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Mel culpa: Gibson sorry after tirade [including "anti-Semitic remarks"]
The Age (AU) ^ | 31JUL06 | Gerard Wright

Posted on 07/30/2006 5:13:24 PM PDT by familyop

MEL Gibson was speeding, drunk and absolutely certain of how this episode would end when he was pulled over and arrested by a police officer in Malibu.

Gibson, 50, told Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy James Mee he "owned" Malibu as he was driven, handcuffed, to the Los Hills sheriff's station early on Friday morning, and he would "get even" with him.

"I'm going to f--- you," Gibson reportedly said.

"You're going to regret you ever did this to me."

What followed will cast a shadow over the remainder of the American-born, Australian-raised Gibson's career as one of Hollywood's most admired and bankable actors, directors and producers.

Mee's official arrest report, partially released on the entertainment news website TMZ.com, and confirmed by an industry reporter and The Washington Post, described Gibson as "blurting out a barrage of anti-Semitic remarks".

These included references to "f------ Jews" and "The Jews are responsible for all the war in the world", before asking the deputy: "Are you a Jew?"

According to the TMZ site, the deputy made an audio recording of the incident from the time Gibson's 2006 Lexus was pulled over for driving at 139 km/h in a 70 km/h zone on the Pacific Coast Highway in the affluent Los Angeles beachside suburb at 2.36am.

The gravity of his situation quickly struck Gibson, according to Deputy Mee. "My life is f-----," he said, after being told he was being arrested.

Gibson subsequently returned a blood alcohol reading of .12. The legal limit in California is .08.

"I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse," Gibson said yesterday.

In his statement of apology, Gibson said he regretted saying "things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable". However, the actor did not directly address the anti-Semitic remarks he was heard to have uttered.

Reaction to Gibson's arrest has been muted. The story did not break until Friday afternoon. TMZ posted its copy of the deputy's report on its website later that evening.

At risk is Gibson's ambivalent relationship with the Jewish lobby, quietly powerful in the film and television industry and in American politics.

Many in the Jewish community were outraged at the anti-Semitic message they claimed was implicit in Gibson's 2004 bloody blockbuster The Passion of the Christ, which he directed and funded with $US25 million from his personal fortune.

At a time the star's father, Hutton Gibson, denied the Holocaust in a radio interview, describing it as "maybe not all fiction, but most of it is".

The success of the film, with its international return of $US611 million, marked Gibson, a conservative Catholic, as a powerful political and cultural force.

In Australia, the executive director of the Australia/Israel and Jewish Affairs Council, Colin Rubenstein, said Gibson had a history of anti-Semitic behaviour, citing as an example the The Passion of the Christ. "The episode, regrettably, is not a surprise," Dr Rubenstein said.

Gibson's success and influence hid what the actor yesterday acknowledged had become a losing battle with alcoholism. He had previously been arrested for driving under the influence while filming in Canada in 1984. At that point he returned to his farm near Yackandandah, in north-eastern Victoria, for two years to dry out, before resuming his film career in the US.

Deputy Mee said he found in the Lexus a bottle of Cazardores tequila in a brown paper bag "within easy reach" of Gibson while he had been driving. It was three-quarters full.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
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1 posted on 07/30/2006 5:13:27 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop
pretty bizarre behavior for a .12.

sniff sniff .......

2 posted on 07/30/2006 5:16:16 PM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when it is ignored.)
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem
Ping

"These included references to 'f------ Jews' and 'The Jews are responsible for all the war in the world', before asking the deputy: 'Are you a Jew?'"
3 posted on 07/30/2006 5:20:20 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: beyond the sea

Generally speaking, relapses for alcoholics are nasty things. I'll just leave it at that.


4 posted on 07/30/2006 5:20:22 PM PDT by irish guard
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To: beyond the sea

well... not if he was on the wagon for a while.... alcoholism is nothing if not patient....


5 posted on 07/30/2006 5:22:01 PM PDT by lumber1 (It is not what you do now, but what they will do later with what you've "done now" that matters.)
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To: familyop

I wonder if his slurs while drunk had anything to do with the way Jewish leaders smeared him for making The Passion. That might have given him a huge resentment.


