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How to Lose to Terrorists
American Spectator ^ | 31 July 06 | Ben Stein

Posted on 07/31/2006 5:46:21 AM PDT by rellimpank

We are in real serious trouble, and I'll tell you how and why I know it:

* Because the Hezbollah -- as has been well reported -- launches missiles at purely civilian targets in Israel as a matter of course, and no one in Europe or in the American left says "boo" about it. It's considered the Hezbollah's "right" to kill Israelis and when they do, they boast about it and promise to do more;

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: benstein; hezbollah; islam; lebanon; stein; tas; terror; war
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1 posted on 07/31/2006 5:46:22 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
Two Words

Elect DemocRATS

2 posted on 07/31/2006 5:47:54 AM PDT by lormand (Kill terrorists on the battlefield)
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To: rellimpank
Ben Stein is correct: we simply have to kill them ALL if civilization as we know is going to survive. If we can't stomach the kind of blood-letting it will take to preserve our freedoms and our sovereignty, we assuredly will not get to keep it for future generations. Stein has explained in a blunt way the stakes involved for the future of Israel and the West.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

3 posted on 07/31/2006 5:51:22 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: lormand

I agree with you. Could you even imagine the amount of bending over the IDF would be doing if we had Kerry/Edwards in office? No to mention in Iraq and on and on. There was devine intervention in my opinion in 2004 by 3.5 million smart Americans.


4 posted on 07/31/2006 5:52:13 AM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom to OSSR Richard T. Blalock-USS Ramage)
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To: rellimpank

Antisemitic bias is MSM standard operating procedure. I try to relate it to say Mexico or Canada lobing missiles into our country and how the MSM would react. Hmmm...probably the same way as with the hezzies launching missiles into Israel.


5 posted on 07/31/2006 5:52:56 AM PDT by GBA
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To: rellimpank

There are two battlefields.

The real one, and the virtual battlefield.

Terrorists cannot be victorious on a real battlefield against a real military.

They cannot take ground, they cannot defend ground, they cannot achieve a military victory, tactical victory, nor even a win strategic positioning.

The only thing a terrorist can do is kill.

They rely completely upon the virtual battlefield to win against any opponent: It's a Propaganda War.

KNOWING that there *IS* a Propaganda War is the first step in defeating terrorists. KNOWING that the Propaganda War is real, and is the only chance for a victory against the US, almost, all by itself, destroys any chance of victory against the US.

Let everybody know that this war, like most of the wars the US has fought since World War II relies upon the Propaganda War more heavily than any battlefield's results.


6 posted on 07/31/2006 5:55:12 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: rellimpank
You cannot fight inhumane people with humane means.

Great article. Give back what they dish out and let them deal with the consequences. If they whine and complain, too bad; they're only getting what they have no problem giving.

7 posted on 07/31/2006 5:56:27 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: rellimpank
re :Because it is impossible to beat a terrorist movement without using terror tactics.

LOL political pundits like this would make me laugh if it wasn't that they try to influence people to fight the war in a way that does more damage to us

8 posted on 07/31/2006 5:58:37 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: rellimpank

"You cannot fight inhumane people with humane means. You cannot fight savages with one hand -- no, two hands -- tied behind your back. No wars were ever won using restraint and only civilized means. That's a formula for complete defeat and for the end of civilized life."

Bump


9 posted on 07/31/2006 6:00:29 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: rellimpank

The simple reason is most people in the west do not believe we are at war.

When that fact is finally driven home by a major western city going up in smoke I think things will change. People will then actually fear for their lives and demand something be done it about with extreme prejudice.

Sadly not before.


10 posted on 07/31/2006 6:01:23 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Maelstrom
re :The only thing a terrorist can do is kill.

I totally agree, the only way to win against a terrorist is to attrt the terrorist while creating stability in the region they operate in.

