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Shooting suspect was baptized
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | July 29, 2006 | SCOTT GUTIERREZ

Posted on 07/30/2006 2:57:52 PM PDT by wideminded

RICHLAND -- Those who knew Naveed Haq said Saturday that to them he was an enigma, a puzzle that they wish they could have solved before his deadly rampage in a Seattle Jewish center.

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He held a degree in electrical engineering and was the son of a successful engineer, yet he couldn't keep a regular job. He was smart, creative and skilled as a writer. He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship.

Yet Haq was frustrated at his lack of friends and female companionship.He told friends he felt alienated from his own family, in part because his career had disappointed his father and also because he had disavowed Islam last year, converting to Christianity.

Haq had begun studying the Bible, attending weekly men's spiritual group meetings, only to stop coming a few months after his baptism.

He had told the group's leader that he seen too much anger in Islam and that he wanted to find a new beginning in Christianity.

Yet in the midst of his shooting spree in Seattle Friday, he declared himself an angry Muslim.

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"Naveed had the profile of the guy who just couldn't get things together," said Erik Neilsen ...

Last winter, Haq began attending a weekly men's group meeting led by a member of the Word of Faith Church in Kennewick.

The group's leader, Albert Montelongo, said Haq started studying the Bible and in December he underwent a water baptism at the non-denominational church, performed by Montelongo. He said Haq accepted his new faith, though he knew that he would also be offending his own family and its deeply rooted culture. His father, Mian Haq, was among the founders of the Islamic Center of the Tri-Cities in Richland.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: albertmontelongo; baptism; haq; jewishfederation; jihadinamerica; montelongo; muslim; naveedhaq; navidhaq; oldnews; richland; seattle; shooting; usinstituteofpeace; usip
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1 posted on 07/30/2006 2:57:53 PM PDT by wideminded
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2 posted on 07/30/2006 2:59:05 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: wideminded

I was wondering when they would get around to blaming Jerry Falwell and the Christian Right.


3 posted on 07/30/2006 3:00:12 PM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: wideminded

"He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship."





It used to be that when we read something like this, we'd say "truth is stranger than fiction."

Now we just say "it figures."


4 posted on 07/30/2006 3:01:06 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: wideminded

The seed fell on some hard rocky ground, withered and died.


5 posted on 07/30/2006 3:01:11 PM PDT by BigFinn
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To: wideminded
Excerpted. Click for full article.

I didn't know the P-I had to be excerpted. Newspaper and broadcast station websites tend to be hell on dial-up users, for the tons of graphics they lard up on their sites.

6 posted on 07/30/2006 3:01:33 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: Mr.Smorch

"He said Haq accepted his new faith, though he knew that he would also be offending his own family and its deeply rooted culture."



Sounds like he was trying to show his family that he really had not changed all that much.


7 posted on 07/30/2006 3:02:40 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: wideminded

"Whether you got dunked or sprinkled, if you don't know Jesus, you just got wet."-Mark Lowry


8 posted on 07/30/2006 3:02:55 PM PDT by magslinger (Without Freedom, Utopia isn't paradise after all. It's just hell in a fancy prom dress. Steven James)
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To: wideminded
Shooting suspect was baptised (Seattle shooter NOT necessarily a Muslim)
9 posted on 07/30/2006 3:03:05 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: wideminded

He's a lunatic.


10 posted on 07/30/2006 3:08:54 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( The Dems are so far to the left they have left America.)
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To: wideminded

His defense is laying the groundwork for insanity.

Word for the day: Horsefeathers..


11 posted on 07/30/2006 3:15:00 PM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: wideminded

IIRC, the first thing he said was, "I'm an American muslim, and I'm angry at Israel."


12 posted on 07/30/2006 3:16:14 PM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: wideminded

Jews are not a Christian's enemy. Christians are not a Jew' enemy. He told us what he is. Why don't we believe him?


13 posted on 07/30/2006 3:16:56 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: CindyDawg
He told us what he is. Why don't we believe him?

Because islam is the religion of peace./sarc

14 posted on 07/30/2006 3:19:37 PM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: wideminded

btw, he started his rampage with the words, "I am a Muslim-American..." He didn't say Pakistani-American or Christian-American.

He said MUSLIM-AMERICAN..


15 posted on 07/30/2006 3:20:17 PM PDT by OpusatFR ( ALEA IACTA EST. We have just crossed the Rubicon.)
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To: OpusatFR

The only thing for sure is that he's a murderer. What he believes he is inside his head is anyone's guess


16 posted on 07/30/2006 3:22:22 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Brilliant

"He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship."

http://www.usip.org/ed/npec/index.html


17 posted on 07/30/2006 3:23:04 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Mr.Smorch

Actually he sounds just simply f'd up. No blaming Christianity. But you see that, huh?


