Skip to comments.Analysis: Kosovo's anxious wait
Posted on 08/03/2006 9:45:42 AM PDT by kronos77
On the pavement, Dragoljub Mitrovic, 37, is trying to sell a heap of cheese in a blue bucket.
He has travelled from his home village, through an Albanian area, to try and make some money to feed his wife and two children.
"All Serbs, including me, live in constant fear. The UN brings us here on special buses. If Kosovo becomes independent, I'll pack my things and leave and try to get asylum elsewhere. There'd be no life for me here. I'd look for democracy in Europe."
Technically, Kosovo remains a part of Serbia. But in reality it has been run by the United Nations since the end of the war in 1999.
ass the French troops stationed on the bridge over the River Ibar, that separates the Serb north from the Albanian south, and you enter a different world.
The place is humming: crowded, colourful, energetic. There is a sense of expectation.
Edmond Jolla, 32, is Albanian and the owner of the upmarket restaurant Ex.
"Everyone is expecting independence. In terms of my business, independence would enable me to invest for the future. Everyone will live better. I have two flats in north Mitrovica and when we get independence I hope to get them back. The war is finished," he tells me.
Drive 45 minutes south and you arrive at the air-conditioned, spankingly clean New Government Buildings in the capital, Pristina.
The former Albanian guerrilla leader-turned-prime minister, Agim Ceku, is sharp-suited and smiling when I arrive.
He tells me the government will accept nothing less than independence - and partition is out of the question.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...
"The former Albanian guerrilla leader-turned-prime minister, Agim Ceku, is sharp-suited and smiling when I arrive."
"Indicted war criminal (ethnical cleansing, rape, torture of Christians) turned-primeministre by UN..."
That guy deserves .22 cal. dance in his scull.
Once you give a war criminal the title of "Prime Minister", what do you think that he is going to expect, other than independence? As far as he is concerned, he is already the leader of "a country"!
Another legacy of Bill Clinton.
Ergo, Serbian indictments don't mean squat, and Ceku's designation as a "war criminal" is merely for domestic (and ex-pat) Serbian consumption.
So go ahead and work yourselves up into another lather - it's all for naught, and life, though you may dislike the way it goes, will go on.
"When you lie down with wolves you become one" NATO's silence and complicity with this barbaric criminal Ceku will come back to haunt us. In the meantime, he is a Walking Dead Man.
Why don't you just go get Clinton to give you a b-job & give it up, Hoppie. Your glib lib attitudes don't fly here anymore -- if they ever did.
By the way, got Osama?
Good for you - it appears to be the response of last resort amongst your peers.
Sweet if you say yes.
dude, think of all the funning we will have! picking up chicks and bringing them back to our batchelors pad and then..ya know? heheehehe
Yeah Hoplite will wow'em with all his combat experience, he's like the military version of Barney Fife.
Oh, and don't let him get all long winded about his ED, he'll babble on an on about that for hours trying to explain how the only treatment that works for him is his "hunt for Destro" forays on the bloggers all over the net.
How about a dose of reality and the truth for a change? meaning of course that you are mistaken. :))
A Superbly Organized Crime
Imperial Occupation of the Balkans
Organized And Other Crimes Not exactly. It turns out "several ethnic Albanian politicians are suspected of being linked to the gangs." Like who? Hashim Taqi, head of the KLA, nicknamed "Snake" for assassinating his rivals? Agim Ceku, former general in the Croatian army who specialized in ethnic cleansing? Bajram Rexhepi, the current Prime Minister, who is said to have decapitated a Serb prisoner during the NATO-KLA "war of liberation"? Robertson does not say, and neither does the VOA. All that matters is that NATO (good) is pledging to fight some unspecified organized crime (bad).
What, you're hoping that more will join your Dhimmi club? You're barking up the wrong tree, O' toothless one!
Now go make us some pancakes!
How's about you actually backing up these big words with something substantiative, rather than relying upon a couple of Serbian propaganda artists to provide irrelevant material to fill up your post?
