If anyone can't see why he is running with his tail between his legs is still living in the dark ages!
The Liar Leaves the White House!
Posted on 08/01/2006 4:15:27 AM PDT by SheLion
WASHINGTON -- Quietly leaving his post as surgeon general, Dr. Richard Carmona said he would judge himself successful if he had persuaded one student to make good health choices or one mother to stop smoking.
Carmona's report condemning secondhand smoke was a hallmark of his tenure as the nation's 17th surgeon general.
If anyone can't see why he is running with his tail between his legs is still living in the dark ages!
The Liar Leaves the White House!
Not at all. But if you have been following him and his lies about second hand smoke, then you would understand why we are so happy to see him leaving.
If he was a firm believer in what he said about shs, he would stand tall. But I guess he couldn't take the heat of his lies and is leaving.
And that is just what he is! A big liar!
None of us advocates smoking as a healthy choice in life, but there are a lot worse things adults can do with themselves. Cigarettes are a legal commodity. And no one can ever produce a death certificate that second hand smoke ever killed ANYONE!
Uh oh. INCOMING!!!!!!
Koop resigned soon after that and even went bankrupt. I see he is making money now with his life alert on a TV ad. But we smokers will never forget the lies he and David Keesler were spewing back in his day about cigarettes. And since he couldn't produce the truth, he too, left with his tail between his legs.
Carmona's term expired over the weekend with no announcement from the Health and Human Services Department. The department did send out an internal memo from Assistant Health Secretary John Agwunobi saying he regretted Carmona's term was up, and on Monday a letter Carmona wrote to his fellow officers of the U.S. Public Health Service began to circulate on Capitol Hill.
The Illinois Clean Air Act, banning smoking in public and government buildings and on public transportation has been in effect for over 15 years. This is not an issue about smoking in public buildings....it is about removing the rights of private businesses...restaurants and bars and smoking outdoors. Most people don't even understand what these intrusive bans are about and it is being implied that everyone smokes everywhere. That hasn't been the case for a long, long time.
Oak Ridge Labs, TN & SECOND HAND SMOKE
Statistics and Data Sciences Group Projects
I think any anti who tries to dismiss the findings of the U.S. Department of Energy labs at Oak Ridge, should be confronted with the question: "Are you saying that DOE researchers committed scientific fraud and that their findings on ETS exposure are untrue?" But where does this Taliban-like anti-smoking campaign come from? It can't really be this stuff about second-hand smoke. The famous 1992 Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) study showing a causal relationship between second-hand smoke and cancer was so roundly debunked as junk science (even by other federal agencies) it was finally declared "null and void" by a federal judge. Sure, second-hand smoke can be annoying, and it can't be healthy, but if you relegate smokers to their own enclosed space _ say a bar or a separate part of a restaurant where people, including staff, only go of their own free will _ who can object?
Carmona's term expired over the weekend with no announcement from the Health and Human Services Department. The department did send out an internal memo from Assistant Health Secretary John Agwunobi saying he regretted Carmona's term was up, and on Monday a letter Carmona wrote to his fellow officers of the U.S. Public Health Service began to circulate on Capitol Hill.
More smoke and mirrors.
The problem with Washington and smoking is all the revenue generated by smoking.
So instead of banning cigarettes like they have with other substances, they complain about it...get their Surgeons General to comdemn the activity, but they will never never ban it.
I am not saying they should ban it, but either sh*t or get off the pot. It is a legal substance, period, case closed.
Has smoking ever been put on a death certificate as the cause of death?
The Surgeon General showed up very regal looking to provide a press release rehashing the tired old argument that secondhand smoke is deadly and must be banned. And with his next statement:
Separate "no smoking" sections DO NOT protect you from secondhand smoke. Neither does filtering the air or opening a window.
It seemed a feeble attempt to pre-empt any action short of a total smoking ban.....as if to confirm that pro-smoking ban activists' credibility in the public is failing miserably.
Well I am sorry to report that the American Cancer Society conducted air quality testing at several smoking venues which prove the Surgeon General flat out wrong.
Never! We have been trying like crazy for someone to produce a death certificate stating that smoking was the cause of death. Or even second hand smoke. But to no avail.
When the Federal Coroner signs a death certificate, he can not, under his oath, sign this document that smoking and shs was the cause of death, because to this day, there is no proof.
Sure, smoking might have contributed to a person's death, but there are many other factors involved. Was the person obese? An alcoholic? Was he a couch potato? Was he predestined to having cancer because of generics? A lot comes into play and one cannot just blame the death on smoking.
Guaranteed, it might have been a contributing factor, but smoking can not be the sole blame for a person's death.
Smokers far outlive an obese person. Smoking isn't good but neither is being obese.
