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Hezbollywood? Evidence mounts that Qana collapse and deaths were staged
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Diplomacy/8997.htm ^ | 7/31/06 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 07/31/2006 2:18:11 AM PDT by BlueSky194

It was to be a perfect Hollywood ending for Hezbollah. Just as the Israeli bombing of the village of Qana in 1996 brought a premature end to Israel's "Grapes of Wrath operation," so too a sequel of Qana II could change, once and for all, the direction of Israel's current summer blockbuster, "Change of Direction." Ten years ago, world condemnation of an errant Israeli shell that hit a civilian compound forced then-PM Shimon Peres to curtail the offensive against terror bases.

The setting was also perfect: Kana was again being used as a primary site for launching rockets against Israeli cities. The IDF reported that more than 150 rockets had been launched from Qana and its vicinity at Israeli civilians, wreaking destruction in Kiryat Shmona, Maalot, Nahariya and Haifa. It was only a matter of time before the Israeli Air Force would come for a visit, using pinpoint targeting of the sites used to launch rockets, Hezbollah logistical centers and weapon storage facilities.

On the morning of July 30, according to the IDF, the air force came in three waves. In the first, between midnight and one in the morning, there was a strike at or near the building that eventually collapsed. There was a second strike at other targets far from the collapse building several hours later, and a third strike at around 7:30 in the morning. There too the nearest hit was some 460 meters away, according to the IDF. But first reports of a building collapse came only around 8 am.

Thus there was an unexplained 7 to 8 hour gap between the time of the helicopter strike and the building collapse. Brigadier General Amir Eshel, Head of the Air Force Headquarters, in a press briefing, told journalists that "the attack on the structure in the Qana village took place between midnight and one in the morning. The gap between the timing of the collapse of the building and the time of the strike on it is unclear."

Gen. Eshel appeared genuinely mystified by the gap in time. He "I'm saying this very carefully, because at this time I don't have a clue as to what the explanation could be for this gap," he added.

The army's only explanation was that somehow there was unexploded Hezbollah ordnance in the building that only detonated much later.

"It could be that inside the building, things that could eventually cause an explosion were being housed, things that we could not blow up in the attack, and maybe remained there, Brigadier General Eshel said.

Eshel reported that as recently as two days ago, military intelligence reported the building area had been used by the terrorists for storage or firing of weapons. It was a bad place to cram dozens of women and children.

There are other mysteries. The roof of the building was intact. Journalist Ben Wedeman of CNN noted that there was a larger crater next to the building, but observed that the building appeared not to have collapsed as a result of the Israeli strike.

Why would the civilians who had supposedly taken shelter in the basement of the building not leave after the post-midnight attack? They just went back to sleep and had the bad luck to wait for the building to collapse in the morning?

What we do know is that sometime after dawn a call went hour to journalists and rescue workers to come to the scene. And come they did.

While Hezbollah and its apologists have been claiming that civilians could not freely flee the scene due to Israeli destruction of bridges and roads, the journalists and rescue teams from nearby Tyre had no problem getting there.

Lebanese rescue teams did not start evacuating the building until the morning and only after the camera crews came. The absence of a real rescue effort was explained by saying that equipment was lacking. There were no scenes of live or injured people being extracted.

There was little blood, CNN's Wedeman noted: all the victims, he concluded, appeared to have died while as they were sleeping -- sleeping, apparently, through thunderous Israeli air attacks. Rescue workers equipped with cameras were removing the bodies from the same opening in the collapsed structure. Journalists were not allowed near the collapsed building.

Rescue workers filmed as they went carried the victims on the stretchers, occasionally flipping up the blankets so that cameras could show the faces and bodies of the dead.

But Israelis steeled to scenes of carnage from Palestinian suicide bombings and Hezbollah rocket attack could not help but notice that these victims did not look like our victims. Their faces were ashen gray. Their limbs appeared to have stiffened, from rigor mortis. Neither were effects that would have resulted from an Israeli attack hours before. These were bodies that looked like they had been dead for days.

