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MSNBC: Hezbollah Helped Qana, But 'No Evidence' It Was Launching Rockets
MSNBC-The Most/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 07/31/2006 1:17:47 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

by Mark Finkelstein

July 31, 2006 - 16:02

NBC reporter Richard Engel sure has some severely selective sources. On the one hand, he's overflowing with information reinforcing the image of Hezbollah as a kindly humanitarian organization that was providing "supplies and relief" to the residents of Qana. On the other hand, he has "no evidence" that Hezbollah was using Qana residents as human shields for purposes of launching rockets.

Engel reported live from Tyre in southern Lebanon during this afternoon's 'The Most' on MSNBC, with host Alison Stewart. Speaking of events in Qana, Engel claimed:

"I got no indication [the people of Qana] were being held against their will. Just the opposite, it seemed Hezbollah was helping these people, providing them with food and water. These were some of the [poorest] people in the town, those with money had already left. They were staying in this section of town because there was food and water. Hezbollah were giving them supplies and relief."

But when it came to allegations that Hezbollah had cynically exploited the situation, Engel-the-fount-of-knowledge suddenly dried up: "Whether they [Hezbollah] took advantage of that to launch a rocket, I don't know. We didn't see evidence of that."

No evidence, really? So Engel didn't see or at least hear of the video screened yesterday by the IDF showing rocket launches from Qana? Makes you wonder who Engel's sources are.

An odd aside: Stewart actually asked Engel whether in southern Lebanon he saw "any anti-American sentiment."

Responded Engel, palpably shocked by Stewart's naivete: "Clearly. Everyone we came up to was expressing that sentiment very clearly. They were saying that it is American weapons that are being dropped on these villages and they believe that the US and Israel [are working] hand in hand."

Hope so.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; alisonstewart; hezbollah; idf; israel; mediabias; msnbc; nbc; qana; richardengel; themost
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1 posted on 07/31/2006 1:17:48 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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2 posted on 07/31/2006 1:18:16 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (W)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"the image of Hezbollah as a kindly humanitarian organization that was providing "supplies and relief" to the residents of Qana."

Yeah, I was thinking that Hezbollah group that serves the same function in the Middle East as the Red Cross. All those rockets they are firing into Israel are filled with humanitarian supplies.
3 posted on 07/31/2006 1:22:05 PM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Oh,yes, hezbullsh**, the humanitarian organization, well known throughout the world for its many aid contributions to peace loving peoples. /SAR


4 posted on 07/31/2006 1:22:06 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
An odd aside: Stewart actually asked Engel whether in southern Lebanon he saw "any anti-American sentiment."

Responded Engel, palpably shocked by Stewart's naivete: "Clearly....

STEWART: OK Engel, then I'll ask you if you've seen any anti-American stuff, you know, like...
ENGEL: Yeah, yeah, I know the drill. Just give me the standard cue.
OFF CAMERA: Ready on the set! In 5...4...3...

5 posted on 07/31/2006 1:22:09 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

What do they mean no evidence? Don't they have access to a television monitor? That video seemed pretty impressive to me.


6 posted on 07/31/2006 1:22:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Al Qaeda / Taliban operatives: Read the NY Times, for daily up to the minute security threat tips.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
MSNBC ........ where is the barf alert?

;-)

7 posted on 07/31/2006 1:22:37 PM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when it is ignored.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

is PMSNBC really still on the air ?


8 posted on 07/31/2006 1:22:42 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

In other news, "Reporter" asks Iranian leader if his country is exporting weapons of terror. Absolutely not is the reply, that settles it. (/sarcasm)


9 posted on 07/31/2006 1:22:51 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Just more bull&^%$ liberal crap from the MSM. It is just beyond amazing how low these maggots will stoop to make anything this administration supports look bad. Lies, spin, crime, you name it. Nothing is TOO LOW for these maggots.


10 posted on 07/31/2006 1:24:09 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: randog

I actually got the sense Engel was shocked by Stewart's naive question.


11 posted on 07/31/2006 1:24:23 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (W)
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To: EagleUSA

That's an insult to maggots.


12 posted on 07/31/2006 1:25:08 PM PDT by wolf24 ("It's always easy to rally the stupid.")
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To: DoughtyOne

They don't watch Fox, the aircraft camera showed multiple rockets coming from that building and the pilot zeroing in on the rockets when he let the bomb go and showed it hit exzctly where the rockets were being launched form.


13 posted on 07/31/2006 1:27:23 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Welcome to the inverted world of brainy liberals. Up is down; left is right; Hezballah is right up there with Mother Theresa.


14 posted on 07/31/2006 1:28:03 PM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

No comment, I guess, on the compassionate manner in which the scumbags paraded the two dead children around for the cameras for 4-5 hours?


