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Mel culpa: Gibson sorry after tirade [including "anti-Semitic remarks"]
The Age (AU) ^ | 31JUL06 | Gerard Wright

Posted on 07/30/2006 5:13:24 PM PDT by familyop

MEL Gibson was speeding, drunk and absolutely certain of how this episode would end when he was pulled over and arrested by a police officer in Malibu.

Gibson, 50, told Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy James Mee he "owned" Malibu as he was driven, handcuffed, to the Los Hills sheriff's station early on Friday morning, and he would "get even" with him.

"I'm going to f--- you," Gibson reportedly said.

"You're going to regret you ever did this to me."

What followed will cast a shadow over the remainder of the American-born, Australian-raised Gibson's career as one of Hollywood's most admired and bankable actors, directors and producers.

Mee's official arrest report, partially released on the entertainment news website TMZ.com, and confirmed by an industry reporter and The Washington Post, described Gibson as "blurting out a barrage of anti-Semitic remarks".

These included references to "f------ Jews" and "The Jews are responsible for all the war in the world", before asking the deputy: "Are you a Jew?"

According to the TMZ site, the deputy made an audio recording of the incident from the time Gibson's 2006 Lexus was pulled over for driving at 139 km/h in a 70 km/h zone on the Pacific Coast Highway in the affluent Los Angeles beachside suburb at 2.36am.

The gravity of his situation quickly struck Gibson, according to Deputy Mee. "My life is f-----," he said, after being told he was being arrested.

Gibson subsequently returned a blood alcohol reading of .12. The legal limit in California is .08.

"I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse," Gibson said yesterday.

In his statement of apology, Gibson said he regretted saying "things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable". However, the actor did not directly address the anti-Semitic remarks he was heard to have uttered.

Reaction to Gibson's arrest has been muted. The story did not break until Friday afternoon. TMZ posted its copy of the deputy's report on its website later that evening.

At risk is Gibson's ambivalent relationship with the Jewish lobby, quietly powerful in the film and television industry and in American politics.

Many in the Jewish community were outraged at the anti-Semitic message they claimed was implicit in Gibson's 2004 bloody blockbuster The Passion of the Christ, which he directed and funded with $US25 million from his personal fortune.

At a time the star's father, Hutton Gibson, denied the Holocaust in a radio interview, describing it as "maybe not all fiction, but most of it is".

The success of the film, with its international return of $US611 million, marked Gibson, a conservative Catholic, as a powerful political and cultural force.

In Australia, the executive director of the Australia/Israel and Jewish Affairs Council, Colin Rubenstein, said Gibson had a history of anti-Semitic behaviour, citing as an example the The Passion of the Christ. "The episode, regrettably, is not a surprise," Dr Rubenstein said.

Gibson's success and influence hid what the actor yesterday acknowledged had become a losing battle with alcoholism. He had previously been arrested for driving under the influence while filming in Canada in 1984. At that point he returned to his farm near Yackandandah, in north-eastern Victoria, for two years to dry out, before resuming his film career in the US.

Deputy Mee said he found in the Lexus a bottle of Cazardores tequila in a brown paper bag "within easy reach" of Gibson while he had been driving. It was three-quarters full.


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To: Integrityrocks

"I don't believe for a second that he was "speaking his real thoughts" while at a .12 bac."

Oh come off it. .12 is not enough alcohol to cause hallucinations in any way. And everyone who has ever drunk alcohol knows that it loosens the inhibitions, and you say stuff that later you regret. Nice attempt to cover for Mel's bad behavior and words.


101 posted on 07/30/2006 7:14:40 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: flaglady47

"The acorn here, hasn't fallen far from the tree"

It never does, does it?

This is why I give him the benefit of the doubt. We'll see where he goes from here.


102 posted on 07/30/2006 7:15:03 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: SE Mom

Here's a related piece that I posted.

Gibson outburst 'was covered up' [Police coverup of antisemitic comments.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1674846/posts


103 posted on 07/30/2006 7:15:31 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: familyop
He hasn't given any apology for his neo-Nazi comments.

Good grief, knock off the hyperbole. You are making it difficult for anyone to dicuss this incident with any rationality. So far you've posted from the Age, the Scotsman and a few other lefty foreign sites. Come on man, stick to one thread.

104 posted on 07/30/2006 7:20:13 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Praxeus

"This is why I give him the benefit of the doubt. We'll see where he goes from here."

I'm a bit confused here. You give him the benefit of the doubt for believing as his father does? For being, apparently, anti-semitic?


105 posted on 07/30/2006 7:26:27 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: JeanS

Hate to tell you.. but saying "Jews caused all the wars" is worse than neo-Nazi. It is original Nazi. Right out of Mein Kampf.