Viewers can judge for themselves. But the accumulating evidence suggests another explanation for what happened at Kana. The scenario would be a setup in which the time between the initial Israeli bombing near the building and morning reports of its collapse would have been used to "plant" bodies killed in previous fighting -- reports in previous days indicated that nearby Tyre was used as a temporary morgue -- place them in the basement, and then engineer a "controlled demolition" to fake another Israeli attack.

The well-documented use by Palestinians of this kind of faked footage -- from the alleged shooting of Mohammed Dura in Gaza, scenes from Jenin of "dead" victims falling off gurneys and then climbing back on -- have merited the creation of a new film genre called "Palliwood."

There is increasing evidence that the Kana sequel is another episode in this genre, a variety which might be called Hezbollywood. The Hezbollah have evidently learned their craft well.

The current suspension of Israeli military air activity is supposedly intended, among other things, to be used for the investigation of what really happened at Qana. It is to be hoped that there are real journalists on the scene, and unbiased medical examiners, who will have the courage and intelligence to sort out the anomalies and contradictions, and get to the buried truth of what happened.

There is no shortage of victims in Lebanon and Israel these days. From this vantage point, at this time, it looks like in the case of Qana, the world's media was duped in a cruel and colossal hoax by a terror organization that knows no moral bounds in its exploitation of suffering and anti-Israel hatred. But, as usual, the only party expected to pay the full price will be Israelis.

Yes, it would be a Hollywood ending for it all to end in Qana, exactly as it did a decade ago. But perfect endings, and perfect crimes, are rarely pulled off in real life.

Israelis will not be able to investigate this claim directly. The question remains whether honest men and women of other nationalities will let this likely lie stand or press for the revelation of the improbable and inconvenient truth.


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; 2007israelwar; dhimmis; dhimmitude; fabrication; fraud; hezbollywood; islam; islamiwood; mohamedanmedia; muhammadsminions; muslim; qana; qanahoax
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1 posted on 07/31/2006 2:18:15 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: BlueSky194

This is just plain disturbing, from every angle. Some eyewitness reports talked about the continous bombing that is contradictory to the timing of the Israeli reports.

Someone doesn't have their facts straight. And really there's not a whole lot to be determined in any of this yet. Either way, there's a lot of dead women and children and either Hezbollah brought it on these civilians or they had a direct hand in it.


2 posted on 07/31/2006 2:23:31 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: BlueSky194

The next step in this parade, which has been coming for many years, is that only the bad guys can wage war.


3 posted on 07/31/2006 2:35:24 AM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: GretchenM; butternut_squash_bisque

what is so far just questions, if answers come that hezbully's did it, these animals will still stand by them


4 posted on 07/31/2006 2:38:43 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: sure_fine

It will just be a Zionist plot.


5 posted on 07/31/2006 2:40:52 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: romanesq

It does have a "Racack" like smell to it. Could it have been an accumulation of bodies from previous strikes? Maybe even murdered families of some opposed to hezbollah.


6 posted on 07/31/2006 2:41:15 AM PDT by rennatdm
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To: BlueSky194
Israelis will not be able to investigate this claim directly. The question remains whether honest men and women of other nationalities will let this likely lie stand or press for the revelation of the improbable and inconvenient truth.

Good luck with that: dead bodies are, as always, a feeding frenzy for the media.

Journalists -- CNN comes to mind -- have documented the fact that Hezbollah controls media access to these scenes of civilian casualties, and doesn't allow cameras on the scene until they have set the stage (cleared the ordnance, etc.) for maximum media impact.

Storing dead bodies, whether used in this case or not, isn't a new trick either. It's been reported that Saddam would store the dead bodies of children in advance of planned demonstrations showcasing the alleged affects of the boycott -- marching the bodies of dead children through the streets.

When the west comes to the realization that the pictures of these dead -- so shocking and heartbreaking to civilized sensibilities -- mean absolutely nothing to those whose sensibilities have been distorted and deadened from childhood by brutal child-rearing practices and violent ideology, we may then be able to summon the courage to resist the manipulation and defeat the ruthless.

7 posted on 07/31/2006 2:44:53 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: BlueSky194

And I am sure Mr. syriana, George Clooney is applauding.


8 posted on 07/31/2006 2:47:14 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: BlueSky194
It should be clear to any rational observer -- that peace will not come to the middle east until one side or the other is bled white...
INCLUDING Jihadis and non Jihadis, women, children, donkeys, dogs and camels.....

