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Lopez Obrador's Supporters Occupy Capital of Mexico (City Center Shut Down - Vow to Force Recount)
San Diego Tribune ^ | July 31, 2006 | S. Lynne Walker

Posted on 07/31/2006 8:19:58 AM PDT by StJacques

MEXICO CITY – Leftist Andrés Manuel López Obrador led his supporters into Mexico City's streets yesterday and launched an occupation of the nation's capital that he vowed to continue until federal electoral officials accept his demand for a recount in the presidential election.

Casting the protest as a defense of Mexico's fragile democracy, López Obrador outlined a detailed plan to close nearly two dozen main thoroughfares by setting up encampments in the heart of Mexico City's business district.

He also promised to stay with supporters “day and night” at a permanent camp he asked them to set up in the city's historic main plaza, the Zócalo.

“This goes beyond the fact that they should recognize my triumph as president of the republic,” López Obrador told a crowd of several hundred thousand supporters packed into the Zócalo yesterday. “The fundamental issue is that there is democracy in our country.”. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2006; amlo; election; lopezobrador; mexelect; mexico; mexicocity; prd; protest; tooclosetocall
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Pay attention everyone, this is NOT an incremental step in the escalation of post-election tensions in Mexico. This is a qualitative leap forward in the ratcheting of pressure Lopez Obrador and his supporters are placing upon the Mexican Federal Electoral Tribunal to order a complete hand recount of all 41 plus million ballots of the July 2 election.

I have also been at the Mexico City newspaper site El Universal this morning and it is filled with stories of the shutting down of Mexico City's central district.

Many observers recognize that if the full recount Lopez Obrador is demanding, which is not provided for under Mexican electoral law due to the fact that the vote is certified by party representatives in each precinct on election day, does go ahead and does not favor him that he and his followers will demand that the election be "annulled," an option that is provided for under Mexican law.

Today's occupation of the center of the nation's capital and its accomapanying closure of the city's central district -- which is where the government buildings are -- could be the first step towards a seizure of the government on the part of Mexico's left. It would be going too far to say that is what is going on, but Lopez Obrador and his followers have erected 47 encampments around the city they are describing as "permanent" unless their demands are met. This is for real.
1 posted on 07/31/2006 8:20:01 AM PDT by StJacques
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To: StJacques

Haven't I heard this story before? Except I thought the name was El Goro, or something like that.


2 posted on 07/31/2006 8:22:08 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: StJacques

Looks like someone's been takin' Algore lessons.


3 posted on 07/31/2006 8:22:17 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: conservative in nyc; CedarDave; Pikachu_Dad; BunnySlippers; machogirl; NinoFan; chilepepper; ...
A Mexican post-election ping for you all.

Guys, the news coming off the Mexican web sites on all of this is continually breaking and I would like to find something appropriate to translate for you all, but there is just so much right now. I am somewhat busy today, so it's going to be difficult for me to get enough free time to do anything.

What I may do later on is put a "summary" of major news stories from the Mexican press within this thread with appropriate links and, in that event, I will ping you all from there.
4 posted on 07/31/2006 8:23:11 AM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: StJacques
YYYAWWWN!
Why doesn't this sucker go grow tomatoes or something?
Or make a movie about "global warming"?
Algore did.
5 posted on 07/31/2006 8:23:40 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: LIConFem

i still have a bad feeling this will get bloody before all is said and done (remember south american leftists LOVE guns)


6 posted on 07/31/2006 8:24:07 AM PDT by jneesy
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To: StJacques

Mob Rule


7 posted on 07/31/2006 8:26:10 AM PDT by RoadTest (Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto: in God is our trust.)
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To: RoadTest

That's what Obrador has in mind.


8 posted on 07/31/2006 8:29:34 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: StJacques

When's the shootin' start?


9 posted on 07/31/2006 8:30:02 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: StJacques

My in-laws in Monterrey are starting to get concerned about a very real civil war or a new Revolution.

Obragore has lots and lots of very poor people he has promised bolgna sandwiches to,as well as the Teacher's Union (which, as you know, is as powerful as the AFL-CIO in the George Meany days).

In the meantime, almost all external investment has come to a screetching halt.

I check in with the in laws pretty frequently -- they are standard middle class surburbanites, so I'll chip in with info "from the ground" where I can.


10 posted on 07/31/2006 8:32:05 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: StJacques


We're going to count them till I win. :)


11 posted on 07/31/2006 8:32:25 AM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: StJacques

Please add me to the ping list as well.