15 posted on 07/31/2006 1:29:55 PM PDT by wolf24 ("It's always easy to rally the stupid.")
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To: All

Here's link to IDF page with video of rocket launches from Qana:

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/


16 posted on 07/31/2006 1:32:06 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (W)
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To: wolf24

I think it's been pretty much proven that the Qana photos were totally staged. The MSM will have to address this sooner or later.


17 posted on 07/31/2006 1:32:14 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: wolf24

Natch.


18 posted on 07/31/2006 1:32:19 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (W)
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To: dalereed

I hadn't seen the video you mentioned. That's pretty impressive. This guy is obviously on station and not getting very good intel in. Then he tries to speak with authority and isn't informed enough to do that. Those who are talking to him should let him know that he's missing some key info.


19 posted on 07/31/2006 1:32:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Al Qaeda / Taliban operatives: Read the NY Times, for daily up to the minute security threat tips.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Rephrased...

Pushing for immediate defeat...


20 posted on 07/31/2006 1:34:27 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Al Qaeda / Taliban operatives: Read the NY Times, for daily up to the minute security threat tips.)
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To: txflake

"The MSM will have to address this sooner or later."

I hope so, but I wouldn't bet on it.


21 posted on 07/31/2006 1:34:38 PM PDT by wolf24 ("It's always easy to rally the stupid.")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Oh come on....guess video isn't proof enough....if that's true...we'll not believe one effin' thing on msnbc...


22 posted on 07/31/2006 1:35:34 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Yeah, not only has MSNBC been trying to portray Hezbollah as the Middle East version of the Salvation Army, but also CNN as well, with their bleeding-heart shows about all the good things that the terrorists are doing for their communities besides killing Jews.


23 posted on 07/31/2006 1:35:39 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Whether they [Hezbollah] took advantage of that to launch a rocket, I don't know. We didn't see evidence of that."

I have seen some of his reports and I get the feeling sometimes that the bad guys are standing locked and loaded just off camera.

24 posted on 07/31/2006 1:37:30 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I repeatedly hear of the kindness and compassion shown by Muslims to their own. These 60 women and children (and a couple of guys, I guess, but they seem to be popping up off of their stretchers) are said to be the poorest and most helpless of all, yet no one of their "compassionate" neighbors would give any of them a lift out of town, not even the little ones. This just does not pass the smell test.


25 posted on 07/31/2006 1:37:57 PM PDT by Bahbah (Yalla ya, Nasrallah, we'll send you off to Allah.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I can see it now.

The Qana civilians, after reading the warnings dropped by the IDF, asking, Should we go or should we stay?

The Hezb'Allah says, you must stay because we control all the water and food, and if you leave, you leave empty handed.

The Hezb'Allah says, don't be afraid, you will be safe.

Liars, liars, liars. The Hezb'Allah cannot protect the civilians. They, instead, use the civilians as shields, hoping that that the IDF will not bomb their civilian neighborhoods.

Surprise!

The Lebanese are either afraid or stupid. If they are afraid, they have learned a valuable lesson. And it is a lesson we all should take to heart. Don't allow a dangerous enemy to get a foot-hold in your country.

You will pay one way or another.


26 posted on 07/31/2006 1:38:11 PM PDT by i_dont_chat (I have the right to offend. You can take offense or not.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I got no indication [the people of Qana] were being held against their will.

Well, duh, nobody says they are. Why do you think it’s only women and children in the shelter?? Because the men are out fighting. These are the Hezbollah terrorist’s families.

27 posted on 07/31/2006 1:39:44 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I've had many contacts with local media types in my hometown (Columbus Ohio). They are all empty heads, and all they can do is repeat the standard two-dimensional truism that is delivered from the national news desk or from AP/ Reuters/ CNN. On every issue, all then can do (because they simply do not have the mental candle-power to do any better) is follow the reigning paradigm. I have had much less contact with media at the national level, but I suspect that the same is true there also. My point is that they are not so much wicked as weak; they simply cannot imagine anything like what Qana really was, namely, an instance of a hideous, evil war crime and staged media event.


28 posted on 07/31/2006 1:41:11 PM PDT by Remole
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I heard the same kind of thing on National Partisan Radio yesterday.

The journalist was asked if he had seen any Hezballah in the area and he said "no - only civilians".

A few minutes later he was saying that you couldn't tell who the Hezballah members were because they didn't wear uniforms.

So.....just how did he know he hadn't seen any Hezballah members???

I guess you must be a liberal to know the answer to that question.

29 posted on 07/31/2006 1:41:45 PM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Whether they [Hezbollah] took advantage of that to launch a rocket, I don't know. We didn't see evidence of that."

So if Engel doesn't actually SEE a rocket about to be launched, then to him there is "no evidence".

30 posted on 07/31/2006 1:41:46 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Bahbah

There WERE no living people trapped there on account of a lack of any means of departure. The bodies pulled out from the rubble where placed there earlier in the day, corpses transported from a morgue to a new TV sound stage, so to speak.