The various Islamist power brokers in the area can NOT be trusted to comply with ANY negotiated "peace".......

The Islamist is hell bent on killing...
The only way to defeat them, is to kill them in horrifyingly large numbers...

What the hell is all the commotion about a few dozen, hundred, thousand or 100's of thousands dead......when in prior wars, MILLIONS were killed?
Even if it was staged by the Hizbollah -- who the hell cares?

The Jews didn't start this mess....but their survival and our own -- depends on them WINNING it.

Semper Fi
9 posted on 07/31/2006 2:51:06 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

I don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but ALL the the rescuers had what looked like brand new clothing, none of it looked used or dirty.

None of them appeared to "veterans" of lots of work, which would be the case if they were doing this work day in day out. They all looked as if they had just been kitted out, or changed out of their fighting kit.


10 posted on 07/31/2006 3:03:18 AM PDT by crazycat
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To: river rat
"The Islamist is hell bent on killing...
The only way to defeat them, is to kill them in horrifyingly large numbers..."

Spot on river rat! Logical thinking first thing on a Monday morning bump!
11 posted on 07/31/2006 3:09:43 AM PDT by poobear (Political Left, continually accusing their foes of what THEY themselves do every day.)
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To: BlueSky194; USF; jan in Colorado

Their limbs appeared to have stiffened, from rigor mortis. Neither were effects that would have resulted from an Israeli attack hours before. These were bodies that looked like they had been dead for days...

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Thanks for posting this article. Curiouser and curiouser said Alice...


13 posted on 07/31/2006 3:14:23 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Read this.

http://judeoscope.ca/article.php3?id_article=0429
July 30 2006
A Lebanese Shia explains how Hezbollah uses human shields

In a letter to the editor of the Berlin left-wing daily Die Tageszeitung.
A Lebanese Shia explains how after Israel?s withdrawal from South Lebanon, Hezbollah stored rockets in bunkers in his town and built a school and residence over it.

I lived until 2002 in a small southern village near Mardshajund that is inhabited by a majority of Shias like me. After Israel left Lebanon, it did not take long for Hezbollah to take have its say in other towns. Received as successful resistance fighters and armed to the teeth, they stored rockets in bunkers in our town as well.

The social work of the Party of God consisted in building a school and a residence over these bunkers! A local sheikh explained to me laughing that the Jews would lose in any event because the rockets would either be fired at them or if they attacked the rockets depots, they would be condemned by world opinion on account of the dead civilians.
These people do not care about the Lebanese population, they use them as shields, and, once dead, as propaganda.
As long as they continue existing there, there will be no tranquility and peace.


14 posted on 07/31/2006 3:17:20 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: BlueSky194
"The question remains whether honest men and women of other nationalities will let this likely lie stand or press for the revelation of the improbable and inconvenient truth."

Even if honest persons were to investigate, you can dismiss the notion that the MSM will do any real reporting on the matter.

15 posted on 07/31/2006 3:22:19 AM PDT by Radix (Somehow, my Flux Capacitor got crossed up with my Interocitor.)
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To: Fred Nerks; Lady Jag; RaceBannon; flightline

Bookmark for any futher discussion of gassing, absence of blood, and those mysteriously undisturbed walls...

and a ping


16 posted on 07/31/2006 3:24:06 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: crazycat

See this blog post (warning for very explicit pictures!):

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html


17 posted on 07/31/2006 3:25:46 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: BlueSky194
Definitive proof that the Qana incident was at least partially staged: eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html
18 posted on 07/31/2006 3:27:58 AM PDT by caspera
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To: BlueSky194

These people do not care about the Lebanese population, they use them as shields, and, once dead, as propaganda.
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What can one say but God Bless Israel and give her strength and courage to prevail...


19 posted on 07/31/2006 3:28:11 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

There is no doubt that the pictures were staged. Same "rescue worker" in several shots. This guy is far more interested in milking the dead than "rescuing" any survivors.


20 posted on 07/31/2006 3:28:34 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: ScaniaBoy

You beat me to it!