12 posted on 07/31/2006 8:32:41 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: nina0113; All
Ok nina, you're on it.

I want to post a Mexican political cartoon I put up last night on another thread for everyone to see.

Lopez Obrador is wrapped up in a strait jacket, falling from the sky, and shouting "I am the President of Mexicoooooooo . . ."


13 posted on 07/31/2006 8:37:52 AM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: StJacques

If all economic activity in El DeFectuoso is shut down, how will we be able to tell?


14 posted on 07/31/2006 8:38:27 AM PDT by Utahrd
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To: nina0113

Perhaps this is a bad time to buy that condo in Baja.

Seriously, given Mexico's political history, a violent attempt to seize power is a real possiblity.


15 posted on 07/31/2006 8:38:36 AM PDT by sdillard
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To: freedumb2003

Thanks, I would like to hear what your in-laws have to say.

My husband and I lived in Mexico for a year and were thinking about staying but his retirement check was impossible to process through Mexican banks, in fact everything from renting to parking was an extreme problem, not to speak of telephone. You had to bribe everybody for everything.


16 posted on 07/31/2006 8:41:02 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: StJacques
This is a qualitative leap forward in the ratcheting of pressure Lopez Obrador and his supporters are placing upon the Mexican Federal Electoral Tribunal to order a complete hand recount of all 41 plus million ballots of the July 2 election.

There may be another revolution in Mexico's future. This doesn't bode well.
17 posted on 07/31/2006 8:43:06 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: sdillard
Seriously, given Mexico's political history, a violent attempt to seize power is a real possiblity.

It won't hold if Nuevo Leon stares them down (which they have done in the past).

All real commerce and manufacturing engines are centered in Monterrey. And that is a PAN stronghold.

But it will be a mess if it goes that far. Mexico could split with Guadalajara and Monterrey (the 2 biggest cities outside of Mexico City) holding the North.

18 posted on 07/31/2006 8:43:41 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (A Conservative will die for individual freedom. A Liberal will kill you for the good of society.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Haven't I heard this story before? Except I thought the name was El Goro, or something like that.

Mexico has become Baja Florida.

19 posted on 07/31/2006 8:43:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: StJacques
A week ago: MPU futures = 9.1625
                     tradesports = 2.0 bid @ 2.8

This a. m.: MPU futures = 9.1500, down .0400
                     tradesports = 4.2 bid @ 5.0, 1 up, no trades yet today

Bottom line: the mkt, as always, is an anticipatory discounting mechanism for price. Right now, the mkt is saying, ''Yeah, ObraGore, we see ya. You ain't got no smoke yet, pachuco.''

20 posted on 07/31/2006 8:44:01 AM PDT by SAJ (Strongly suggest buying Dec EC, JY, AD straddles, this week. Somethin's GONNA give.)
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To: StJacques

What you are saying, then, that if the recount STILL goes against him, Lopez-Obrador is not going to accept that finding either, and will go into a permanent protest movement, in effect paralyzing what little authority the Federal government in Mexico still has.

At which point, the few remaining Mexicans still in Mexico will be running like rabbits to get out of town before things get REALLY bad.

And you thought we had trouble controlling our borders before....

Mexicans will be turning up in Argentina.


21 posted on 07/31/2006 8:45:01 AM PDT by alloysteel (My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling, but it Wobbles, and the letters get in the wrong places.)
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To: StJacques
Cry Marxism and let slip the hanging chads!!!
22 posted on 07/31/2006 8:46:31 AM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: squarebarb
"La Mordida" is the eternal grease that makes Mexico work. It is a real shame that Mexico's political heritage did not include the Magna Carta, Rule of Law, protection of private property as in English Law. Instead they have institutionalized corruption. Just when you think things are getting better, more s--- happens.
23 posted on 07/31/2006 8:46:58 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: StJacques


"Throngs gather Sunday in support of
Mexican presidential candidate
Andrés Manuel López Obrador."
24 posted on 07/31/2006 8:49:45 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: DustyMoment
"There may be another revolution in Mexico's future. This doesn't bode well. "

Keep eyes open for a Muslim connection. This would be right up their alley as far as Management of Savagery and would surely suck us in.

25 posted on 07/31/2006 8:50:35 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Tzimisce

This almost sounds like the Gubernatorial election in Washington State, but with Mel Brooks campfire scenes.

