Posted on 08/02/2006 8:41:11 AM PDT by tang0r
I think cutting subsidies is a great idea. Sorry to hear that you agree with massive and wasteful government spending and interference
and let our trading partners do whatever they want to do to our food.
Maybe you have a link to the part of the agreement that says "let our trading partners do whatever they want to do to our food"?
Or is that just your feelings again?
Of course I do. If all those pages you complain about end up reducing barriers to trade, and they do, then the increased trade will benefit all involved. Not to mention the increased personal freedom that conservatives are supposed to advocate. Just because we have to negotiate what we're agreeing to doesn't mean that free(r) trade shouldn't be vigorously pursued. What's your alternative to what we have now? If what we're doing now is so bad where is the negative impact on our economy?
You need to look at our GDP growth, employment growth and the increases in our personal wealth since we embraced free(r) trade after WWII. Your feelings may tell you one thing however, the facts tell us all something very different.
And you just proved you don't understand my point.
Illegal immigration didn't exist prior to NAFTA? You must be very young or never studied history in school. But thanks for your post that has nothing to do with the thread.
Naw, I just choose to live in the real world. I find it hard to work with folks who are immutable when it comes to their idealism. They also tend to be constipated a lot.
Not sure what you're talking about here.
I know lots of 1944 people who are thrilled that their children and grandchildren have much better lives today than they did back then.
I'm trying to agree with you but you don't seem to want any part of it --just what part of "yes" don't you understand?
I'm telling you, I just love "fair trade" -- especially when we're saying it means "talks with Canada and Mexico on establishing a North American free trade zone and inaugurated another multilateral trade negotiation known as the Uruguay Round".
Didn't you also show that lowering import taxes actually lead to greater economic activity and increased tax revenue? I remember seeing that information posted on FR and I believe you were the one who did the research. IIRC, it also threw the protectionists a curve they couldn't hit - if they bothered to respond at all.
'No' on both counts. I've lived under 13 presidents. Y'sef?
"But thanks for your post that has nothing to do with the thread."
I think when your children or grandchildren grow up they'll understand my post perfectly -- and perhaps with a smile of 'knowingness' on their faces and a little anger in their hearts.
NAFTA? Oh, Yeah! Wasn't that the old 'bait 'n switch' routine that failed and caused the 'migration' to the north because the jobs are going to China instead?
But, hey, not to worry. Plenty of truck driver jobs for 'em. You know, just doing the jobs Americans won't do once we shut down the unions.
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In all those years you should have learned that trade has nothing to do with illegal immigration. You should have also learned that the vast majority of people in favor of free(r) markets are also in favor of strict enforcement of our immigration laws.
Since you seem to be focused on NAFTA maybe you can show us how NAFTA caused jobs to go to China. Mexico benefited a great deal from NAFTA. Unfortunately, they chose to maintain their statist economy instead of adopting reforms like they should have. Maybe you can show us how illegal immigration wouldn't be so bad today if NAFTA hadn't passed.
Just as an aside, I think my children will undoubtedly benefit if the unions are ever shut down. I believe they'd thank my generation for helping that along should it ever come to pass.
Or is that just your feelings again?
Mexico has done what they have wanted to do regarding farming. They hoarded water since 1992 and have hurt the south Texas economy. Did George Bush help the farmers? He!! no. Eve n when satelite pictures proved Mexico was hoarding water.
Only fools would eat some of that mess coming from Mexico. Even George Bush carried bottled water and laughed about it but it is not really a laughing matter. Mexico will always cheat so get used to it.
By the way,l when did I mention "feelings"?
These two issues do get linked a lot on these threads. The idea is that import tax-cuts caused a "giant sucking sound" of American jobs going to Mexico, which is why we now have unemployed Mexicans trying to fill employment vacancies in the States.
OK, I know it's loopy, but this is how the two issues have been linked.
Hoarded what water? Where? I always thought water flowed south.
By the way,l when did I mention "feelings"?
When you don't post facts showing that the agreement "let our trading partners do whatever they want to do to our food", the only thing left is your feelings.
Also known as Willie logic. It sounds good until you actually think about it.
So don't think about. It feels good don't it?
"Hoarded what water? Where? I always thought water flowed south."
Thanks, now I see what and who I am conversing with. LOL Try this website. Scroll down and you will find a map showing how water flows south. LOLOLOL
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/hrofr/interim/int77-7.pdf
How come a liter of vanilla extract costs $2.50 in Tecate, Mexico and $23.00 in El Cajon, CA?
And if we get rid of NAFTA?
One thing about 6 of the 18 blue collar people I work with lose their jobs.
Read post #57. Proof of Mexico of cheating.
And who and what would that be?
Thanks for posting a fact for a change. With all your fact free feelings you sounded like a chick.
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