6 posted on 07/30/2006 5:22:13 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Deport illegals the same way they came here - one at a time.)
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To: familyop

I didn't think the Passion was anti-semitic, but I do remember all the debate. This episode makes me think that perhaps there was something to the accusations that the film was anti-semetic afterall. Maybe I just didn't see it.

The things Gibson apparently said are disgraceful. The fact that Mel uttered such things makes me think he may very well be a Jew hater.


7 posted on 07/30/2006 5:23:03 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Hacksaw
I wonder if his slurs while drunk had anything to do with the way Jewish leaders smeared him for making The Passion. That might have given him a huge resentment.

Hard to see how that could lead him to conclude that Jews are responsible for all of the wars in the world.

8 posted on 07/30/2006 5:23:46 PM PDT by Phocion ("Protection" really means exploiting the consumer. - Milton Friedman)
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To: beyond the sea

It seems to be that Mel has sucummbed to the fabled disease known as Celebrititis. Symptoms of the disease include believing oneself to be above the law, and superior to mere peons.


9 posted on 07/30/2006 5:23:47 PM PDT by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: irish guard

I agree and and living through it now with my oldest son.Prayers for Mel.


10 posted on 07/30/2006 5:23:59 PM PDT by fatima
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To: familyop; EveningStar
..in the Lexus a bottle of Cazardores tequila in a brown paper bag "within easy reach" of Gibson while he had been driving. It was three-quarters full.

Good Grief....Mel Gibson, Acting like Cartman. :(

11 posted on 07/30/2006 5:24:19 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you....... :^)
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To: familyop
"I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse," Gibson said yesterday.

Alcoholism can be successfully battled, and I hope Gibson is up to the task.

"The Jews are responsible for all the war in the world"

Gibson's irrational and demented world view will be a far more difficult demon to slay.

12 posted on 07/30/2006 5:26:57 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: beyond the sea

I gather from various posts that .12 is not that high.

Personally, I think he has other problems. He made a truly brilliant film in the Passion, but like any artist, he was simply doing what he did. That doesn't mean the rest of his life was great, or that one would agree with him on anything except his artistic vision for that one film. He's not a conservative, but more of a libertarian with a bent for conspiracy theories and occasional moments of religion.

His father was/is quite weird and is a Holocaust-denying US-hater and a bunch of other unattractive things. Mel Gibson himself seems to have some odd and somewhat extreme beliefs that probably come from his father's influence. In addition, I think he probably has some resentment because of the attacks he got from liberal Jewish organizations before the Passion was even released, not because they seriously thought it was anti-semitic (it wasn't at all, IMHO), but because they were under the mistaken impression that Gibson was a conservative and this was a way of getting at him. Put that together with alcohol and whatever else he may have been taking, and you have one really out of control, angry person.

I hope he gets help.


13 posted on 07/30/2006 5:27:25 PM PDT by livius
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To: Phocion
Hard to see how that could lead him to conclude that Jews are responsible for all of the wars in the world.

People are usually not at their pinnacle of logic while drunk. He did apologize for his statements, however - something more than those who attacked him for his movie did.

14 posted on 07/30/2006 5:28:44 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Deport illegals the same way they came here - one at a time.)
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To: Hacksaw
I wonder if his slurs while drunk had anything to do with the way Jewish leaders smeared him for making The Passion. That might have given him a huge resentment.

So his anti-semitism is understandable, right?

Why not blame Jews for starting all wars, right?

15 posted on 07/30/2006 5:28:54 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: familyop
I think he was upset because of the wars in Lebanon/Iraq.

Prayers for him.

16 posted on 07/30/2006 5:29:24 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: familyop

Talk is cheap, Mel.


17 posted on 07/30/2006 5:30:12 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: familyop

I read the statement today by the ADL that pretty much said Gibson was a bigot and they do not accept his apology etc ect....My own take on this, is although he may be anti-semitic, I think his statements while drunk were more of him being self destructive than anti-semitic. I mean what is the worst possible thing he could say to destroy his career? And before he said that, he first said "my life is f***ed". The dude has a major drinking problem, and I think before the ADL condemns him, they should issue statements first about Hillary Clinton who they seem to have no problem ignoring everytime her anti-semitic issues come up.