18 posted on 07/30/2006 3:23:27 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (NUTS!)
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He had told the group's leader that he seen too much anger in Islam and that he wanted to find a new beginning in Christianity. Yet in the midst of his shooting spree in Seattle Friday, he declared himself an angry Muslim

Backslider.

Wonder if he planned it to commit suicide by cop since in Islam conversion to Christianity is a death sentence.

Maybe Mr. Imam let him know that the only way out of Islamic Hell and then guarantee an entry into Islamoheaven was to declare himself a muslim again and then kill some jews and maybe martyr himself in the process.

19 posted on 07/30/2006 3:24:53 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
"He recently won an essay contest for a U.S. Institute of Peace scholarship."

Yeah, and John Wayne Gacy liked children.

20 posted on 07/30/2006 3:25:42 PM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Couldn't find the "winner" on their website.
21 posted on 07/30/2006 3:26:49 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: wideminded

The 9/11 hijackers also did all they could to blend in with western culture including things that are strictly forbidden in islam. They went to strip clubs and bars etc. Apparently nothing is off limits as long as it ends with the slaughter of infidels in the name of allah. (feces be upon him)


22 posted on 07/30/2006 3:27:56 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: wideminded

So? He was a nut case.


23 posted on 07/30/2006 3:28:46 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: wideminded

I had heard early on that he HAD been Lutheran then converted to Islam....so which media is LYING??


24 posted on 07/30/2006 3:29:22 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: wideminded
"Yet in the midst of his shooting spree in Seattle Friday, he declared himself an angry Muslim."

Key point mentioned in the article.

25 posted on 07/30/2006 3:30:45 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: bobdsmith

To me this is a very sad story. I have known so many who have tried to break with Islam, and it is very very hard when ones family turns against them. Islam is not a religion of peace. Do not let anyone, not even the President fool you. Surely, he has learned by now.


26 posted on 07/30/2006 3:31:21 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: wideminded
Having been an apostate muslim he was attempting to make up for his "evil" conversion through the only fairly certain way to earn allah's approval...that is, to become a martyr by killing.

He may have been baptized, but it's clear he wasn't a Christian.

27 posted on 07/30/2006 3:32:32 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: CindyDawg
Jews are not a Christian's enemy. Christians are not a Jew' enemy. He told us what he is. Why don't we believe him?

Because the Left has allied themselves with Islam...and they have to grasp at every possible straw to protect their murderous allies. Truth is immaterial to the end purpose of not revealing Islam for the death cult it is.

28 posted on 07/30/2006 3:34:28 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: CindyDawg
......He told us what he is. Why don't we believe him?

I believe him. He's a muslime murderer. He admitted it when he started shooting.
It's the MSM who has a problem with it.

29 posted on 07/30/2006 3:35:36 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: wideminded
He pretended to receive "Jesus" in order to bring Christians to Islam.

What is "kitman"?

In reality, the word kitman comes from the verb katama, which means to hide, to conceal.

As it appears from the different English equivalents of the word, it touches on so many aspects - some of which are good and others are bad.

Starting with the good aspects, we can say that a good type of kitman (concealment or hiding) is when you hide things still in process till they are complete. In our life, we may meet people who look with a malevolent eye to what we have, who are jealous that we have this and that, who are envious that we are blessed with this and that. Driven by their envy, hatred and dark intentions, they may plot for us or weave some traps. In order to be saved from their traps, we should keep hush-hush on things that are still in preparation. To this type of hiding, kitman is the best policy. In this regard, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, says in the hadith: “Seek fulfillment for things you want to finish inkitman.”

He himself gave the best example of such a type in the early days of Islam. When the number of Muslims was still small and the community was still weak, there was a big need for concealment or secret call (kitman) so as to save the cause of da`wah (inviting people to Islam) from the fierce enemies.

30 posted on 07/30/2006 3:40:25 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 29-34)
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To: tessalu

I think it must be hard to leave Islam emotionally. Although a friend of ours did, she's in our Bible Study. Went back home to Africa with the Jesus film to share with her family and friends. It must be really scary to convert if you live there, or in Europe or the ME.


31 posted on 07/30/2006 3:41:29 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: bboop

bttt


32 posted on 07/30/2006 3:45:09 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: wideminded
Shooting suspect was baptized

So what? So was Adolf Hitler.

33 posted on 07/30/2006 3:46:22 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: All

Add to his resume of a killer he was due in court in Benton County for exposing himself in public.

Maybe he was just trying to do as jihadists are 'suppose to and melting in with American Culture as seen on Nancy disGraces' CNN time slot.


