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Banner of Condi and Cana unfurled HOURS after bombing...hmmm
Yahoo News Photo ^ | July 30, 2006 | Yahoo News Photo

Posted on 07/31/2006 7:24:03 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds

In Arabic it says: ""The massacre of children in Qana 2, is the gift of Rice. The clever bombs..Stupid,"

Banner appeard in downtown Beirut. Fifty-two people were killed, many of them sleeping children, when Israeli warplanes blitzed the Lebanese village of Qana, triggering global outrage and warnings of retribution for a "war crime" as a ceasefire appeared more remote than ever.(AFP/Ramzi Haidar)

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Anyone else find it interesting that a 30 foot COLOR banner was ready to be hung just hours after this massacre? I'm no printing expert, but I do have some extensive marketing experience and when we have banners like this made they take a long time to dry and be used. Not only that, but the sheer size of it usually means not going down to your local Kinkos...which I'm sure Beirut has one on every street corner (heavy sarcasm).
1 posted on 07/31/2006 7:24:05 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

Michael Moore probably helped.


2 posted on 07/31/2006 7:25:22 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Join FR Team 36120 at http://folding.stanford.edu {Protein Folding Project})
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
Not only that, but the sheer size of it usually means not going down to your local Kinkos...which I'm sure Beirut has one on every street corner (heavy sarcasm).

Maybe it came from a certain Kinkos in Texas.

3 posted on 07/31/2006 7:25:41 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Another fake but accurate MSM story.


4 posted on 07/31/2006 7:26:52 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (There are only a few absolute truths in life, everything else is just an opinion.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

you're not alone...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1675362/posts


5 posted on 07/31/2006 7:27:12 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

Apparently they think we're all stupid to think this wasn't a setup.


6 posted on 07/31/2006 7:27:39 PM PDT by swheats (BE STRONG. STAY VIGILANT! Our Victory depends on you.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
how long before a un resolution with penalties condemning Israel?

this could get very interesting.

7 posted on 07/31/2006 7:27:45 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (dust off the big guns.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

Let's see. Rockets are emerging from a building in Beruit and being lobbed into Israeli civilian populations. Israel hits those buildings. Hezbollah has civilians in those buildings. Whose fault is it that the civilians are killed? Ferris, anyone, anyone?


8 posted on 07/31/2006 7:28:19 PM PDT by groanup (sunshine or thunder)
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To: God luvs America

thanks


9 posted on 07/31/2006 7:28:20 PM PDT by swheats (BE STRONG. STAY VIGILANT! Our Victory depends on you.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
 

This printer will knock  out a 14' x 20' color banner in 15 minutes, and there are both faster and wider ones on the market.  Basically any size you want at 1000 Square Feet per hour.  You may have to bring a couple of barrels full of $100 bills to purchase ink.

That said, you'd think it would take a couple of hours for someone to make a decision to even make this banner. It's not cheap to make.

 

HP Designjet 4500 Printer series - Large Format Printers
Starting at: $ 10,995.00*
 
HP Designjet 4500 Printer series
Model Size: 42 in
Print Speed Max: 1000 ft2/hr
Print Length Max: 575 ft
Resolution: Up to 2400 x 1200 optimized dpi from 1200 x 1200 dpi input on glossy media
* Professional installation is recommended

 

 

 

 

 

10 posted on 07/31/2006 7:29:03 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
Rags are like Democrats. Anything that happens to them is never their fault.
11 posted on 07/31/2006 7:31:06 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (12th district Freeper.)
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To: God luvs America

Gods..thanks...I didn't see it and I did search.


12 posted on 07/31/2006 7:31:54 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: HawaiianGecko

Yes but isn't this banner 30', not 20' like the 4500 Printer series does?


13 posted on 07/31/2006 7:33:08 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: HawaiianGecko
I've used some large HP printers to print maps. It took a couple of hours to print a 3' x 6' printout. About half of that time was the computer spooling the job.

Maps have a heck of lot more detail, but that should mostly affect the spooling time, not the printing time.

14 posted on 07/31/2006 7:33:27 PM PDT by magellan ( by)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

These people have very few skills. But one of them is apparently being able to produce enemy flags to burn and large non-coherent banners in no time flat.