18 posted on 07/30/2006 5:30:18 PM PDT by Screamname (Batman and Godzilla : When will they fight?)
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To: familyop

"In wine there is truth."

Sad to say, but I believe Mel just said what he really believed all along. I trully pray he can get back on the wagon. However, I'm afraid his credibility is somewhat at question now.


19 posted on 07/30/2006 5:30:53 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: familyop
What followed will cast a shadow over the remainder of the American-born, Australian-raised Gibson's career as one of Hollywood's most admired and bankable actors, directors and producers.

So, if he drove off a bridge and killed a young woman, he would have a viable career as a Mass. Senator?

20 posted on 07/30/2006 5:31:32 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Hacksaw
He did apologize for his statements, however

He apologized for his statements to the police. He did not specifically apologize for his statements about Jews.

21 posted on 07/30/2006 5:31:33 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: familyop
"These included references to 'f------ Jews' and 'The Jews are responsible for all the war in the world', before asking the deputy: 'Are you a Jew?'" Even Eric Cartman would not go that far.
22 posted on 07/30/2006 5:31:55 PM PDT by Panerai
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To: Longbow1969
This episode makes me think that perhaps there was something to the accusations that the film was anti-semetic afterall. Maybe I just didn't see it.

I saw the movie twice and the DVD annually since. It does not excuse the Sanhedrin and Herod's court, but did not look at all anti-Semitic to me.

The things Gibson apparently said are disgraceful.

Apparently. Gibson's pretty high-profile --there are LOTS of folks who'd like to take him down for the count-- and all we have (so far) is a written report claiming he said these things. Other posts on this thread go further into these issues, so I'll not say further.

23 posted on 07/30/2006 5:32:25 PM PDT by sionnsar (Ütrad-anglican.faithweb.comÜ | Iran Azadi | Appeasement only reinforces bad behavior)
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To: Hacksaw

Hacksaw wrote:
"I wonder if his slurs while drunk had anything to do with the way Jewish leaders smeared him for making The Passion. That might have given him a huge resentment."

How far would you like to go with that? I'm not Jewish, and I believe that passion plays are as hideous as they ever were.

"Jewish History Sourcebook: Jews and the Later Roman Law 315-531 CE" http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/jewish/jews-romanlaw.html
Quote:
"[Marcus Introduction] The Middle Ages, for the Jew at least, begin with the advent to power of Constantine the Great (306-337). He was the first Roman emperor to issue laws which radically limited the rights of Jews as citizens of the Roman Empire, a privilege conferred upon them by Caracalla in 212. As Christianity grew in power in the Roman Empire it influenced the emperors to limit further the civil and political rights of the Jews. Most of the imperial laws that deal with the Jews since the days of Constantine are found in the Latin Codex Theodosianius (438) and in the Latin and Greek code of Justinian (534). Both of these monumental works are therefore very important, for they enable us to trace the history of the progressive deterioration of Jewish rights."


THE MYSTERY
OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE IN HISTORY
By Rev. Frs. Michael Crowdy & Kenneth Novak
Originally printed in the April 1997 issue of The Angelus magaine.
http://www.sspx.org/against_the_sound_bites/mystery_of_the_jews.htm
(extremely antisemitic)

Thomas Aqinas' letter to Margaret of flanders
http://www.thomistica.net/margaret-of-flanders-online/

"Jerome: . . . This imprecation rests at the present day upon the Jews, the Lord's blood is not removed from them" (St Thomas Aquinas: Catena Aurea, Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 27.)
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/catena1.ii.xxvii.html

"Raban.: But as the guilt of His blood, which they imprecated upon themselves and their children, presses them down with a heavy weight of sin, so the purchase of the lie, by which they deny the truth of the Resurrection, charges this guilt upon them for ever; as it follows, 'And this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day'" (St Thomas Aquinas : Catena Aurea, Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 28.)
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/aquinas/catena1.ii.xxviii.html




Eusebius wrote, in his Ecclesiastical History (History of the Christian Church),
Book II, CHAPTER XVII of
Philo's Account of the Ascetics of Egypt

"But it is highly probable that the works of the ancients, which he says they [the Essenes] had, were the Gospels and the writings of the apostles, and probably some expositions of the ancient prophets, such as are contained in the Epistle to the Hebrews, and in many others of Paul's Epistles."
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2501.htm




[See Book XVIII, Antiquities, and Book II, War of the Jews, behind the following link. "Pilate" is a good keyword to search the page, if you're in a hurry. ...best to read the whole thing, though.]
The Works of Flavius Josephus
Translated by William Whiston
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/josephus/josephus.htm


24 posted on 07/30/2006 5:32:51 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: familyop

Mel going McKinney, what a shame...