Who besides Serbia has indicted Ceku?
Serbia is enough with actual indictments. Who better to indict a war criminal than the ones who he perpetrated the crimes against. However, given your professional knowledge and well read intelligence, I am bound to give you more references. So, I will provide more info later this week as I do my work here and i will find the time to give you more retort.
Oh, guess what I learned this weekend? Wesley Clark was relieved of his command instead of retirement only. He chose retirement. I got this straight from the source....CI did an investigation on him....long story short. I find that very interesting since he wrote a book about the ill fated intervention we were involved in.....
However, granted the Serbs are split between their nationalism and trying to meet with UN/US requirements....for entrance into the mainstream; so to speak. You have a good point...from a neutral point of view...so, in a short while I will respond.
Also, keep in mind that Ceku, Thaqi and Ramush is protected by the U.S. and other UN advocates....beyond acceptable levels......very deep pockets especially when terrorist are released from Bondsteel by covert means.....or released by "lack of evidence"....
Uh-huh. It's just that nobody gives a rat's ass about Serbia's Milosevic era indictments, and those indicted can visit Serbia itself without having to worry about being arrested, because the Serbian government itself knows it's all nothing but a stupid PR stunt.
Deal with what? Most anything that comes out of the ICTY will be biased and unprofessional. They can't be trusted in any way, shape or form. Much in the same way you label with Serbia.
Also, it find it interesting that Wesley was relieved of his command following several CI investigations to include family members, not to elaborate. This is a fact.....got it first hand.
Anyway, you should give a mouses' buttockette about the Serbian current indictments which are true and should be followed up on....but won't due to the "juice" given to the Kosovo Criminal leaders........that we are supporting. Go figure. One reason they can't indict is that few of the witnesses are still living after most all have been murdered.
it's 6:00 AM EST....don't you ever sleep....? :)) here its 1200 AM...and in one minute will be 1201 PM.....
Can't sleep huh? All those guilty feelings and pent up "energy"...:)))
The fact that Serbia's Milosevic era indictments don't mean squat - not even in Serbia.
Is this really too complicated for you?
No wonder you work for the Serbs.
Don't work for the Serbs, Son....Everything I write or do is because I'm Patriot. I'm tired of the lies by Clinton and Holbrooke and Walker....to name a few. The indictments are valid but not supported due to the corruption and deep pocket of the ICTY. The ICTY is a laughing stock and a travesity to good order. A complete sham.......It's not complicated for me or you. That is the sad part. You understand it, and yet you support the evil strategy......
So the ICTY controls the Serbian Judiciary?
Learn something new every day around here - no wonder Mladic was coughed up the minute he was indicted.
And last time I checked, Tom, selling yourself out to a bunch of ethno-racist Balkanoids isn't really "Patriotic", at least not as far as America is concerned.
Stupid, yes. Patriotic, no.
well, tell that to the www.savekosovo.org. It's called real patriots not the type in DC that is profiting and lying their A#&'s off.
It's not for the Serbs, it's for the truth and to educate the American public about the truth...more articles to come out...this is all I can say right now...we have only started. deal with it.....this should be an intersting year....:)
Newsflash Tom: Your truth and the actual truth are two very different things.
Which is why you're doomed to failure in pursuing your contemptible cause.
Oh, you mean these mass graves.....