15 posted on 07/31/2006 7:33:32 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/014843.php


16 posted on 07/31/2006 7:33:35 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

This all started at the following blog...

http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2006/08/wondering-more-about-qana-and-30-foot.html


17 posted on 07/31/2006 7:35:02 PM PDT by GeoPie
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
Yes but isn't this banner 30', not 20' like the 4500 Printer series does?

Correct. And it would have to be printed on a very sturdy material or it would tear or shred while be handled like this. Like the kind of material stretched across roadside billboards. This is being dissected rather thoroughly on the related thread referenced above.

18 posted on 07/31/2006 7:37:15 PM PDT by randita
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

I'd really liked a detailed timeline on this whole incident. It sure does raise some eyebrows, doesn't it? Especially since we know the extent that these barbarians will go to.


19 posted on 07/31/2006 7:38:13 PM PDT by reaganandme (You don't beat a liberal by becoming one.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

I'd really liked a detailed timeline on this whole incident. It sure does raise some eyebrows, doesn't it? Especially since we know the extent that these barbarians will go to.


20 posted on 07/31/2006 7:38:13 PM PDT by reaganandme (You don't beat a liberal by becoming one.)
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To: HawaiianGecko
It's good to know that all that foreign aid is being put to good use.

How many Israeli and American flags on flammable stock can that printer crank out?

-PJ

21 posted on 07/31/2006 7:39:09 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

"Baby Milk Factory"


22 posted on 07/31/2006 7:40:50 PM PDT by weegee (Call Ted Kennedy's office and tell them you would've called 10 hours ago but couldn't get to a phone)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

These same banners were used at the UN rallies ... the destruction of the UN offices just after Qana.


23 posted on 07/31/2006 7:41:37 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (NUTS!)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
Yes but isn't this banner 30', not 20' like the 4500 Printer series does?

OK, It will make a 22' wide by 50' long poster in one hour and six minutes.  It prints at 1000 SqFt/Hour.  A picture at this size only needs to be about 150dpi to look like a glossy print.


24 posted on 07/31/2006 7:42:42 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: HawaiianGecko

Gecko, you may be right but there are plenty of commercial printers that on FR that are saying something different.

I don't know the answer, I just find the timing more than interesting.


25 posted on 07/31/2006 7:44:33 PM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
The banner could have been prepared anytime since she first announced her trip about 10 days ago.

The text could have been added later by hand on fairly short notice.

So the poster could have taken a couple of days to put together, then they added the words at a later time by hand in just a couple of hours.

Back to Baker Street, Sherlock.
26 posted on 07/31/2006 7:45:29 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HawaiianGecko
It prints at 1000 SqFt/Hour.

It's not just the printing time.

It's also the preparation time -- developing the graphic concept, pulling together the elements, composing the image and generating the printing materials.

Then, waiting for the damn thing to dry...

There is simply no way this poster was created from scratch after the affair occurred and still appeared on the streets of Beirut the same day.

27 posted on 07/31/2006 7:52:07 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
This is old ground, I am afraid. The reality is, this thing was sitting there, ready to unfurl, the night before. Qana was a "10 year anniversary show" to commemorate the Qana raid of 1996, in which 104 women, children, etc. were killed by an Israeli air strike.

The only remaining question is whether the bodies displayed were scrounged from a Tyre morgue, or were freshly killed by the Hezbastards just for this performance. The star of the show "Mr Green Helmet" seems to be reprising his role of 1996, when he similarly carried dead children up and down for the cameras.

Michael Medved should review this atrocity, and compare it with Michael Moore's documentaries, which are no more truthful or sincere.

28 posted on 07/31/2006 7:54:50 PM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

I was going to reply but the numerous post all say the same thing. Any commerical printer/sign maker can produce this "banner" in an hour.

I had to have a real "banner" to place across a street.
Called the local sign guy. He said: "Give me 90 minutes."


29 posted on 07/31/2006 7:58:15 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: okie01
There is simply no way this poster was created from scratch after the affair occurred and still appeared on the streets of Beirut the same day.