25 posted on 07/30/2006 5:32:51 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Mel is going Bobby Fischer, more like. How long until he moves to Iceland?


26 posted on 07/30/2006 5:33:36 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: familyop
Come one, The Age?
I can't believe you posted this as news.
27 posted on 07/30/2006 5:34:33 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: sinkspur
He apologied. This from the NYT, today:

In a one-paragraph statement issued Saturday through his publicist, Alan Nierob, Mr. Gibson said: “I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested, and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable. I am deeply ashamed of everything I said, and I apologize to anyone I may have offended.”

28 posted on 07/30/2006 5:35:23 PM PDT by vox_freedom
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To: Hacksaw; veronica
I wonder if his slurs while drunk had anything to do with the way Jewish leaders smeared him for making The Passion. That might have given him a huge resentment.

Oh, so the JEWS drove him drink???!!!!??? UN..FREAKIN..BELIEVABLE...Is there anything that we don't have the power to do.

29 posted on 07/30/2006 5:36:17 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: GinaLolaB
"I think he was upset because of the wars in Lebanon/Iraq. Prayers for him."

So let's give him a pass on being a bigot, he made a nice Christian movie. /sarc

30 posted on 07/30/2006 5:36:36 PM PDT by Panerai
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To: vox_freedom
Where did he apologize directly to Jewish people for his statements?

Others with less baggage might get away with the statement drawn up by his PR flack. Not Gibson.

31 posted on 07/30/2006 5:37:14 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: livius

I think those attacks on him from the Passion are what drove him off the wagon. The guy literally looked like he aged 20 years from when he first started making that movie till he finished. And you know, if Hollywood wants to criticize him for being anti-semitic, maybe they should look in the mirror first. They blame Israel for everything under the sun yet totally ignore terrorism and terror states. Israel can do no good in the eyes of Hollywood, but psychos who blow themselves up in buses are ignored. You can`t get anymore anti-semitic than that.


32 posted on 07/30/2006 5:37:21 PM PDT by Screamname (Batman and Godzilla : When will they fight?)
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To: JeanS

...often better than the ABC (AU).


33 posted on 07/30/2006 5:38:17 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: fatima

So sorry to hear that, I know how awful alcoholics can be when they are trying, but fail to stay sober.


34 posted on 07/30/2006 5:38:22 PM PDT by irish guard
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To: sinkspur

Maybe he is waiting for Abe Foxman any other Jewish leaders to apologize for their constant attacks against his movie.


35 posted on 07/30/2006 5:39:35 PM PDT by xxyyxx
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To: Panerai
So let's give him a pass on being a bigot, he made a nice Christian movie. /sarc

I just think he spouted off his big mouth because he was emotionally upset about the war. The war is very upsetting to many people.

I don't know why some people still drink and drive. It is such a big mistake.

36 posted on 07/30/2006 5:40:59 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: familyop
Ping..."These included references to 'f------ Jews' and 'The Jews are responsible for all the war in the world', before asking the deputy: 'Are you a Jew?'"

In the past I made the mistake of defending him from association with his despicable Jew hating, America hating father. I'm sorry to say it's a mistake, as Mel noted he learned his "faith", at his papas knee, apparently to his discredit.

37 posted on 07/30/2006 5:42:52 PM PDT by SJackson (The PilgrimsóDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: familyop

Somebody needs to thwack Mel Gibson with a Romans 11 stick.

A BIG one.

I'm very sad and disappointed to hear such utter bile from him. Jewish leaders spount nonsense regarding "Passion," and this kind of garbage feeds into paranoia and gives it a hand-hold.

He's still got more to apologize for.