21 posted on 07/31/2006 3:28:37 AM PDT by caspera
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To: BlueSky194

One of the things I noticed was the lack of blood. In building collapses there is LOTS of blood and bruises.


22 posted on 07/31/2006 3:29:20 AM PDT by McGavin999 (God watch over the young lions of Israel!)
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To: Txsleuth; AliVeritas; jeffers; Peach; Knitting A Conundrum; hipaatwo

...ping.


23 posted on 07/31/2006 3:29:39 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: BlueSky194

bttt


24 posted on 07/31/2006 3:30:11 AM PDT by Guenevere (Israel, our friend and ally.....God bless her.)
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To: river rat

"The Jews didn't start this mess...."


no they didn't, and it was a hell of alot more than what the MSM's keep limiting they reports to say; " ...after Hezbullah captured 2 Israeli soldiers"; that is just bullshit, they also killed 11 more and a few civilians at the same time plus all their attacks prior


25 posted on 07/31/2006 3:30:13 AM PDT by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: freema

If the victims were gassed, they were either gassed elsewhere or the gas had bled off before the "rescuers" went in. But the lack of blood and crushing injuries and their gray skin does seem to point towards asphyxiation of some sort.


26 posted on 07/31/2006 3:35:46 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: BlueSky194
Well at least Israel has kept up with artillery bombardment of the Hizbullah vermin.
And as at this morning Israel HAS launched an airstrike against the Hizbullah sub-humans, and reserves the right to hit ant Hizbullah movements they find threatening to Israel.
Time to resume to full unrelenting attacks against these Islamiofacist suckers.
27 posted on 07/31/2006 3:37:52 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Radix
can dismiss the notion that the MSM will do any real reporting on the matter

Well, sure. Put yourself in the reporter's position -- you can report the truth as you see it or report it as the terrorists present it to you.

If you report it as you see it, then there's a slim chance it will get exposure in the media.

If you report it as you see it, there's an even slimmer chance you will ever get access to areas where the behind-the-lines action on the terrorist side is happening.

If you report it as you see it, you may even get roughly handled or even "disappeared."

Most "investigative" reporting is done against people who aren't likely to kill the reporters, not against someone who doesn't give two hoots in Hell whether the reporter continues to stave off ambient temperature or not.

28 posted on 07/31/2006 3:37:54 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: sure_fine

Screw the press..
Screw the U.N..
Screw the Arab Street's protests...
Screw the E.U. protests..
Screw the Chinese..
Screw the Russians..
Screw em all....

Allow the Jews sufficient time and support to give the brave Muslim Jihadists what they "claim" to crave -- the opportunity to kill Jews....or die trying.

But THIS time, the Jews are coming to THEM...
But THIS time, the Jews are ARMED...
But THIS time, the Jews will kill the sonsuvbitches...

Unfortunately -- the World has become to "civilized" to permit the Jews to kill enough of the bastards...

Semper Fi


29 posted on 07/31/2006 3:38:40 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat

Arabs, lies and videotape

Why did the Lebanese rescue teams not evacuate the building until hours after the collapse and only when the camera crews came. The rescue team then took out the bodies of children slowly for the camera crews.

The Arabs prefer dead children for the camera's then to rescue their children.


30 posted on 07/31/2006 3:40:33 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: BlueSky194

July 27: From the Ottawa Citizen: Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=37278180-a261-421d-84a9-7f94d5fc6d50


31 posted on 07/31/2006 3:41:41 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: BlueSky194
"But the accumulating evidence suggests another explanation for what happened at Kana. The scenario would be a setup in which the time between the initial Israeli bombing near the building and morning reports of its collapse would have been used to "plant" bodies killed in previous fighting -- reports in previous days indicated that nearby Tyre was used as a temporary morgue -- place them in the basement, and then engineer a "controlled demolition" to fake another Israeli attack"


What kind of people will do such a thing?
Islamofacits are about the worst excuse for human beings you can get.
Totally contemptible and evil.
The more they die, the better for mankind.
32 posted on 07/31/2006 3:41:44 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: SE Mom

33 posted on 07/31/2006 3:42:41 AM PDT by AliVeritas (How do you talk to animals that blow up their own children... and yours?)
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To: Quiller
"Well, sure. Put yourself in the reporter's position -- you can report the truth as you see it or report it as the terrorists present it to you. "