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--Speak the Truth and Shame the Devil--
March 24, 2001
Speech Delivered at Toronto, Ontario:
The Balkans: Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow
(Continued violence in Kosovo: KFOR's inability to protect minority communities, expansion of conflict into Macedonia and South Serbia)
A speculative bubble has burst on Wall Street in recent weeks; another form of "bubble," a mass-delusion, is bursting in the Balkans. We are, at last, finding that throughout the English speaking world, that the people were misled and drawn into a stampede for a crusading war, by manipulative politicians and their collaborators, eager journalists, so ambitious for a lurid story, they suspended all critical reason, their natural skepticism and any sense of proportion. Bubbles and hysterias are not new among the races of men. One hundred fifty years ago, in the famous study of mass hysterias, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds; Charles Mackay, a Scottish cleric wrote:
"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds,
while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
- Charles Mackay; Preface to the 1852 Edition, p. xx
We have --as individuals and together-- suffered through years of "Yesterdays" as The West waged a Secular Crusade against Yugoslavia, only to find that it was not the rogue element, the threat to peace in Central Europe. We stand here, together, Today, to commemorate the innocent dead and to invite our fellow North Americans to recover their senses, one by one. For the states and peoples of the Balkans, "Tomorrow" still remains uncertain, but it is now inescapable that the only material threat to peace is not Serbian or "Slavic" chauvinism, but, rather, an insatiable Albanian nationalist appetite for their neighbors' lands, and their wanton propensity for violence.
Two years ago our leaders and journalists told us some lurid tales:
* The "Serbs," we were told by our leaders and experts, were "Nazi beasts."
* The "Serbs," we were told, were racist; but we find, that 26 ethnic groups co-exist peaceably in Yugoslavia alongside the Serbs: Croats, Turks, Muslims of several varieties, and particularly the universally oppressed Roma. Yugoslavia is the one country in Europe where the Gypsy has found equality and full civil rights. Further, some 80,000 Albanians in Belgrade were never molested, before, during or after NATO's war.
* The "Serbs," we were told, were committing genocide against the innocent Albanians of Kosovo, despite a clear record that the KLA had been attacking Serbs, Roma, Turks, Slavic Muslims and other Albanians --moderate pacifists and loyalists-- for over a year.
Two years ago today, NATO, conceived and founded as a strictly defensive military alliance, was hijacked by its ambitious national leaders. Two years ago, today, NATO began an illegal war of aggression, justified in the free press as a moral crusade to punish the perceived "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" the NATO governments and media assured us was a matter of undeniable fact. Two years ago, NATO learned to practice unrestrained murder from the air.
Two years ago today, the self-proclaimed "democracies" of "the West" confirmed what Plato warned of more than 2,400 years ago: ambitious leaders of democracies are just as tyrannical and just as dangerous as any other form of despot. The People have no defense other than their vigilance and skepticism, when political leaders begin to look for "causes" abroad, to justify their tenure in office.
Two years ago this coming June, NATO forces entered Kosovo at the end of that "famous victory" over the beastly "dictator" Slobodan Milosevic, and forensics teams fanned out, with "ace-investigative journalists" hot on their heels, ready to confirm the worst allegations made by NATO propagandists during the long air war: there must be tens of thousands of innocent Albanian victims consigned to nameless graves by the beasts of the Yugoslav Army, Interior Police (MUP) or fantastical "paramilitaries."
But there were few mass graves to be found, and one of the largest and worst alleged massacre sites, at the village of Suva Reka, turned out to contain the remains of 150 Serb victims who had been kidnapped and liquidated by the KLA, not by dreaded "paramilitary" butchers executing the dread commands of "the Butcher of Belgrade."
In fact, the body count from Kosovo for all sides, from the fighting and terrorism of the year before the air war, the 78-day air war itself, and the 21-odd months of NATO occupation in Kosovo appears to be some 4,000-5,000 on all sides. ALL SIDES; and it is clear that the KLA and NATO killed the majority of these "victims," the KLA through a vicious and xenophobic campaign of political and inter-ethnic terror, NATO, mostly through accidents of "collateral damage" that are intrinsic elements of its new doctrine of "stand-off bombardment" or "Nintendo Warfare."
Twice, convoys of innocent Albanian loyalists were slaughtered by NATO bombs dropped from 15,000 feet: at that altitude, to an eager pilot zooming about in an F-16, or Canadian F-18, a tractor hauling a hay wagon may look like an army Two-and-a-half ton truck --a "Deuce and a half" as we call them in our NATO armies. Well, collateral damage is excused in a just war, we are told. But the evidence continues to show that NATO's air war, "Operation Allied Force," was not just, and the incidents of bombed out tractors, busses, a passenger train, marketplaces, factories, refineries, bridges and a broadcast studio, add up to a roster of unpardonable offenses against a people and to Humanity.