But smoking is legal and over eating is legal. Each person has to be responsible for themselves. But smokers and the obese are not criminals!
It is a four year term: 2002 +4 ='s 2006
Senate Confirms Carmona as Surgeon General
NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, July 24, 2002
WASHINGTON – By a vote of 98-0, the full Senate Tuesday confirmed Richard H. Carmona as U.S. surgeon general.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/23/144124.shtml
RESEARCHERS BLAST CALIFORNIA EPA REPORT: SECONDHAND SMOKE FINDINGS BIASED, FLAWED
01/30/2006-The American Cancer Society stated unequivocally, in a written comment, that it did not agree with Cal-EPA's conclusion that secondhand smoke was a cause of breast cancer, and that published evidence did not support the requisite criteria for causation.
The World Health Organization actually did a study on secondhand smoke which showed that it doesn't even make people sick, much less kill them. Now, it makes people uncomfortable. They don't like it. I don't like secondhand cigarette smoke myself -- it reeks -- but it doesn't kill. It doesn't.
Audrey Silk
FOUNDER
NYC CITIZENS LOBBYING
AGAINST SMOKER HARASSMENT
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Amen! 
Read my post #16
Scaremongering and masturbation.
The one thing that galls me about the Surgeon General post is they allow these idiots to wear an Admirals uniform. These people have never been in the navy, yet they not only get to wear that uniform but they have all those ribbons. What the hell are those ribbons for if they never served!?
I just received the above in email. Truer words were never spoken! Thanks Dan!
In 1998 the link made by the EPA Report in 1993 between secondary smoke and cancer was thrown out in a federal court because the statistics were bent to support a predetermined conclusion and normal scientific guidelines were ignored.
In 1998 the link made by the EPA Report in 1993 between secondary smoke and cancer was thrown out in a federal court because the statistics were bent to support a predetermined conclusion and normal scientific guidelines were ignored.
Thanks for proving my point. Direct smoke and second hand smoke, according to you, have never been listed as a cause of death. Yet, even you agree that it is not healthy: "None of us advocates smoking as a healthy choice in life..."
Also, note that since it has not been listed as a cause of death it has never been ruled out either.
Smoking is a horrible thing to do to your body and if you are exposing children and others to it you are harming your fellow beings. Like it or not.
And most of these idiots aren't even DOCTOR'S!!!!!
Like I said: most of them aren't even DOCTOR'S!!!!!
I hate smoking. I wish the government would stop protecting the tobacco industry and let the lawyers pick the corpse clean. But I can't stand lies.
And this nonsense on second hand smoke is nothing but a pack of lies. And stupid, obvious lies at that.
There is more than enough real data on smoking, there is no need to make more up.
Listen, I certainly do not have to explain anything to you, but most of us in here grew up in smoking households.
And many of us married and have children, who also grew up into smoking households. Most of our kids are strong, young adults today with babes of their own.
If you want to buy into the anti crap about second hand smoke hurting and killing everyone, that's your prerogative. But it's all lies, like it or not.
You just want to believe this crap because you hate smokers, you hate smoking and like some of your ilk YOU CAN'T STAND THE SMELL.
Well, "I" can't stand the smell of an unwashed body and a dirty mouth either. Personal hygiene has a lot do do with smells, and a good bar of soap and water and toothpaste and shampoo go along way.
I have hung with smokers since I was born. I started smoking at age 16, (peer pressure), and I hung with smokers for many years. It hasn't hurt ME or any of my family or friends. Don't even try to explain it to me, because you and I will never agree when it comes to the smoking issue.
"Smoking is a horrible thing to do to your body?" heh! What about alcoholism? Meth and drug use? Over eating? The list goes on and on and on. But all you can concentrate on is smoking. Pity.
I hope it wasn't something I said.....
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2006/07/i-hope-it-wasnt-something-i-said.html
Vice Admiral Richard H. Carmona was sworn in as the 17th Surgeon General of the United States Public Health Service on August 5, 2002.
Born and raised in New York City, Dr. Carmona dropped out of high school and enlisted in the U.S. Army in 1967. While enlisted he received his Army General Equivalency Diploma, joined the Army's Special Forces, ultimately becoming a combat-decorated Vietnam veteran, and began his career in medicine.
Dr. Carmona has worked in various positions in the medical field including paramedic, registered nurse and physician. Dr. Carmona completed a surgical residency at the University of California, San Francisco, and a National Institutes of Health-sponsored fellowship in trauma, burns and critical care. Dr. Carmona is a Fellow of the American College of Surgeons, and is also certified in correctional health care and in quality assurance.
And many of us married and have children, who also grew up into smoking households. Most of our kids are strong, young adults today with babes of their own.