11 posted on 07/31/2006 6:01:40 AM PDT by tonycavanagh
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To: lormand
My guess is that if the dims were to take over, we would pull our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and then pursue only a policy of "law enforcement". The FBI would track leads, along with Interpol, etc. on terrorist activities. The results would be we would just sit back and wait for the next 9/11 to happen.

Every terrorist killed in Iraq or Afghanistan is one that we won't have to kill over here after he has struck!

12 posted on 07/31/2006 6:03:04 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Former SAC Trained Killer)
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To: rellimpank

I find it unbelievable that the points made in Stein's fine article aren't bleedingly freaking obvious to any sane person (and even some liberals).


13 posted on 07/31/2006 6:06:06 AM PDT by BadAndy ("Loud mouth internet Rambo")
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To: goldstategop

Nothing but Jesus Christ himself will be able to COMPLETELY eliminate terrorism.


From my viewpoint there are only 2 ways the terrorist can be completely beaten once and for all. Knock them down and they'll just rise up again later. They need to either

a) be completely wiped out, and the world is too politcally correct to even mouth the words much less carry it out.

b) That Jesus Christ' return proves to them once and for all that there religion was wrong and they bow down before him.


14 posted on 07/31/2006 6:06:19 AM PDT by diverteach
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To: rellimpank

How to Lose to Terrorists- Force an ally into a unilateral cease fire.

How to Lose to Terrorists- Allow yourself to be forced into a unilateral cease fire.


15 posted on 07/31/2006 6:07:03 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice: She can put US pressure on Israel and she plays the piano.)
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To: rellimpank

Backing down in a fight like this hasn't done any good in the past; yet we continue to back down thinking the results will be different. All to create the impression that we're "better than the enemy". All because of what Other People will think (hint: there's no "thinking" involved). Let them think (feeeeeeeel) what they want!

It's time we use our power to eliminate the enemy and stop dragging this out. It's not getting any better. When the freaks declared war on us on 9/11 that was pretty much it for me. This has to stop!


16 posted on 07/31/2006 6:11:14 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: rellimpank
From the tail end of the article:
If we allow our media and French intellectuals to prevent us and the Israelis from using the means necessary to win, we'll lose...in Lebanon, in Iraq, and everywhere and this civilization is very well worth preserving. Yes, as sad as it would be to use terror tactics to win a war, it would be incomparably worse to lose. At the end of the war we win, there is light. At the end of the war we lose, there is the end.

Gotta love Ben!

17 posted on 07/31/2006 6:11:58 AM PDT by upchuck (Me wish for Democrats to die? No, I just want them to develop Tourette's Syndrome. ~American Quilter)
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To: DB
Sadly you are right.
The only consolation we can have is that the city destroyed will probably be choke full of leftist and/or Muslims
Also this is another good reason for conservative to move to the boondocks
18 posted on 07/31/2006 6:12:17 AM PDT by 1903A3
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To: rellimpank

The only harmless Muslims are the dead ones.


19 posted on 07/31/2006 6:14:22 AM PDT by blam
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To: rellimpank

Outstanding article. Well said and to the point.


20 posted on 07/31/2006 6:18:57 AM PDT by listenhillary (Only the stupidest of animals fouls it's own nest - Democrats provide a fine example of this)
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To: rellimpank

Good article.

After trying to watch the news on TV yesterday (and getting tired of hearing my husband and myself yelling at the TV screen)...here's the conclusion I've come to.

There are "voices of reason" in the written media, Stein being one of them, and there are many others.

There are "voices of reason" on the radio.

However, TV, even Fox, is sorely lacking in perspective. The only person on TV who is "telling it like it is" on the WOT and the Israeli/hezbollah conflict is Glenn Beck. Apart from him, Krauthammer has good things to say, but he's only on occasionally.

I'm tuning out TV news for the most part, or else I may have to go on blood pressure meds, LOL.


21 posted on 07/31/2006 6:20:56 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: rellimpank

Within hours of Pearl Harbor the U.S. began unrestricted submarine warfare against the Axis. Those we the same tactics we considered inhumane earlier. In October of 2001 the American public would have supported nuking Al Qaida if we could get them in all in one place. Now we're arguing over which kind of trials they should get. Now we're arguing if the Executive branch should have to fill out an inch and half of forms before we can intercept their communications.