Governor Christine "Hit until your happy" Gregoire.

Can you imagine a golf game between Bill Clinton, Christine Gregoire, Kim Jong Il, and Tiger Woods? It would be the only time in Tiger's entire career that he'd come in dead last in a match.


26 posted on 07/31/2006 8:54:44 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: squarebarb

No rule of law. No private property rights. I've visited Mexico lots of times but would never invest a nickle.


27 posted on 07/31/2006 8:56:55 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Lion Den Dan
"Keep eyes open for a Muslim connection. This would be right up their alley as far as Management of Savagery and would surely suck us in."

No Muslim connection, but during the campaign the Mexican government expelled Venezuelan Chavistas, along with Bolivian activists and Cuban agents from the country for interfering in Mexico's domestic political process, a legal act under Mexican electoral law. And of course they were there to support Lopez Obrador.

The danger here is quite real, this is not something that is separate from the larger political landscape in which the Latin American Left operates.
28 posted on 07/31/2006 8:58:19 AM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: StJacques

Have there been any Bev Harris sightings in Mexico City?


29 posted on 07/31/2006 8:58:27 AM PDT by Purrcival (The Hez-bullies must be destroyed!)
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To: StJacques
What's he saying? 'We will keep counting and recouting until we get the results we want and we will shut down and hold the city 'hostage' until we do.' Isn't this just really just a coup attempt? Well, algore should be proud.

Leftist Andrés Manuel López Obrador led his supporters into Mexico City's streets yesterday and launched an occupation of the nation's capital that he vowed to continue until federal electoral officials accept his demand for a recount in the presidential election.

I think Mexico needs to take a serious look at this, at least keep a close eye on this 'occupation', the supporters of this lunacy to make sure it doesn't launch into a French style riot or trucker strike.

30 posted on 07/31/2006 9:05:51 AM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: StJacques

What, don't they have DIEBOLD in Mexico?


31 posted on 07/31/2006 9:08:54 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up two (2) seats in the Senate and four (4) seats in the House in 2006)
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To: alloysteel
"Mexicans will be turning up in Argentina."

Good. It's about time they learned to run the other way. Chavez will be happy- or shoot them all.

32 posted on 07/31/2006 9:11:03 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: StJacques
ObraGORE sure is getting snippy about it, isn't he?
33 posted on 07/31/2006 9:11:08 AM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: StJacques

Please put me on the list as well.


34 posted on 07/31/2006 9:11:54 AM PDT by bordergal (John)
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To: StJacques

BURNS: Get me the Republican Rioters!

SMITHERS: Sir, the Republican Rioters are working in various Congressional offices, and are unavailable.

BURNS: Then get me their non-union Mexican equivalents!


35 posted on 07/31/2006 9:12:15 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up two (2) seats in the Senate and four (4) seats in the House in 2006)
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To: gridlock
Forgot the picture!


36 posted on 07/31/2006 9:13:15 AM PDT by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up two (2) seats in the Senate and four (4) seats in the House in 2006)
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To: StJacques

Gee, ya think a possible revolution in Mexico might be a good reason to put TROOPS ON THE BORDER?

Just asking/


37 posted on 07/31/2006 9:14:26 AM PDT by bordergal (John)
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To: StJacques

38 posted on 07/31/2006 9:15:09 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: StJacques
"...they should recognize my triumph as president of the republic"

WHOA! When did this happen? Now he is officially UberGore. Even Al Gore never seriously claimed to be president; he just begged us to keep counting until we got it right. What is Obragore basing his conclusion on?

39 posted on 07/31/2006 9:18:56 AM PDT by Graymatter (Don't like the PC, the lies, of the MSM? Don't watch TV.)
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To: freedumb2003

My wife insists on us spending two weeks down there the last two weeks of August. Down around Leon and such. I am having bad feelings about this.


40 posted on 07/31/2006 9:20:29 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (ˇSalga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: bordergal
"Gee, ya think a possible revolution in Mexico might be a good reason to put TROOPS ON THE BORDER?"

I am concerned that we will have Mexican troops on our side of the border enmass. It could make the Columbus NM raid look like a Sunday picnic.

41 posted on 07/31/2006 9:22:26 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: monkapotamus

LOL!!!