That is all assuming the drive-by media are the least bit interested in reporting the truth.
Just think Dan Rather, TANG, and his fraudulent reporting from Vietnam.
An outfit like the BBC is one of the biggest Isreal-hating news outfits on the planet.
Have been for decades.
They don't really need any prompting from Hizbullah to manufacture anti-Israeli propaganda.
34 posted on 07/31/2006 3:47:03 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: browardchad

When it first was being reported, I suggested that the dead might be "political unreliables" who were being used for cover. Now I wonder if some "undesirable" families had been killed just for the media showcase


35 posted on 07/31/2006 3:47:53 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: SE Mom

Hiz firing from Apartment complex
http://www.mfa.gov.il/NR/rdonlyres/B883D7F6-FF7B-4E46-A639-643ED03F477E/0/FiringBehindBuilding.wmv


Must Visit...
http://www.danegerus.com/weblog/Comments.asp?svComment=15123

Israelly Cool is all over it
http://www.israellycool.com/

All kinds of art and knowledge (Glorious, Glorious)
http://www.danegerus.com/weblog/Right.asp

Flopping Aces (big up) with video
http://www.floppingaces.net/2006/07/29/pictures-showing-the-cowardly-hezbollah/
(with the killer roundup at bottom, trust me... there's knowledge in those links)

Regime Change Iran (smoking hot)
http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/2006/07/tehran-likely-to-gain-if-lebanon.html

Marathon Pundit (League of Villains, visits)
http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2006_07_01_marathonpundit_archive.html#115422034350072989

Tigerhawk (antiwar protests and how long on Condi banner)
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2006/07/orchestration-of-demonstrations-survey.html

Blue Crab Boulevard
(list of possible war crimes from this incident)
http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/07/30/caught-red-handed/

Hot Air (linkfest bottom)
http://hotair.com/archives/the-blog/2006/07/30/qana-bombing-building-collapsed-eight-hours-after-attack/

Powerline (building collapsed a short time before Arab journalists on the scene? Hours later?)
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014844.php

The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler
A note for Appeasement Swine on our Own Shores
http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/?p=1135
And today's
http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/

The American Thinker
Jihad Watch
EU Referendum (Milking It, graphic, must read)
http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html

Second Miracle at Cana
http://rightwingnuthouse.com/

NYT story with Christians telling what's really going on.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/28/world/middleeast/28refugees.htm?_r=1&oref=slogin

Vital Perspective also notes Article 28 of the 4th Geneva Convention:

The presence of a protected person may not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.
So the civilian casualties are, under the Geneva Convention, Hezbollah's responsibility.
http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/vital_perspective_clarity/2006/07/responding_to_t.html

Wide Awakes look at history re: Hiz
Pics
http://thewideawakes.org/archives/2006/07/28/hear-no-evil-see-no-evil-solve-no-evil-moral-equivalence-perpetuates-violence/

A reminder... for fans of moral equivalence
http://redneckperil.blogspot.com/2006/07/every-american-should-watch-this.html

Israel Vlog from Jerusalem Post
http://www.jerusalemonline.co.il/home.asp

Poles Rally at Warsaw Synagogue in Support of Israel
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/

Also at Gateway:
Islamic Extremists Gain Control of Mogadishu & Associated Press (A must read)

Because I love you... the vid closet:

War in Lebanon: Hezbollah's Use of Human Shields (Short Version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM35dzT9dUI&mode=related&search=

War in Lebanon: Hezbollah's Use of Human Shields
Longer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM35dzT9dUI&mode=related&search=

Longer, more in depth
http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/22169/Hezbollah_s_Use_of_Human_Shields

War in Lebanon: Hezbollah Fires From Behind 3-Story Bldg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWO5oU5LHFI&mode=related&search=

War in Lebanon: Hezbollah Rockets in Civilian Areas
Clear)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ8fSkSMhjw&mode=related&search=

War in Lebanon: Hezbollah Attacks From Qana; Human Shields
2:24 Must See
http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/vital_perspective_clarity/2006/07/responding_to_t.html


36 posted on 07/31/2006 3:48:51 AM PDT by AliVeritas (How do you talk to animals that blow up their own children... and yours?)
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To: Fred Nerks

Good eye Fred.