I don't know what's in Mel Gibson's heart, but his mouth has caused this firestorm, and all the outrage is warranted, IMO.


106 posted on 07/30/2006 7:27:36 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: JeanS

"So far you've posted from the Age, the Scotsman and a few other lefty foreign sites. Come on man, stick to one thread."

Why don't you cut it out. This "incident" has been published in most major newspapers, including the Washington Times. Take the blinders off. And stop covering for Gibson and his bad acts.


107 posted on 07/30/2006 7:28:29 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: flaglady47

No, I agree. I think Mel Gibson has probably got a lot of strange stuff in his brain from his father, who is a classic extremist on just about everything, I gather. He took the family to Australia because he didn't want his son to be in the army, and still seems to hate the US. And his father is also a Holocaust-denier.

Still, it seems to me that Mel Gibson must have managed to moderate the influence of whatever his father taught him, for some years, at least, or he could never even have functioned. But between his anti-Semitic statements, his recent ravings about George Bush and his ugly behavior with the police, I really think he may be having some kind of personality melt-down. Plus he looks quite bizarre.


108 posted on 07/30/2006 7:29:32 PM PDT by livius
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To: Praxeus
This is B.S. There is no proof that he said that. Think about it, if you were pulled over for DUI would you start spouting off like that? There is no other allegation of him ever saying anything like this before.

I can't believe all the people here who WANT to believe this without any proof.

109 posted on 07/30/2006 7:33:11 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: flaglady47
No..

I give him the benefit of a doubt because he has a strike against him from the get go.. that is, he was propagandized by his father. Any move to have a right world view means he had to move past this FIRST. He was already behind the eight ball because of pop.

Any right thinking would have to come by effort, not by nature of how he was raised.
110 posted on 07/30/2006 7:34:07 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: livius

"Plus he looks quite bizarre."

I concur. I think he's frying his brain cells with too much booze, and I think he is battling with himself and his own beliefs. It's a case of cognitive dissonance. He knows his prejudices are without basis, but that was how he was taught all his life. And now he does battle with himself over what he knows is right and wrong, but because of all of the irrational garbage he was fed as a child, has screwed him up royally. That's my psychological take on Mel's behavior.


111 posted on 07/30/2006 7:34:30 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: JeanS

Your taking liberties saying I "WANT" to believe Mel said these things. That's simply untrue.

These allegations are coming from several sources, and Mel is certainly not denying them.


112 posted on 07/30/2006 7:36:46 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: JeanS
These included references to 'f------ Jews' and 'The Jews are responsible for all the war in the world', before asking the deputy: 'Are you a Jew?'"

It's his "hyperbole"--not mine. Have fun with your rhetoric.
113 posted on 07/30/2006 7:37:10 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: flaglady47
I concur. I think he's frying his brain cells with too much booze, and I think he is battling with himself and his own beliefs. It's a case of cognitive dissonance. He knows his prejudices are without basis, but that was how he was taught all his life. And now he does battle with himself over what he knows is right and wrong, but because of all of the irrational garbage he was fed as a child, has screwed him up royally. That's my psychological take on Mel's behavior.

I'm speechless.

114 posted on 07/30/2006 7:37:27 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: flaglady47

Well.. I think you are spot on here.


115 posted on 07/30/2006 7:38:18 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: familyop
I don't know whether he made those comments or not, you are convinced he did. I don't know why you're taking one man's word that he did but since you've already prejudged this I don't think there is any way we can discuss this.

Witch hunts are ugly.

116 posted on 07/30/2006 7:42:28 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS

"I'm speechless."

Good.


117 posted on 07/30/2006 7:45:14 PM PDT by flaglady47
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To: Reddy
You couldn't be more wrong. I have a parent that was an alcoholic, I was married for 16 years to an alcoholic and I battle the bottle myself. You may know scripture, but I know alcohol. You say outrageous things that you don't mean and often don't remember. I'll not make excuses for Gibson, but I won't judge him yet either. If I see evidence that this is an ongoing hatred, then I will condemn him.
118 posted on 07/30/2006 8:06:34 PM PDT by BruceysMom (I'm hot & not in a good way: menopause ain't for sissies)
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To: familyop

Has the media apologized to Israel for always bashing them as well?


119 posted on 07/30/2006 8:09:10 PM PDT by ladyinred (The NYTimes, hang 'em high!)
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To: AmishDude

Good post.