38 posted on 07/30/2006 5:42:55 PM PDT by Kieri (A Grafted Branch)
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To: Screamname
I think those attacks on him from the Passion are what drove him off the wagon. The guy literally looked like he aged 20 years from when he first started making that movie till he finished.

Oh, please!

Gibson's worth a half-billion dollars thanks to The Passion and the support it got from Christians all over the world.

The criticisms of a few Jews are going to drive him over the edge so that he's drinking out of a brown paper bag like a skid-row bum and blaming them for all the ills in the world?

39 posted on 07/30/2006 5:44:08 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Screamname

I think there's definitely something strange going on in his life. He's certainly full of anger, although part of it is probably what another poster referred to as "celebrityitis," the "do you KNOW who I AM" syndrome. Maybe this will be his moment of truth and he will really confront these things.

Even if he is angry over unjustified attacks, he's got to confront this and forgive and ask forgiveness if he wants to get his life back on keel. Going around with all that anger inside can't be any fun.


40 posted on 07/30/2006 5:44:22 PM PDT by livius
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To: xxyyxx
Maybe he is waiting for Abe Foxman any other Jewish leaders to apologize for their constant attacks against his movie.

Maybe Abe Foxman is on to something about Mel Gibson.

41 posted on 07/30/2006 5:45:00 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: irish guard
It is really bad and they always hurt the ones they love the most-mainly me and his wife and children.I pray for Mel-my son and all who are walking that road because I know that you can win.
42 posted on 07/30/2006 5:46:09 PM PDT by fatima
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To: sinkspur
He apologized for his statements to the police. He did not specifically apologize for his statements about Jews.

Why would he. If you recall, embedded in his dads belief system is that fact that, along with causing the worlds wars, Jews are responsible, along with the Masons, for the takeover of the Vatican in the 1960s. If I'm not mistaken Hutton has stated that all Popes since that time are agents of the devil. Mel has acknowledged his fathers role in shaping his faith, specifics unknown. Drunk driving, abusing the police are one thing. His statements about Jews, I wouldn't presume he thinks apologies are necessary.

43 posted on 07/30/2006 5:46:40 PM PDT by SJackson (The PilgrimsóDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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To: ozoneliar

"Symptoms of the disease include believing oneself to be above the law, and superior to mere peons."

Just write the first thoughts that come to your mind. He was drunk, and being drunk makes fools of us all.


44 posted on 07/30/2006 5:46:48 PM PDT by jwh_Denver ("Try thinking if just for you own sake" George Harrison)
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To: irish guard
I hesitate to post here because it is a touchy subject. It seems many either hate him or put him on a pedestal and believe he can do no wrong. People say things when they are drunk that they don't mean or believe. Did he or didn't he? I have no idea but folks don't let the media try to play Christians and Jews against each other.
Mel Gibson said he was sorry for his behavior. As far as I'm concerned he doesn't need to go into juicy details. He just needs to stay sober and do what he does best. Make movies. Time will tell if he is sincere. JMO
45 posted on 07/30/2006 5:46:48 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Hacksaw

My thoughts also


46 posted on 07/30/2006 5:47:02 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: GinaLolaB
I just think he spouted off his big mouth because he was emotionally upset about the war. The war is very upsetting to many people.

"The dog ate my homework" would be more believeable.

47 posted on 07/30/2006 5:47:17 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Screamname
I read the statement today by the ADL that pretty much said Gibson was a bigot

Kettle meet pot ,Pot meet kettle

48 posted on 07/30/2006 5:47:52 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: familyop
I don't know exactly what Gibson said but I have not seen these quotes before from any other sources.
That's the problem with posting from a source like the Age, they're a tabloid and untrustworthy in my opinion.
49 posted on 07/30/2006 5:48:05 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: CindyDawg; sinkspur
Mel Gibson said he was sorry for his behavior. As far as I'm concerned he doesn't need to go into juicy details.

I'm ask sinkspur about this one.

From a Jewish perspective, yes, the "juicy details" would be necessary. The apology would have to be specific, specifically acknowledging the harm done. And remedying it, which in this instance would be done verbally, through acknowledgment of his error. Is that really different than what would be expected of a Christian.

50 posted on 07/30/2006 5:50:07 PM PDT by SJackson (The PilgrimsóDoing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do!)
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