children.
The 9/11 hijackers also did all they could to blend in with western culture including things that are strictly forbidden in islam. They went to strip clubs and bars etc. Apparently nothing is off limits as long as it ends with the slaughter of infidels in the name of allah. (feces be upon him)
So? He was a nut case.
I had heard early on that he HAD been Lutheran then converted to Islam....so which media is LYING??
Key point mentioned in the article.
To me this is a very sad story. I have known so many who have tried to break with Islam, and it is very very hard when ones family turns against them. Islam is not a religion of peace. Do not let anyone, not even the President fool you. Surely, he has learned by now.
He may have been baptized, but it's clear he wasn't a Christian.
Because the Left has allied themselves with Islam...and they have to grasp at every possible straw to protect their murderous allies. Truth is immaterial to the end purpose of not revealing Islam for the death cult it is.
I believe him. He's a muslime murderer. He admitted it when he started shooting.
It's the MSM who has a problem with it.
In reality, the word kitman comes from the verb katama, which means to hide, to conceal.
As it appears from the different English equivalents of the word, it touches on so many aspects - some of which are good and others are bad.
Starting with the good aspects, we can say that a good type of kitman (concealment or hiding) is when you hide things still in process till they are complete. In our life, we may meet people who look with a malevolent eye to what we have, who are jealous that we have this and that, who are envious that we are blessed with this and that. Driven by their envy, hatred and dark intentions, they may plot for us or weave some traps. In order to be saved from their traps, we should keep hush-hush on things that are still in preparation. To this type of hiding, kitman is the best policy. In this regard, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, says in the hadith: Seek fulfillment for things you want to finish inkitman.
He himself gave the best example of such a type in the early days of Islam. When the number of Muslims was still small and the community was still weak, there was a big need for concealment or secret call (kitman) so as to save the cause of da`wah (inviting people to Islam) from the fierce enemies.
I think it must be hard to leave Islam emotionally. Although a friend of ours did, she's in our Bible Study. Went back home to Africa with the Jesus film to share with her family and friends. It must be really scary to convert if you live there, or in Europe or the ME.
So what? So was Adolf Hitler.
Add to his resume of a killer he was due in court in Benton County for exposing himself in public.
Maybe he was just trying to do as jihadists are 'suppose to and melting in with American Culture as seen on Nancy disGraces' CNN time slot.
Thanks for the info...bump
>The seed fell on some hard, rocky ground, withered and died.<
Yes. The hard, rocky ground was his Muslim foundation. There is no excuse for what he did. Now the PI is making a victim out of him, taking the opportunity to blame Christianity.
I believe it's called being a LOSER.
Again I wonder why a white supremacist organization's public messages were held civilly responsible for influencing the murderers of an African immigrant and now nary a word about radical Islam, CAIR, et al. messages.
Flummoxed in California
And why no drive-by media hysteria about "lone wolves?"
Really flummoxed in California
I guess the fact he screamed out that he was a muslim american as he shot his victims doesn't mean anything, right?
How about taking a look at post 80 of the earlier thread I linked to in post 9.
I think that is where a lot of the fanaticism comes from. If one man has four wives, that means somewhere there are three men with none, and no hope of getting one. They turn that sexual frustration into religious rage. Sure would be nice if they could just go out and rent a hooker.
Literally it wasn't there, but they're moving in that direction. When they arrested the Miami Muslim 7 a few months ago, the liberal/leftist media tried initially to pawn them off on an unsuspecting public as militia members.
I'm just waiting for that shoe to fall.
No doubt he learned that from Jim McGreevy...
I think you're right
I can never keep track of what is supposed to be excerpted. I just assumed this was. Maybe there is a list somewhere.
I wonder if any of the students understand that we live in a republic, or if they know what a republic is.
He's a muslim, which is synonomous with "lunatic" in any sane western person's Thesaurus.
If he had actually been baptized (yeah, I'm talking immersion), someone failed to hold him down the required three days.
it does not matter WHAT he is or WHAT he believes, he is a murderer....that is all we need to know. WHY he murdered is not really important; just in what he did.
I still maintain that whoever baptized him didn't hold him under for a sufficient period of time.
Who cares? Muslims must no longer be admitted to the USA as a practical matter of internal security.
They are a heck of a lot more dangerous than all the pot smokers in the USA, regardless of the dope smokers' driving records and how many nuns leading orphans up the side of the road who have been killed. If five lousy percent of the man hours spent "keeping drunks from behind the wheel" were directed at monitoring mooselimbs and mosques, we would be far safer. Of course, making SF look like a Blooming Onion from the air using a suitcase nuke would turn California to a Red (conservative voting) state and do much to aerate the infection in Congress.........