120 posted on 07/30/2006 8:16:09 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: JeanS

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,206228,00.html


121 posted on 07/30/2006 8:26:33 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: flaglady47
Oh come off it. .12 is not enough alcohol to cause hallucinations in any way

.12 affects alchohics different than non-alchoholics. If someone has been an alcoholic for a long time - over 20 years, I believe it takes less alcohol to get to the out-of-control stage. Such is the case with a friend of mine. It's utterly heartbreaking to see how the mighty can be laid so low by alcohol, esp. if other mental health issues are involved. I'm not a medical professional so my observations are subjective.

FWIW, I've heard the exact same phrases from my friend. -he (Mel) "owned" Malibu; he would "get even" with him. "I'm going to f--- you," "You're going to regret you ever did this to me."

The hell of it is, is that when sober, a truly remarkable human being shines thru. Unfortunately, the clouds keep returning.

122 posted on 07/30/2006 8:37:52 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: livius

well said ..........


123 posted on 07/30/2006 9:02:17 PM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when it is ignored.)
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To: sinkspur

But maybe Abe Foxman was dead wrong about the movie. I don't care for Foxman myself.


124 posted on 07/30/2006 9:07:07 PM PDT by xxyyxx
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To: flaglady47

You seem to know little of the long term effects of chronic alcoholism. Gibson is a 50 year old chronic alcoholic by his own admission.

Alcoholism has a nice little bell curve of first increased tolerance where it requires more than the average amount of alcohol to achieve the same effect and then in later stages reversed tolerance where very little alcohol creates a raging drug due to changes in the brain as well as decreased ability of the liver to metabolize it.

It's nasty and ugly. IMO, Mel's outburst indicates he is a very sick alcoholic in crisis. Who knows how long he's been off the wagon this time?


125 posted on 07/30/2006 9:14:03 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: BruceysMom

Unfortunately, I do know about alcoholism. My brother, who successfully completed rehab and is a recovering alcoholic, is currently living in my basement. Not to mention my father and grandfather, etc.

Maybe some alcoholics rant and rave about beliefs or feelings that they never before entertained, but that hasn't been my experience.

If Mel said those things, he's thought them before. IMO.

"You say outrageous things that you don't mean and often don't remember."

Maybe he didn't MEAN them, but I don't think they are alien thoughts to him. Again, IMO.


126 posted on 07/30/2006 9:17:08 PM PDT by Reddy (America, Bless God!)
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To: Reddy

Given that his father is a looney holocaust denier, it's pretty obvious that Gibson was raised on anti-semitic ideas.

Doesn't mean he believes or means them when he's sober. I think he's got a lot of garbage in his brain's basement that percolates up when his alcoholism is raging.


127 posted on 07/30/2006 9:20:52 PM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: Reddy

I respect the fact that your opinion is every bit as valid as mine. We can't ever really know another persons heart. I'm not sure I even have my own figured out!


128 posted on 07/30/2006 9:31:32 PM PDT by BruceysMom (I'm hot & not in a good way: menopause ain't for sissies)
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To: Valpal1

Makes me even more grateful that I had amazing parents who were very careful to teach me not to be racist from the time I was small. It's apparent that kids pick up the prejudice of the parents like a sponge.


129 posted on 07/30/2006 9:34:30 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: flaglady47; JeanS

Here's a link to a copy of the original police report (as it was before parts were edited out by the Los Angeles County Sheriff's department--photocopy of handwritten document). TMZ.com is owned by CNN parent company Time Warner, so it's no little stuff.

http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/gibson_wm_docs_072806.pdf
(PDF--adobe acrobat file)

That's proof enough of the deputy's original report and of a coverup, IMO. Here's the story it was linked from.

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti-semitic-tirade-alleged-cover-up/

We can pretty well see where all of this is going. Yes, it might be Mel's words, if he doesn't properly, specifically apologize, against those of the deputy in the end--biases on Mel's part, history of west coast public corruption, and all.

I will be surprised, if Mel properly apologizes to the Jewish people. Catherine Emmerich wasn't the kind of person who would have apologized, either.


130 posted on 07/30/2006 9:43:49 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: lumber1; Rte66

Congratulations to you both. 15 years here.


131 posted on 07/30/2006 10:04:56 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: familyop

EITB24 photo



LA Times photo
132 posted on 07/30/2006 10:12:42 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: operation clinton cleanup
So, if he drove off a bridge and killed a young woman, he would have a viable career as a Mass. Senator?

That would not be possible.

133 posted on 07/30/2006 11:01:30 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: operation clinton cleanup

20 posts before the "Kennedy got away with worse" equivalence post!

I think it's a new record.


134 posted on 07/30/2006 11:07:54 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: Kieri

What's distressing is so many willing to gloss over this because of the Passion movie.

Instead, you see a lot of whining about what liberals get away with. Childish arguments you shouldn't see from people over the age of 16.