31 posted on 07/31/2006 1:43:50 PM PDT by Remole
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To: montag813

Another thing: is Engel there at the behest of the Hezzies? Is he given access to places and people through the Hezzies, and thus he speaks only statements that he thinks will not p*ss off his hosts?


32 posted on 07/31/2006 1:45:22 PM PDT by Remole
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I want to know where the Lebanese Army is. I want to know why they aren't getting these people evacuated. Everyone was ready to criticize the U.S. government for not evacuating people from New Orleans prior to Katrina, so I want to know why the Lebanese government hasn't seen fit to make sure these civilians are removed from an area they know is going to be bombed by the Israelis. The Lebanese government has let their people down. By not protecting them, they have worked hand in hand with the Hezzies.


33 posted on 07/31/2006 1:47:01 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: Tokra
The journalist was asked if he had seen any Hezballah in the area and he said "no - only civilians".

No, nobody here but us civilians. We always take rocket launchers with us to the market place.


34 posted on 07/31/2006 1:47:25 PM PDT by A message (We who care, Can Not Fail)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Now that Dan Rather is free, we ought to send him over to get to the bottom of this.


35 posted on 07/31/2006 1:53:59 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: mass55th
I want to know why they aren't getting these people evacuated.

They couldn't get bus drivers?

36 posted on 07/31/2006 1:54:49 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

As always, thanks for all your efforts, GLGB.


37 posted on 07/31/2006 1:56:00 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Raycpa
"They couldn't get bus drivers?"

LOL! Good one.

38 posted on 07/31/2006 1:59:15 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
What kind of moron would broadcast that Hezbollah had a civilian presence, but lacked a military presence, in a village so close to the Israeli border when that same organization is bragging about its military successes in the vicinity? Does the idiot really think that if Israeli ground forces attempted to pass through the village that they would do so unopposed?
39 posted on 07/31/2006 1:59:23 PM PDT by Poodlebrain
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Brother I don't know how you can sit and watch the media.... you;re a saint....god love you.

I hate the media.

40 posted on 07/31/2006 2:08:16 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Remole
There WERE no living people trapped there on account of a lack of any means of departure.

If I didn't make it clear, that is what I think as well.

41 posted on 07/31/2006 2:09:31 PM PDT by Bahbah (Yalla ya, Nasrallah, we'll send you off to Allah.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Fred, how can we get the staged photo'journalism' at Qana to the big guys? This point needs tipping. Today.


42 posted on 07/31/2006 2:17:17 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Yesterday, I turned on CNN just to see how they were covering this story.

During their story, they interviewed two different adult males of fighting age who stated to the effect "We told them to leave, but they were poor and could not". They were not identified as Hezbollah, but it was odd that both guys used the term "they" to refer to the civilians.

What the reporter did not say, was "Well, if you are Hezbollah (likely) and knew they could not leave, why did you choose to fire rockets from alongside their shelter?????"


43 posted on 07/31/2006 2:24:14 PM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I cynically believe Hez/Hizbollah WAS providing food and water for those poor folk. What better way to have fodder for Al-Jazeera, than to bring them all into the target zone? I'll bet it has happened more than once, and will happen again.

The roads to Qada were open, yet they didn't flee for 8 hours after the strike because they were "terrified?"

I'd roll my eyes, but it would hurt too much.


44 posted on 07/31/2006 2:40:30 PM PDT by MarcusAurelious (Guns don't kill people. Delta Force kills people.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Images of Iran & Syria's Hizballah Islamo-nazi terrorists - the liberal media does not air.

So many 'innocent' civilians.

45 posted on 07/31/2006 2:47:01 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"I got no indication [the people of Qana] were being held against their will. Just the opposite, it seemed Hezbollah was helping these people, providing them with food and water. These were some of the [poorest] people in the town, those with money had already left. They were staying in this section of town because there was food and water. Hezbollah were giving them supplies and relief."

Robin Hezbollah and his Merry Men in the Lebanese Greenwood - versus the Evil Sheriff of Jewingham.

46 posted on 07/31/2006 2:47:24 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Bush Runner! The Donkey is after you! Bush Runner! When he catches you, you're through!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

it seemed Hezbollah was helping these people, providing them with food and water. These were some of the [poorest] people in the town, those with money had already left. They were staying in this section of town because there was food and water.

They were the poorest in town, they were staying because of the food and water Hezb'ullah was giving them...

Connect the dots.


47 posted on 07/31/2006 2:51:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

I'm also surprised that there were NO SURVIVORS, not one?


48 posted on 07/31/2006 2:53:42 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
So much for impartiality.... they even ignore videotapes to report there was no evidence of rockets being launched from Qana....

but there was a WHOLE bunch of Hez-Ebola there being all nice and peaceful like

49 posted on 07/31/2006 2:55:52 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
So much for impartiality.... they even ignore videotapes to report there was no evidence of rockets being launched from Qana....

but there was a WHOLE bunch of Hez-Ebola there being all nice and peaceful like

50 posted on 07/31/2006 2:55:53 PM PDT by GeronL
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