22 posted on 07/31/2006 6:41:21 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: rellimpank

Ben's got it.

I wonder how long it will take for us collectively to get it?

Clauswitz, who thought more deeply about the nature and purpose of war than anyone since Sun Tzu, observed that in the long run total war is the most merciful.

Israel should be bombing Shi'ite neighborhoods and villages at the rate of one thousand pound bomb per Hezbollah rocket fired into Israel, and at the same time, continuing to exercise restraint when targetting Hezbollah positions in Christian neighborhoods.


23 posted on 07/31/2006 6:46:36 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Sabramerican
The terrorists can not exist without the support of a nation state. The source of the terrorism is not Hezbolla. Hezbolla is merely the arm of the terrorist state and not the body. It is like a lizard in the desert. If you cut off an arm it will grow a new one. To defeat this terror you must kill the body that supports the arm. The body is Syria and Iran.
24 posted on 07/31/2006 7:10:11 AM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: AmericanChef
"Backing down in a fight like this hasn't done any good in the past; yet we continue to back down thinking the results will be different."

If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten, and to think otherwise is the very definition of insanity.
25 posted on 07/31/2006 7:17:37 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: rellimpank
At the end of the war we win, there is light. At the end of the war we lose, there is the end.

This cannot be said often enough.

26 posted on 07/31/2006 7:45:52 AM PDT by Gritty (A'd'jad is a hooker for mullah pimps who see Koranic prophecies are just not happening - I. Graulich)
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To: rellimpank
Sadly, it's going to take a major US city being vaporized for people to do something.

But then again, I thought we would wake up after 9/11. The Islamofascists brought NYC to it's knees with boxcutters. They can't be allowed to get nukes.
27 posted on 07/31/2006 8:00:15 AM PDT by varyouga (I no longer fear death. I only fear the day when the DUmmies take over.)
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To: DB

I agree. The Anglo-Saxon countries, especially, are slow to react to danger (e.g., from Nazi Germany or Japan) but when they do react....


28 posted on 07/31/2006 8:06:11 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Maelstrom; All
--every enemy that we (and Israel) have realizes that if they can hold out for a few years, the traitor wing of the Democrats will negate any efforts we make and give them victory, also--
29 posted on 07/31/2006 8:08:33 AM PDT by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Sabramerican
"How to Lose to Terrorists- Force an ally into a unilateral cease fire. How to Lose to Terrorists- Allow yourself to be forced into a unilateral cease fire."

Exactly!
30 posted on 07/31/2006 8:21:30 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (The Arab League jihad continues on like a fart in an elevator - FR American in Israel)
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem; dennisw; Nachum; Yehuda; sheik yerbouty; Alexander Rubin; timsbella; ...

Ben Stein nails it - ping!


31 posted on 07/31/2006 8:23:31 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (The Arab League jihad continues on like a fart in an elevator - FR American in Israel)
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To: rellimpank

BINGO BUMP!


32 posted on 07/31/2006 8:29:56 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: DB

"When that fact is finally driven home by a major western city going up in smoke I think things will change."

I'm not sure they will even if this happens.

Remember that shortly after the WTC there was much wringing of hands and people asking the question, "What did we do to make them so mad?"

Many Americans simply cannot conceive of an enemy that believes that their sacred duty is to kill us.

ie. "There are no evil people in the world, they are just misunderstood"


33 posted on 07/31/2006 8:37:17 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: goldstategop

Churchill said something about facing down an enemy before he gets so strong that you have to fight to preserve your nation, or even to fight knowing you're going to die because it's better to be free and dead than to live as a slave.