135 posted on 07/30/2006 11:13:59 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: sinkspur; Hillary

Don't you love some of these arguments?

My favorite is still

"But Hillary gets to be a bigot! Not fair! Not fair!"


136 posted on 07/30/2006 11:15:48 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: familyop

bttt


137 posted on 07/30/2006 11:22:03 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: jackv
BTW--I believe hitlery made this same charge against Jews and it was conveniently overlooked as not a big deal when she said it.

Not Fair! Not Fair! (foot stomp)

I don't remember her saying Jews were cause of all the wars in the world. So, not quite the same thing.

I suppose the double standard once again applies tho.

Certainly! Mel's still a great guy, but Hillary is a bigot!

Ohhhh. That's not the double standard you were talking about...

138 posted on 07/30/2006 11:22:34 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: JeanS
And I can't believe that some people here still refuse to believe that he said it, when what he said has been published by just about every media outlet there is and then posted to FR.

Is the ONLY way you'll believe that he said what he said, if he repeats it to you, live, in person, whispering it into your ear?

139 posted on 07/30/2006 11:25:48 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: AmishDude

"I apologise for whatever you personally believe I might have said." MG


140 posted on 07/30/2006 11:27:13 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: Tax Government

I think he should retire in some cave somewhere.

And be a joke for the rest of his life. (but that's going to happen anyway...)


141 posted on 07/30/2006 11:29:38 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: wtc911

You can start by thinking that just because a name has the word "Jew" in it, that doesn't mean the person who bears it is Jewish.


142 posted on 07/30/2006 11:37:39 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: ladyinred

Stomp those feet.


143 posted on 07/30/2006 11:42:46 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: familyop

Oy vey, Mel.


144 posted on 07/31/2006 4:40:20 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: familyop

Poor Mel. He fell off the wagon and it ran over him.

Goes to show that even though he did something good (The Passion), we all still have dire faults.


145 posted on 07/31/2006 6:36:03 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Integrityrocks

"I don't believe for a second that he was "speaking his real thoughts" while at a .12 bac."

While I would really like to agree with this, I cannot. A blood alcohol of .12 is not that high. Also, if he is a true alcoholic, then his tolerance to alcohol is high so that 0.12 is nothing. Although ones thoughts may come out distorted and exagerated while under the influence, what does come out is what is basically there. Your inhibitions are lowered and you tend to say things and thoughts you would normally suppress. I know I did when I used to drink. Personally, I find myself forgiving his "dark side" because I know all of us have one we strive to suppress.

That being said, I fully sympathize with Mel and the alcoholism he has to contend with - I had a short period where I battled the bottle in my late 20s and I am glad I never developed a chemical dependency on alcohol so that I was able to stop drinking. I hope he can get back on the wagon. He is a fine actor and I would hate to see him stop working. Also, I would hate to see him pillored for saying politically/morally wrong things because he had been drinking.

So, I not coming down on the man when I say his credibility has been damaged. Unfortunately his dark side has been revealed to public srutiny. A horrible thing for any of us to have happen. Let me give you an example from my own life....I honestly abhor racism (anti-black thinking my in case) and I work hard to suppress it. However, there are times my deep seated "visceral" responses surface in regards to racism. I'm embarrassed and ashamed of it, but I don't try to excuse it, just to repent. I am a "recovering" racist. Mel is also...his just happens to be anti-semetism.



146 posted on 07/31/2006 7:00:25 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas

"then his tolerance to alcohol is high so that 0.12 is nothing"

Not so. Chronic alcoholics develop reverse tolerance as they age due to slower metablolism, brain changes and liver damage.

Uncontrolled raging and blowing a 1.2 indicates a very sick chronic alcoholic.


147 posted on 07/31/2006 7:55:29 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Big Media is like Barney Fife with a gun.)
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To: stands2reason
Don't you love some of these arguments?

My favorite is the suggestion that alcohol makes one develop a bigoted streak out of nowhere.

148 posted on 07/31/2006 8:00:05 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Valpal1

My grandfather was an unbearable racist. I can't imagine that I would ever say the things that he preached no matter how much I drank.

It's kind of like me getting drunk and yelling, "I love Bill Clinton!" No possible way that would ever happen. I can, though, imagine getting drunk and saying many unkind things about him.

If the words are foreign to your belief system, you won't say them, no matter how much you drink.


149 posted on 07/31/2006 12:06:27 PM PDT by Reddy (America, Bless God!)
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To: familyop
I pray for Mr. Gibson. A deeply flawed man, but genuinely talented. As the creator of The Passion of the Christ, I have no doubt that satan oppresses him most severely.

That said, I can't wait to see Apocalypto.
150 posted on 07/31/2006 12:15:06 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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