Two years ago today, the free press of the English-speaking world failed us all: Canadian and British papers and broadcast journalists eagerly and disingenuously jumped on the Clinton-Blair-Chretian propaganda bandwagon. Only since the war have a few journalists sobered up to the facts; in particular, may I complement the CBC with "faint praise" for recanting a lie about a certain Kosovo Albanian girl whose sister told the CBC had been brutally murdered by the evil "Serbs."
--May I also complement the men of the Canadian Army in UN service, who, over the years since the Balkan wars began, have clearly tried to set the record straight about real war crimes in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo: Matt Stopford, Rollie Keith, Scott Taylor and many others.
This is the Product of NATO's Concept of Security in Kosovo:
I stand here, today "to speak the truth and shame the Devil," as the Francois Rabelais urged almost five centuries ago. I hope I succeed in some small measure.
In these two years since the war more of the housing stock has been destroyed through arson, than through the alleged ethnic cleansing or during the air war. Since the war, 1300 Serbs, Roma and other minorities have disappeared, and are feared dead. Hundreds of Albanians have also been murdered in political violence, common crimes or blood feuds. One hundred churches and monasteries have been destroyed, many of them ancient monuments; and how many priceless relics have been looted? Over 250,000 minorities have fled before the KLA's campaign of ethnic cleansing by terror, executed under the noses of NATO's military forces. Girls from eastern Europe have been kidnapped and forced into "white slavery" in Kosovo, while girls from Kosovo and Albania have been kidnapped and forced into prostitution in Western Europe. Heroin is everywhere.
Since the war, Kosovo's Croat and Jewish communities have entirely removed themselves and have ceased to sojourn there. South of Prizren, a Turkish Battalion has to protect Slavic Muslims from attacks from Albanian Muslim and Catholic terrorists. This is the "security" NATO waged war to establish in Kosovo: and it gets worse.
The original purposes of government, under any written or unwritten constitution, are to establish justice, provide for the common defense, and secure domestic law and order. NATO, the UN civilian administration and a horde of Non-governmental organization personnel have failed at these purposes, and have even failed to collect the garbage or provide a reliable electrical supply.
Meanwhile, international observers have determined that the new tribunals in Kosovo, manned by Albanian justices, prosecutors and clerks, are nothing more than Kangaroo Courts. The UN and NATO, after nearly two years, are still looking for ways to establish a credible system of justice. --Imagine if the Canadian or American government failed to establish public services after a natural calamity, such as a blizzard, flood or hurricane and took more than a week?
Here are Some Facts about the Kosovo Liberation Army's Wars:
Right up to last week, as the KLA butchers continued to murder isolated Serbs, Roma, Turks, Gorani and other minorities, the elements in the media often referred to as "the War Party," have continued to wage a propaganda campaign in favor of the KLA and as a means of conserving their own compromised reputations. This campaign has been spread in the American and British media, in particular, even as the Liberation Army of Presevo, Medvedja and Bujanovac (the UCPBM) tried to mount a sideshow insurrection in the 3-mile wide demilitarized zone that insulates NATO's forces from the threat of a sneaky "Serb" attack. But NATO officers report to me, and now to the Press, that they have never had a whisper of a problem with Yugoslavia's military or police, either in the time of the "Butcher Milosevic" or under the administration of Vojislav Kostunica.
Those NATO officers, the men who admit their sense of shame for participating in the illegal war, also confirm that NATO found no evidence that either the Yugoslav Army or MUP police committed any atrocity before or during the NATO Air War. May I repeat; NATO's general staff has confirmed privately and in some public venues, that there is no evidence of any atrocities committed by the uniformed forces of Yugoslavia. Here's how a key NATO-SHAPE staff officer described it to me last week: "The truth is that the Serb/FRY government has never been found to or even accused of organized, government-sponsored atrocities."