Looking at the gathering conflagration with a speck of objectivity, I'm becoming more and more convinced that politically you can not convince a free people to engage in total war on the basis of what may happen. Even though the gathering barbarism and brutality of the enemy becomes more flagrant every day, and we can see it as plainly as the nose on our faces, there are too many people who think this is just international politics as usual, to turn our ship-of-state onto a total war footing at the present time. Churchill was scorned for years until France fell and Dunkirk happened, then they wanted him "on that wall."

Simply put, things aren't bad enough yet for us to do the things that are necessary to put this down.


34 posted on 07/31/2006 8:47:54 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I have to take a shower.)
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To: Maelstrom

"They rely completely upon the virtual battlefield to win against any opponent: It's a Propaganda War.

KNOWING that there *IS* a Propaganda War is the first step in defeating terrorists. KNOWING that the Propaganda War is real, and is the only chance for a victory against the US, almost, all by itself, destroys any chance of victory against the US. "

CORRECT. Well said.


35 posted on 07/31/2006 10:00:17 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: ichabod1

"Looking at the gathering conflagration with a speck of objectivity, I'm becoming more and more convinced that politically you can not convince a free people to engage in total war on the basis of what may happen. Even though the gathering barbarism and brutality of the enemy becomes more flagrant every day, and we can see it as plainly as the nose on our faces, there are too many people who think this is just international politics as usual, to turn our ship-of-state onto a total war footing at the present time. Churchill was scorned for years until France fell and Dunkirk happened, then they wanted him "on that wall." "

Let's add that Bush - the Churchill of our day - has gotten pummelled for fighting a 'pre-emtive' war where the impending threat was analyszed and now, post-facto, judged by some to be wanting (ie the "Bush lied, people died" mantra). ... By scorning just the kind of leadership that can save us from grave crises in the future, the democratic orders (and the Democrat party) has GUARANTEED the creation of grave crises in the future.

To wit: We will not fight Iran, etc. until it is too late to make it any easy fight.


36 posted on 07/31/2006 10:05:30 AM PDT by WOSG
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To: goldstategop
Re your post #3, you and Mr. Stein see things clearly and know what has to be done.

I think that when things become so obvious to the average real American, i.e., those that live in the red states and some in the blue states, such as yourself in deep, dark California, things will get done. Many of us have had military training (though mine is 46 years old) and probably could be "whipped into shape" fairly quickly.

37 posted on 07/31/2006 10:09:36 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Convert from ECUSA

You bet!


38 posted on 07/31/2006 10:10:25 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: WOSG
I believe it is probable that the West (America and Israel) has already lost the war. We do not have the will to win. We want to talk. The Nazis want to kill us. We want to talk. We absolutely refuse to try to understand the reality of Jihad. 1.2 billion Muslims have been and are being inculcated with Jihad (their struggle or Mein Kamp). Not all Muslims are on the front lines, but they are controlled by those who are. We do not hear this supposed 90% speaking out loudly, or at all. Our MSM are so effeminate that they cannot stand to see the death and destruction, so they want our leadership to talk, with a predictable outcome that their own progeny will be their victims. They kick the can down the road, but we are very near the end of that road. When nuclear capibility is in the Jihadist hands, it will be too late. A city, or the nation of Israel, is the lefts' in this coutries sacrifice to their lack of resolve to first see the problem as it is and not as they would like it to be, and 2, to act with a preventative destruction of our sworn enemies. Those 2 notions, we are told, is politically incorrect.

And so, we are loosing this war. We do not love our children enough to protect them from what is to come. We do not love our way of life enough to stand up and do what is obviously necessary to win the war. We ask the best of us (our soldiers) to stand in Iraq and Israel to take the slings and arrowns as a temporary stop-gap measure. We say to them, "You die, but keep them away from our doors." We will continue our commerce and relaxation. It is too much to inform ourselves about the facists promise to us, that they will kill us and our children. Let us not think about the reality today." We have lost the war as demonstrated by the inane media commentary which lays the blame of the Lebanon front at the feet of Israel. Consider this,...Israel is to blame because they have failed to continue to suffer Hezeboalla to continue to rain Katyushas more than 1000 rockets and have finally decided to try to stop the war which has been waged against Israel. To arive at that conclusion is mind boggling. Yet, that is where the American populace is to be found. We have lost the war because we want to be left alone at the expense of a false perception of freedom. We are not free from them choosing a time and place to strike us. It is coming and it will be devastating. Our ability to concentrate on 9-11 lasted about 6 months. It will be the same when a nuclear device is detonated on our soil.