As I have said many times on FR today, unfortunately on coco puff conservative deaf ears, there is a way the poster could have been done so quickly.

Dr Rice has been announced to be in the region for about 10 days. That's plenty of time to create the large banner.

The text could have been added onto the poster at a later time, and prepared in just a couple of hours.

So you have a window of about a week to 10 days to create the banner, and a few hours to add the text.

So much for the 'there is no way' crowd that insists on thinking in 1 dimension. Sheesh.

30 posted on 07/31/2006 7:58:46 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HawaiianGecko

I think that only handles paper... and from the looks of the banner, it's not paper... ?


31 posted on 07/31/2006 8:00:29 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: magellan
I've used some large HP printers to print maps. It took a couple of hours to print a 3' x 6' printout. About half of that time was the computer spooling the job.

What are you printing raster graphics or vector graphics? I would imagine vector in the map world simply for easy of scaling up with no loss of quality. Lots of things come into play. But if you put an IBM System i5 model 595 with 2 terabytes of memory on it, it'll spool this job in about 20 seconds.

Of course I'm not sure that IBM sells to Hezbollah. :-)


32 posted on 07/31/2006 8:05:51 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

Also see evidence of staged photos with the same man presenting the victims to camera multiple times, and also believe it or not, pictured in 1996 in Cana, doing exactly the same thing.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1675486/posts


33 posted on 07/31/2006 8:18:40 PM PDT by plenipotentiary
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To: plenipotentiary

the original photographs of the victims of this 'massacre' that i saw, i felt something wasn't right

many of them were covered in dust and yet i thought makeup etc was clearly visible on some of the 'corpses'

anyone else think something looks wrong with the so-called victims of this so-called israeli massacre, or is my tinfoil wrapped too tight ?


34 posted on 07/31/2006 8:22:47 PM PDT by malamute
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To: oolatec
I think that only handles paper... and from the looks of the banner, it's not paper... ?

You can run plastic through even the cheapest DeskJet printer. I run transparencies all the time myself and 28-30 weight card stock paper.

Bowater's 50 weight, 85 brightness, 92% opacity is much nicer than the poster with Sec. Rice on it.  It's their Hi-Bright, non coated, mechanical paper and is widely used in printing. Odds are that the banner is actually an acetate type of plastic, but either way these printers don't know whether they are printing on plastic, bond paper or slick paper. They are spraying ink on a surface, much like a gang-banger spraying paint on brick, cinderblock, cement, wood, windows etc.


35 posted on 07/31/2006 8:24:52 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds
This fits nicely with my "Danish Flag" theory that the Muslims orchestrate these displays solely for the benefit of the cameras.

Did the terrorists really kill those kids in Qana for a publicity stunt that won them a 2 day cease fire? Look at those pictures closely. I would put nothing past those scum.
36 posted on 07/31/2006 8:26:07 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

The banner looks a real professional job. The artwork, the text, the colour quality, the material, the size, all point to this taking more than a couple of hours.

When you've put this much ink on this kind of material how long does it take to dry?


37 posted on 07/31/2006 9:08:44 PM PDT by plenipotentiary
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To: plenipotentiary

PS It doesn't look like strips have been sewn together, it looks from the way it hangs that it was made all in one piece.

Plus this is four colour printing:

"Has your printer ever called you to say your job will be a day late because it is taking longer than expected for the ink to dry? What should you know about ink drying time to help you plan your printing schedule?

First of all, understand that your printer is making a reasonable request. It is prudent to let ink dry before folding a job to avoid streaking or "offsetting," in which wet ink smears or transfers from one sheet to an adjacent sheet. Some inks dry faster than others, as do some substrates such as synthetic and plastic papers.

Heavy ink coverage (solids and bleeds) on uncoated paper or matte stock take longer to dry, particularly if the ink mixture includes any reflex blue. A print job also dries more slowly on a humid day."

http://www.printindustry.com/newsletter_37.htm



38 posted on 07/31/2006 9:20:56 PM PDT by plenipotentiary
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To: swheats
Are you saying Kofi Anus is stupid? Wow, I would have never thought that.
39 posted on 07/31/2006 11:20:39 PM PDT by Tannerone
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To: HitmanLV
So much for the 'there is no way' crowd that insists on thinking in 1 dimension. Sheesh

The process you describe is indeed possible.