As an example, they know that there was never any incineration of 700 or 1500 bodies at the lead smelters in the Trepca mine complex: that same NATO staff officer, an Air Force Lieutenant Colonel in Intelligence, confirmed that the complex was under continuous satellite surveillance. Infra red sensors showed the boilers were never fired up during the entire air war. "The Trepca mine (a very large non-ferrous metals facility) was under constant infra red satellite surveillance throughout the 78-day war. The refinery smelter furnaces never registered as "hot spots."
French Forensics investigators found no evidence of DNA anywhere. Still, just three days after George W. Bush's Inauguration --and Bush was known to be unsympathetic to the KLA-- Minnesota Public Radio recycled the atrocity allegation, complete with a couple of unsavory Serb witnesses who "admitted" to participating in the cremations.
But the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) promptly denied the allegations. Then, Colonel Douglas MacGregor of the US Army, the man who commanded NATO's "Joint Operations Center" which "managed" the tasking of the air war for General Wesley Clark, personally wrote MPR to rebut the story. "We sent in a team to inspect the mines as soon as NATO troops arrived in Kosovo. There was no evidence of any mass murder in the mines, bodies or anything else." He confirmed to me.
In June, 1999, NATO found that there was no real campaign of "ethnic cleansing," "slaughter" or "genocide." What they found was vastly less than a crisis requiring international intervention. But the Press and politicians involved, continued to maintain the perception that there had been a genocide, in order to preserve their reputations.
In Presevo and Macedonia: the Wolves have shed their Fleeces
And what now? In America, a new Administration is not wedded to the KLA's racist cause. And that may be a key reason why the pro-KLA media mounted their campaign to recycle old, debunked propaganda, while the KLA's subsidiary groups, the UCPMB and the "National Liberation Army" in Macedonia, have launched their guerrilla-terrorist campaigns.
The Albanian Nationalists have gone a "ridge too far," in the Macedonian incursion. Finally the West moves to distance itself from these homicidal maniacs; at last the media turn skeptical. We now see that the xenophobic dream of a "Greater Albania" is the true agenda of a bizarre combination of drug-dealing Mafiosi, ideological terrorists, chauvinists and an ethnic "intelligentsia". If achieved, though, this "Greater Albania," carved through war and diplomatic bullying would only set that Mafia astride all the key trade routes that accommodate both legitimate commerce and smuggling. That Mafia, masquerading as a nationalist government, would enjoy sovereign powers equal to that of its neighbors.
Faced with that prospect and the evidence of KLA behavior over the last two years, NATO is finally waking up to the true dangers of the situation. But this reckless and homicidal criminal conspiracy is also at its most powerful: the KLA has spent the last two years gathering munitions, recruiting more gunmen, and training for a mountain guerrilla war that NATO is not prepared to counter. Much misery and dying may lie ahead in coming months and years.
It is for us, standing here, together, on this "Remembrance Day," to solemnly pay our profound respect to the innocent who lost their lives before and during NATO's air war. Let us also remember all the innocent who have been deprived of life, liberty and their pursuit of happiness since June 1999 and before March 24, 1999. Let us be generous of spirit and remember innocent Albanian victims of the KLA and NATO, as well as Serbs, Gorani, Gypsies, and every other victim of what was clearly a racist conspiracy for conquest and an unjust and unwarranted international war of aggression.
* * END * *
OR THESE MASS GRAVES.........
Vecernje Novosti, Belgrade, Yugoslavia
March 1, 2001
Mass grave of Serbs found in Suva Reka
Initial evidence suggests grave contains bodies of 150 executed and probably kidnapped Serbs. KFOR apparently delayed identification on purpose!
Belgrade - The discovery of the body of Momcilo Ristanovic near Suva Reka apparently represents the beginning of identification of a significant number of Serbs who are on the list of 1,300 non-Albanian persons abducted in Kosovo.
According to Boskovic, a significant number of kidnapped Serbs are buried at the new cemetery near Suva Reka. They were most probably killed in June, July or August of 1999 by Albanian terrorists at the time of KFOR's arrival.