37 posted on 07/31/2006 3:49:51 AM PDT by AliVeritas (How do you talk to animals that blow up their own children... and yours?)
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To: crazycat

I'm not ashamed to admit -- I've come to distrust every damned thing out of most Muslim's mouth, camera, papers, TV, radio or literature.

By "religion" and "culture" they're liars and totally untrustworthy to "infidels".....

EVERYTHING requires independent verification...

It will not be long, before our "good friends" the Afghans and Iraqi will "pull a France" -- and stab us in the back...
To the "pious" Muslim -- Islam comes before EVERYTHING...especially the interests of an "infidel"..

The saving grace to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, is not that we've actually earned their "friendship" - but that they gave us a killing ground to destroy the neighborhood Jihadists...
Both countries were excellent "shit magnets" and the turds came running to the slaughter.

Semper Fi


38 posted on 07/31/2006 3:50:59 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: BlueSky194

Because they knew the kids were already dead previously.


39 posted on 07/31/2006 3:51:57 AM PDT by AliVeritas (How do you talk to animals that blow up their own children... and yours?)
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To: BlueSky194
It is clear in Lebanon and Iraq, the terrorists choose to fight cloaked as citizens and hiding among them. I wonder if both Israel and the US might not have to change our tactics. Fighting a hidden enemy with 500 pounders is allowing them to win the propaganda war, with a media all to willing to help them do just that. I wonder if we should not begin fighting in the same manner the enemy is fighting. Small, un-uniformed, tactical assassin squads.
40 posted on 07/31/2006 3:52:09 AM PDT by IamConservative (Humility is not thinking less of oneself; humility is thinking about oneself less.)
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To: BlueSky194

Little Green Footballs ( www.littlegreenfootballs.com ) is all over this. Also Powerline blog has an interesting poster of Condi shown just a few hours after the building collapse that is waaaaay too professional to have been made that quick.


41 posted on 07/31/2006 3:52:51 AM PDT by sportutegrl (A person is a person, no matter how small. (Dr. Seuss))
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To: BlueSky194
Do you think they'll offer this man a job?




42 posted on 07/31/2006 3:53:16 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: SE Mom

It wouldn't be the first time the jihadists did this; but maybe it will be the first time that the UN will be forced to understand Hezbollywood and how it works.

With technology today, I'd think it would be more difficult to get away with these fake scenes.


43 posted on 07/31/2006 3:54:19 AM PDT by Peach (Prayers for Israel and all who love her.)
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To: BlueSky194

That was a Reuters photo, BTW.


44 posted on 07/31/2006 3:56:08 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: BlueSky194

Hell, even the Saudi "Burka Patrol" perferred that young school girls burn to death, rather than allow them to escape into the street with their heads uncovered...

The story I read - had them actually force some young girls back into the burning building to their death, because they were not "properly attired"...

The bastards are certifiably insane -- and must be destroyed..

Semper Fi


45 posted on 07/31/2006 3:58:05 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: AliVeritas

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/07/milking-it.html

From this link you posted - there is a remarkable sequence here- showing the SAME rescue worker, holding the SAME child's body for a photo op- but the time stamps on the photographers cameras are DIFFERENT- these pics were taken an hour apart- yet the same body is present.

This is proof of something so evil there are no wrods to describe it..

Thank you for this great list of links (love the editorials with each!)


46 posted on 07/31/2006 4:04:50 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: river rat

Here is the story:
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/03/15/saudia3801.htm

A "cleaned up" version by the Human Rights watch -- who hate being "unkind" to Islamists.





Saudi Arabia: Religious Police Role in School Fire Criticized
(New York, March 15, 2002)

Saudi authorities should conduct an independent, thorough, and transparent investigation of the March 11 fire at a girls' public intermediate school in Mecca that claimed the lives of at least fourteen students, Human Rights Watch said today. The tragedy has focused attention on the role of the religious police as well as the state agency responsible for the education of girls and women in the kingdom

Women and girls may have died unnecessarily because of extreme interpretations of the Islamic dress code. State authorities with direct and indirect responsibility for this tragedy must be held accountable

Hanny Megally
Executive Director of the Middle East and North Africa Division of Human Rights Watch.