I grew up in a smoking household. My parents still smoke. So what? I still think smoking is a horrible thing.
If you want to buy into the anti crap about second hand smoke hurting and killing everyone, that's your prerogative. But it's all lies, like it or not.
You can't prove that. Don't post your one or two links. Not enough research has been done by objective sources.
I have hung with smokers since I was born. I started smoking at age 16, (peer pressure), and I hung with smokers for many years. It hasn't hurt ME or any of my family or friends. Don't even try to explain it to me, because you and I will never agree when it comes to the smoking issue.
Sure it's harmed you. Look at your posts. Your anger is overwhelming towards people like me. It's alienated you to posting to your choir.
"Smoking is a horrible thing to do to your body?" heh! What about alcoholism? Meth and drug use? Over eating? The list goes on and on and on. But all you can concentrate on is smoking. Pity.
God, how wrong can one person be. I have spent years helping alcoholics. Do you know my thoughts, deeds and words?
Your inability to see past the glowing end of your cigarette has turned you into a most unpleasant poster.
Good day.
What a nutcase! The thread is about smoking, so why should someone be forced to list other harmful activities. Do you understand that lung cancer risk is an order of magnitude higher for smokers than non-smokers?
And, yes, I hate the smell. And you have certainly been harmed by smoking, as have your family members. Pity, indeed.
Your self-concious, hyperbolic responses might indicate that you are aware of the truth at some level, but resistant to it. Happy puffing.
Are you going to condemn the findings of the American Cancer Society?
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2004/04/american-cancer-society-test-results.html
It's their air quality test results after all.
Heroin, crack cocaine, and russian roullette. Otherwise, no, there aren't. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Huh???? This backs me up.
After leaving active duty, Dr. Carmona attended Bronx Community College, of the City University of New York, where he earned his associate of arts degree. He later attended and graduated from the University of California, San Francisco, with a bachelor of science degree (1977) and medical degree (1979). At the University of California Medical School, Dr. Carmona was awarded the prestigious gold headed cane as the top graduate. He has also earned a masters of public health from the University of Arizona (1998).
Dr. Carmona has worked in various positions in the medical field including paramedic, registered nurse and physician. Dr. Carmona completed a surgical residency at the University of California, San Francisco, and a National Institutes of Health-sponsored fellowship in trauma, burns and critical care. Dr. Carmona is a Fellow of the American College of Surgeons, and is also certified in correctional health care and in quality assurance.
Prior to being named Surgeon General, Dr. Carmona was the chairman of the State of Arizona Southern Regional Emergency Medical System, a professor of surgery, public health and family and community medicine at the University of Arizona, and the Pima County Sheriff's Department surgeon and deputy sheriff.
Dr. Carmona has also held progressive positions of responsibility as chief medical officer, hospital chief executive officer, public health officer, and finally chief executive officer of the Pima county health care system. He has also served as a medical director of police and fire departments and is a fully-qualified peace officer with expertise in special operations and emergency preparedness, including weapons of mass destruction.
Dr. Carmona has published extensively and received numerous awards, decorations, and local and national recognition for his achievements. A strong supporter of community service, he has served on community and national boards and provided leadership to many diverse organizations.
First off, his bio never states he became an officer. Enlisted SpecOps. Second, he left active duty in the early 70's. I guess I should have been more specific. He never served in the Navy! Why do they wear the Admirals uniform? His few years in the Army did not give him all those ribbons. Where do they come from and why is he allowed to wear them?
And once again, Ray, your agenda is showing.
Lung cancer is just the tip of the iceberg. Smoking dramatically increases risks for a great many kinds of cancer, including breast, prostate and colon, dramatically increases the risks of heart disease, dramatically increases the risks of diabetes and stroke, etc. These aren't tenuous or hypothetical links, these are huge, clinically proven, scientifically inarguable risk factors that dwarf just about everything else that you can do to yourself to get you sick.
Posters created by the Surgeon General that is the subject of this thread are not relevant?
No, it doesn't back you up at all. It proves the hype about secondhand smoke is just that......exaggerated hype, financed by pharmaceutical nicotine interests.
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2006/01/will-there-be-investigation-into-this.html
Did you read this post ray the ACS test results PROVE secondhand smoke is 25,000 times SAFER than OSHA regulations for secondhand smoke.
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com/2004/04/american-cancer-society-test-results.html
SAFER.....so where's the health hazard?
Do you know how to read a chart?
Great Blog there! And you are just saying what the rest of us are saying! If the truth hurts the anti's, so be it. I'm tired of them trying to pull the wool over the general non-smoking public. We have enough to worry about in this day and age without having to defend wisps of smoke. heh!
Thanks for your link. I really enjoyed seeing it!
And what is the PEL for Nicotine Particulates?
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