Bodies of hundreds of dead found in various parts of the province were first buried by KFOR troops in a common grave in the Pristina settlement of Dragodan.
After the arrival of a group of experts from the Hague tribunal, the bodies were exhumed so their identity could be determined.
The Hague investigators, Boskovic understood, expressly exhumed these graves in search of evidence of war crimes by Serb forces in Kosovo. However, once they realized that the bodies were actually those of executed Serbs, they abruptly ended their investigation and ordered the reburial of the corpses at the new cemetery in Suva Reka.
By doing so, says Boskovic, they missed the opportunity to very easily identify these executed victims while the bodies were still in good condition. Unfortunately however, because this was not done in time, the identification process is now much more difficult.
However, two years later, someone from KFOR apparently became conscience-stricken: when it was determined that the mass grave near Suva Reka contains the human remains
of at least 150 Serbs, most probably those who had been kidnapped. KFOR and UNMIK have belatedly announced the continuation of the identification process and, at last, the inclusion of Serbian pathologists.
Another Mass Grave In Malisheva Is Being Investigated
12 Aug 99 (Zeri) The workers of Office for Missing Persons and UNMIK forensic teams from Prishtina, lead by their Chief, Pablo Baraybar, started searching for another mass grave in the territory of Malisheva Municipality.
The searches are being made in the same location where three months ago a mass grave with 13 bodies was found, according to the informations they belonged to the Serbian nationality.
Since Thursday in Mirdita neighborhood of Malisheva, two diggers are working on digging the ground and searching for the mass graves. Argentinean Special Forces are securing the location with tape and a sign to not cross into the area.
So far no bodies has been found according to the Baraybar. The office that is led by him has information that 10 to 13 bodies are in these mass graves, which they suppose are Serbs.
The new searches, according to Baraybar, will continue until they find the bodies. He has informations that the new mass grave is somewhere near the mass grave that has been found in May of this year.
well actually, you haven't provided any proof of the mass graves yourself.....
Have you forgotten so soon?
This particular point is no longer in contention, Tom. You might think it is, but that's more a reflection of your mental state than of reality.
your proof of the mass graves is the old claims that was used by the Clinton Admin, Hillary, AlBright (or was it Alldull??), UN, etc...that has since been forgotten as BS......but kept alive by advocates in order to keep the lie afloat. There are still Republican die-hards that swear the Balkan campaign was to shade Clinton's personal life...it's mind boggling, but they blind themselves to the actual purpose of why we are in the Balkans. Then people like you, who are either taken in by their Daddy or still actually believe in the BS, or worse yet, you know the truth, but continue to spread the BS.....in order to keep these people who don't know away from the truth.....
Reality is always the truth which is above even loyality to the family.....truth and honor is more important than life.....even if truth hurts.
You said there were no mass graves of K-Albanians in Kosovo. You were mistaken. This was pointed out to you, you repeated the claim, ergo, now you are a liar.
You're in no position to lecture anyone upon truth and honor, Tom.
Hoppie, from whose sources are you referring. Yours? you seem to think that if you pull out sources they are accurate or true. Not so. You seem to have avoided the sources I gave you and reduce your comments to that of a simpleton. If it weren't for the advance of technology and the elimination of the old 45 record........some might not understand the term that applies to you......lolol :) it's called a "Broken Record"...you can't say a broken MP3.....lololol, at least the broken record still works...like you. keeps saying the same old thing and no proof or substance.....
The mass grave at Vidomiric is a documented example of a mass grave of K-Albanians in Kosovo, Tom. Your continual denial of the result of Serbian operations in Kosovo (mass graves) is just stupid by now.
So if you want to continue to be stupid, have at it.
"You are laboring under the mistaken impression that you can simply ignore facts you don't like and attempt to smother them behind a smokescreen of irrelevant posts"
****I love it when you are reading my mind. It makes my posting that much easier to send you responses. I only have to cut and paste. I'll be back at you shortly.
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