However, if you are correct, consider the implications.

Which are that, once Rice's trip was announced, the Hezbos began preparing for an atrocity -- location to be determined.

Personally, I find this scenario no less despicable than any other.

40 posted on 08/01/2006 10:30:35 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
No, they prepared a poster criticizing Dr. Rice, which there is no doubt they would have found some occasion to use since there is no way they would have perceived Dr Rice as on their side.

This banner isn't suspicious at all. If I see something suspicious, I'll be first to agree.

The truth is, a guy like me 1,000s of miles away knew they would find some fault with Dr. Rice sometime in her efforts. Seems silly to believe that they didn't know they would find some fault with Dr. Rice, too.
41 posted on 08/01/2006 10:43:24 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV
O.K., try this: why print it without text in the first place?

Understand that there is absolutely no difference in time or cost if the banner were printed with, or without, text.

42 posted on 08/01/2006 10:51:14 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01
Print it without text because you haven't decided the text, yet.

Maybe it was going to say 'Dr Rice, leave before August 12th!'

If she leaves before August 12, before you even debut the poster, it's a waste.

Add the text later to jive with circumstances. It's not unusual to give yourself the flexibility for the poster to then say 'august 6th,' or 'August 18th,' or whatever.

It just happens that the circumstances in this case was a stunning PR loss for the IDF. Of course, that has nothing to do with Dr. Rice in any event, so her picture there is misplaced anyway.

These guys don't think straight, but that doesn't mean they are stupid.
43 posted on 08/01/2006 10:55:27 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

I'm with you on that. OTOH, whenever a terrorist is killed, his family marches in the funeral, carrying poster-size framed prints of the deceased. It's uncanny. You'd think that with all that printing technology they'd be world leaders in photography and publishing ;-)


44 posted on 08/01/2006 11:02:08 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: HitmanLV
You really want the poster to be an ad hoc production, don't you?

And I will grant you that what you suggest is possible. It's just that, from being involved in the production of many such materials, I judge it unlikely.

Neither of us can conclusively prove the correctness of our assertion. However, in the context of all the other signs of fabrication, I'm inclined to include the poster as being among them.

45 posted on 08/01/2006 11:04:19 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

All I really want to do is think straight, clearly, and fairly.

Some folks around here insist that somehow the poster's creation was 'impossible.' That's clearly not true. That's the only horse i have in this race,

I can't prove that what I suggest is true, but I don't have to. I raise it only to show that there is nothing inexorably impossible about the creation of this poster in 24-36 hours.

You can italicize all you want, but what I wrote is still true.


46 posted on 08/01/2006 11:07:48 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HawaiianGecko

Epson Stylus Pro 9800
Estimated Price: $5,995.00*

Overview
* 44" Wide Desktop Printer
* Maximum resolution 2880 x 1440 dpi
* 3.5 picoliter droplet size
* 8-color Epson UltraChrome™ Ink
with 8-channel print head technology
* Epson internal 10/100 BaseT Ethernet
* Custom-designed PostScript Language Level 3 Compatible RIP by ColorBurst

47 posted on 08/01/2006 11:09:11 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: HitmanLV
You can italicize all you want, but what I wrote is still true.

And what I wrote is equally true.

There is simply no way this poster was created from scratch after the affair occurred and still appeared on the streets of Beirut the same day.

48 posted on 08/01/2006 11:19:16 AM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: okie01

Sure, it's just that you are unable to cope with the relatively straightforward fact that the poster need not have been completely made from scratch in a day.


49 posted on 08/01/2006 11:21:04 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: HitmanLV
Look, I granted that your scenario was possible. I never said it wasn't.

Instead, I submitted that, based on my experience and judgment, another scenario was more likely.

Unless you can present a stronger argument, I'll go with my judgment. You're free to go with yours.

We've beat tbis thing to death. If you insist on having the last word, go ahead and post...

50 posted on 08/01/2006 1:21:20 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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