34 posted on 07/30/2006 3:50:22 PM PDT by Global2010 (Show me da paw Ya'll)
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To: Alouette

Thanks for the info...bump


35 posted on 07/30/2006 3:50:25 PM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: BigFinn

>The seed fell on some hard, rocky ground, withered and died.<


Yes. The hard, rocky ground was his Muslim foundation. There is no excuse for what he did. Now the PI is making a victim out of him, taking the opportunity to blame Christianity.


36 posted on 07/30/2006 3:54:03 PM PDT by Paperdoll (.........on the cutting edge)
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To: wideminded

I believe it's called being a LOSER.


37 posted on 07/30/2006 3:57:15 PM PDT by Shimmer128 (I see dumb people, they're everywhere. They don't even know they're dumb.)
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To: All
The murderer declared himself an angry Muslim.

Again I wonder why a white supremacist organization's public messages were held civilly responsible for influencing the murderers of an African immigrant and now nary a word about radical Islam, CAIR, et al. messages.

Flummoxed in California

And why no drive-by media hysteria about "lone wolves?"

Really flummoxed in California

38 posted on 07/30/2006 4:00:07 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

I guess the fact he screamed out that he was a muslim american as he shot his victims doesn't mean anything, right?


39 posted on 07/30/2006 4:14:55 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: calex59

How about taking a look at post 80 of the earlier thread I linked to in post 9.


40 posted on 07/30/2006 4:26:00 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: wideminded
Yet Haq was frustrated at his lack of friends and female companionship.

I think that is where a lot of the fanaticism comes from. If one man has four wives, that means somewhere there are three men with none, and no hope of getting one. They turn that sexual frustration into religious rage. Sure would be nice if they could just go out and rent a hooker.

-ccm

41 posted on 07/30/2006 4:27:45 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: BunnySlippers

Literally it wasn't there, but they're moving in that direction. When they arrested the Miami Muslim 7 a few months ago, the liberal/leftist media tried initially to pawn them off on an unsuspecting public as militia members.
I'm just waiting for that shoe to fall.


42 posted on 07/30/2006 4:59:02 PM PDT by AdvisorB (For a terrorist bodycount in hamistan, let the smoke clear then count the ears and divide by 2.)
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To: OpusatFR

No doubt he learned that from Jim McGreevy...


43 posted on 07/30/2006 5:32:19 PM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: sionnsar

spin,spin,spin


44 posted on 07/30/2006 5:50:49 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: piasa
Wonder if he planned it to commit suicide by cop since in Islam conversion to Christianity is a death sentence. Maybe Mr. Imam let him know that the only way out of Islamic Hell and then guarantee an entry into Islamoheaven was to declare himself a muslim again and then kill some jews and maybe martyr himself in the process.

I think you're right

45 posted on 07/30/2006 5:51:21 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: sionnsar
I didn't know the P-I had to be excerpted.

I can never keep track of what is supposed to be excerpted. I just assumed this was. Maybe there is a list somewhere.

46 posted on 07/30/2006 8:01:23 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: operation clinton cleanup
I couldn't find him on the various lists on their website. What was distressing was the endless and mindless promotion of "democracy" by the essayists.

I wonder if any of the students understand that we live in a republic, or if they know what a republic is.

47 posted on 07/30/2006 9:35:15 PM PDT by sig226 (There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who do not.)
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To: goodnesswins

He's a muslim, which is synonomous with "lunatic" in any sane western person's Thesaurus.

If he had actually been baptized (yeah, I'm talking immersion), someone failed to hold him down the required three days.


48 posted on 07/30/2006 9:38:24 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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To: 308MBR

it does not matter WHAT he is or WHAT he believes, he is a murderer....that is all we need to know. WHY he murdered is not really important; just in what he did.


49 posted on 07/30/2006 9:55:51 PM PDT by scoastie
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To: scoastie

I still maintain that whoever baptized him didn't hold him under for a sufficient period of time.

Who cares? Muslims must no longer be admitted to the USA as a practical matter of internal security.

They are a heck of a lot more dangerous than all the pot smokers in the USA, regardless of the dope smokers' driving records and how many nuns leading orphans up the side of the road who have been killed. If five lousy percent of the man hours spent "keeping drunks from behind the wheel" were directed at monitoring mooselimbs and mosques, we would be far safer. Of course, making SF look like a Blooming Onion from the air using a suitcase nuke would turn California to a Red (conservative voting) state and do much to aerate the infection in Congress.........


50 posted on 07/30/2006 10:16:31 PM PDT by 308MBR ( "She pulled up her petticoat, and I pulled out for Tulsa!" Abstinence training from Bob Wills.)
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