If we do not bengin to think clearly our days are numbered. Someone must win. There will not be a negotiated settlement. I have never seen such resolve as in the Jihadist. They are taking on the Americn Military and that takes stones. The are winning the war because the American Media control the majority of our population perceptions and with their efforts giving aid and comfort to the Jihadist turn our own people against our leadership. The left in this country are up front in their sympathy with our sworn enemies. We tie our militarys' hands and will not use the tools which we have to win this war. We could win decisively, but our sensibilities refuse to allow our victory, and for that we will suffer mightily. If we fail to let the American and Israeli military do their jobs, in all of its forms, and with all of its tools, we will loose this war. This is real and it is now, and it is here. Have we already already decided to loose? I ask this question in all seriousness.

39 posted on 07/31/2006 10:37:54 AM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: ichabod1
"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, and still yet if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you, and only a precarious chance for survival. - There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." Winston Churchill
40 posted on 07/31/2006 11:28:56 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I have to take a shower.)
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To: rellimpank; afraidfortherepublic; Alexander Rubin; Alien Gunfighter; AmericaUnite; ...
Ben Stein Ping!

This is an infrequent ping list for Ben Stein’s current articles.

Tell me if you want on.


41 posted on 07/31/2006 6:53:04 PM PDT by Purple GOPer (The government is a group of people who are usually ungoverned.)
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To: rellimpank; potlatch; ntnychik; Smartass; Boazo; Alamo-Girl; PhilDragoo; ...

ben stein ping; thanks, Purple!


42 posted on 07/31/2006 7:07:02 PM PDT by bitt ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: Purple GOPer
Thanks for the Ping...
Another strike for Ben Stein.


     
Support the war on terror...


 

43 posted on 07/31/2006 7:08:06 PM PDT by Smartass ("In God We Trust" - "An informed and knowledgeably citizen is the best defense against tyranny")
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To: Texas Songwriter; Fred Nerks; USF; Just A Nobody; Former Dodger
We tie our militarys' hands and will not use the tools which we have to win this war.

Excellent post!

44 posted on 07/31/2006 7:13:46 PM PDT by jan in Colorado (http://www.bootmurtha.com -www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com)
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To: Purple GOPer

That's Ben Stein at his best. I love the guy. Get rid of the bleeding heart PC fools in the media and it will be a good start.


45 posted on 07/31/2006 7:36:19 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: rellimpank

As much as I hate to see the loss of the innocents, God told the Israelites in Old Testament times to do away completely with their enemies. It was because of their moral depravity and their abilities to turn others away from God that they were told to do this. Same is true in this instance. Hezbollah needs to feel the wrath of God and to see that we are willing to fight back. Ben Stein writes so well.


46 posted on 07/31/2006 7:59:45 PM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: bitt

Thanks!


47 posted on 07/31/2006 8:00:55 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: rellimpank

Good piece by Ben Stein.

Don't negotiate with terrorists, kill them.


48 posted on 07/31/2006 8:45:28 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: blam

Right you are

Here 3 harmless ones
Ayman Taha
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1553478/posts

Hatim Kathiria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477079/posts

ALI ABASS
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1460835/posts

3 brave men died so that you can sit in safety and make stupid remarks.


49 posted on 07/31/2006 9:32:26 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Texas Songwriter

I believe it is probable that the West (America and Israel) has already lost the war. We do not have the will to win.

Thank you for your imput. Rest assured we will give it a the merit and consideration it deserves.


50 posted on 07/31/2006 9:35:14 PM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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