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Eyewitnesses, including civil defense officers, reported that several members of the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (mutawwa'in, in Arabic) interfered with rescue efforts because the fleeing students were not wearing the obligatory public attire (long black cloaks and head coverings) for Saudi girls and women. The mutawwa'in, a law-enforcement agency that has sought to ensure the application of the kingdom's strict gender segregation and dress code for women, has drawn criticism for abusive practices including harassment, physical abuse, and arbitrary arrest.
"Women and girls may have died unnecessarily because of extreme interpretations of the Islamic dress code," said Hanny Megally, Executive Director of the Middle East and North Africa division of Human Rights Watch. "State authorities with direct and indirect responsibility for this tragedy must be held accountable."

There were 835 students and fifty-five women teachers in Intermediate School No. 31 when the blaze started at about 8:00 in the morning, according to Saudi press reports. Saudi newspapers suggested that the school, located in a rented building, was overcrowded, and may have lacked proper safety infrastructure and equipment, such as fire stairs and alarms.

The government's investigation should also examine unsafe conditions at the school, which is administered by the General Presidency for Girls' Education (GPGE), Human Rights Watch added.

Yesterday's edition of Arab News (Jeddah) cited a report prepared by Mecca's Civil Defense Department about the rescue effort at the school. The report noted that mutawwa'in were at the school's main gate and, "intentionally obstructed the efforts to evacuate the girls. This resulted in the increased number of casualties." The religious police reportedly tried to block the entry of Civil Defense officers into the building. "We told them that the situation was dangerous and it was not the time to discuss religious issues, but they refused and started shouting at us," Arab News quoted Civil Defense officers as saying.

"Whenever the girls got out through the main gate, these people forced them to return via another. Instead of extending a helping hand for the rescue work, they were using their hands to beat us," Civil Defense officers were quoted as saying. The officers also said they saw three people beating girls who had evacuated the school without proper dress. A Saudi journalist told Human Rights Watch that the mutawwa'in at the scene also turned away parents and other residents who came to assist.

The tragedy has prompted Saudi journalists to call for greater openness on the part of the GPGE in response to inquiries from the media for information about its policies and practices. All aspects of state-financed education for girls in Saudi Arabia, including the renting of buildings for schools, is under the authority of the GPGE, an autonomous government agency long controlled by conservative clerics. "A free flow of information would. . . help the press to prepare an investigative report on other schools in the Kingdom where conditions might also endanger the lives of students and teachers," Deputy Editor-in-Chief Jamal A. Khashoggi wrote in yesterday's Arab News.

He urged that the GPGE provide information about fire safety in its schools for girls, including the number of fire extinguishers, the frequency of fire drills, as well as details about the contracts for the thousands of rented school premises in the kingdom, including provisions for installation of emergency exits and fire alarms.

The kingdom's intermediate public schools, which are segregated by gender, provide three years of education for children between the ages of twelve and fifteen, following a six-year program of elementary education.

Saudi Arabia is a state party to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child and the U.N. Convention on the Elimination of all forms of Discrimination against Women.

Megally added that in the midst of this tragedy it was encouraging to see relatively open discussion of need for investigation in the traditionally very quiescent Saudi press.


47 posted on 07/31/2006 4:06:07 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Peach; AliVeritas

See the list of links posted by Ali- and then study the link I ref'd in # 46.

This was staged.


48 posted on 07/31/2006 4:06:20 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet-pray for Israel))
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To: BlueSky194

Given the history of terrorists and their manipulation of the media, this version of the building collapse has a ring of truth to it - and it worked!! The IDF has stopped air attacks for 48 hours!! Will they get those 48 hours worth of air raids back when it is conclusively proven that the Qana building collapse was faked?

Not likeley, but the terrorists will have given themselves a 48 hour edge to re-stock their munitions supplies.


49 posted on 07/31/2006 4:06:53 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: SE Mom

Good catches, SE Mom and everyone.


50 posted on 07/31/2006 4:11:35 AM PDT by Peach (Prayers for Israel and all who love her.)
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