42 posted on 07/31/2006 9:29:16 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: RoadTest

"Mob Rule"

Then when the Mob wins, they kill or imprison all opponents, take their jobs and then as the country sinks further into the morass, taxes are raised, hard working people leave the country, the Leftists pillage the country and get rich and the mob is left to pick at the carcass.

And they will not have a clue what happened. Gotta love Marxism.


43 posted on 07/31/2006 9:33:33 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: bordergal
"Please put me on the list as well."

Got it.
44 posted on 07/31/2006 9:41:13 AM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: jneesy

If the people cannot see Obrador is just another little tin dicatator, they deserve what they get.


45 posted on 07/31/2006 9:44:58 AM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: StJacques

This is what will happen here in 2008 if Hillary loses a close election. There will be an attempted revolution


46 posted on 07/31/2006 9:59:55 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: conservative in nyc; CedarDave; Pikachu_Dad; BunnySlippers; machogirl; NinoFan; chilepepper; ...
Okay, things are starting to happen according to the El Universal web site, so I'm going to post a quick, "unedited" translation (I actually "edit" my own translations carefully by checking reference sources) of an article on the El Universal web site at:

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/365716.html

It is entitled "Presidency Trusts the GDF Will Remove Blockades"

Here is the quick translated text of the main article itself:

The Presidency of the Republic entrusted to the Federal District Government (GDF) that they will unblock the avenues where they find the encampments of the symptathizers of the presidencial candidate of For the Good of All Coalition [Lopez Obrador], located in the Paseo de la Reforma Avenue, from the Petroleum Fountain out to Juarez Avenue and about the vicinity of the Zocalo capital square. The GDF will know to group together the rights of protest with the rights of third parties, [presidential] spokesman Ruben Aguilar said.

"We are confident that the authorities of Mexico City, who are responsible for public security in the city, will make a worthy effort and repect the law which implies two things, according to the same logic of the Presidency: That the unrestricted right to protest is itself respected, at the same time that the rights of third parties are guaranteed, one of which, is the fundamental freedom of transit," Aguilar said in a morning press conference, as reproduced on [the radio news program] Formato 21

Aguilar said that only in the case that the GDF asks for it, can the Federal Preventive Police (PFP) be empowered to intervene to disactivate the blockage of the vicinity.


Before I mention more, let me say that the Federal District Government (GDF) is run by the PRD, so Vicente Fox is telling the PRD to police itself here. If the GDF refuses, it will be a major escalation. No word on a response from the GDF, but you can imagine the political calculations that are running through everyone's heads right now in Mexico City. The response is what we're looking for here.

The PRD is being accused by PAN and several major news media organizations in Mexico of "kidnapping" the Mexico City. They have responded that it is not a "kidnapping," but a "Mega Stand Up" (literal translation of "Megaplantón").

Okay, and as I just checked the site again (this is going very fast folks) I now see that the GDF will seek to open the Paseo de la Reforma avenue and -- forgive me I don't have time to translate it all -- that the protestor's rights will be secured. The article says that the communications media in Mexico City is calling on the GDF "to enforce the law" and to open the main thoroughfares (this might imply that they are accusing the GDF of collusion with the protest) and there's a big list of everyone who's anyone in the GDF present at a morning press conference on all this. The head of the GDF, Alejandro Encinas, makes the interesting statement that the Electoral Tribunal "must exercise its faculties fully 'and give to all Mexicans the result of the election'." That seems to imply that the result is not yet known, which I take to be a subtle endorsement of the reasons for the protest. I do see a little tension between the presidency and the GDF in all this.

That's all for now, I'll be back later everyone. Gotta get back to work.
47 posted on 07/31/2006 10:26:49 AM PDT by StJacques (Liberty is always unfinished business)
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To: StJacques

Thanks again, as always. Well done!


48 posted on 07/31/2006 10:35:39 AM PDT by CedarDave (Cindy bought land in Crawford but deceived her neighbors. The Texas welcome is warm but not friendly)
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To: StJacques

Communists hate democracy. They don't understand how the people could have not voted to have all their property confiscated and business destroyed....they can't fathom it.. 'that can't be possible.. they (the voters) must be insane or something.. "freedom", "property right?".. padded cell for you pal...-


49 posted on 07/31/2006 10:36:45 AM PDT by Bones75
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To: StJacques

Please add me to your Mexican post-election ping list. Looks like this is going to heat up very soon.


50 posted on 07/31/2006 10:39:23 AM PDT by Max in Utah (WWBFD? "What Would Ben Franklin Do?")
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