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How the Schools Shortchange Boys - In the newly feminized classroom, boys tune out.
City Journal ^ | Summer 2006 | Gerry Garibaldi

Posted on 08/03/2006 11:38:51 AM PDT by neverdem

Since I started teaching several years ago, after 25 years in the movie business, I’ve come to learn firsthand that everything I’d heard about the feminization of our schools is real—and far more pernicious to boys than I had imagined. Christina Hoff Sommers was absolutely accurate in describing, in her 2000 bestseller, The War Against Boys, how feminist complaints that girls were “losing their voice” in a male-oriented classroom have prompted the educational establishment to turn the schools upside down to make them more girl-friendly, to the detriment of males.

As a result, boys have become increasingly disengaged. Only 65 percent earned high school diplomas in the class of 2003, compared with 72 percent of girls, education researcher Jay Greene recently documented. Girls now so outnumber boys on most university campuses across the country that some schools, like Kenyon College, have even begun to practice affirmative action for boys in admissions. And as in high school, girls are getting better grades and graduating at a higher rate.

As Sommers understood, it is boys’ aggressive and rationalist nature—redefined by educators as a behavioral disorder—that’s getting so many of them in trouble in the feminized schools. Their problem: they don’t want to be girls.

Take my tenth-grade student Brandon. I noted that he was on the no-pass list again, after three consecutive days in detention for being disruptive. “Who gave it to you this time?” I asked, passing him on my way out.

“Waverly,” he muttered into the long folding table.

“What for?”

“Just asking a question,” he replied.

“No,” I corrected him. “You said”—and here I mimicked his voice—“ ‘Why do we have to do this crap anyway?’ Right?”

Brandon recalls one of those sweet, ruby-cheeked boys you often see depicted on English porcelain.

He’s smart, precocious, and—according to his special-education profile—has been “behaviorally challenged” since fifth grade. The special-ed classification is the bane of the modern boy. To teachers, it’s a yellow flag that snaps out at you the moment you open a student’s folder. More than any other factor, it has determined Brandon’s and legions of other boys’ troubled tenures as students.

Brandon’s current problem began because Ms. Waverly, his social studies teacher, failed to answer one critical question: What was the point of the lesson she was teaching? One of the first observations I made as a teacher was that boys invariably ask this question, while girls seldom do. When a teacher assigns a paper or a project, girls will obediently flip their notebooks open and jot down the due date. Teachers love them. God loves them. Girls are calm and pleasant. They succeed through cooperation.

Boys will pin you to the wall like a moth. They want a rational explanation for everything. If unconvinced by your reasons—or if you don’t bother to offer any—they slouch contemptuously in their chairs, beat their pencils, or watch the squirrels outside the window. Two days before the paper is due, girls are handing in the finished product in neat vinyl folders with colorful clip-art title pages. It isn’t until the boys notice this that the alarm sounds. “Hey, you never told us ’bout a paper! What paper?! I want to see my fucking counselor!”

A female teacher, especially if she has no male children of her own, I’ve noticed, will tend to view boys’ penchant for challenging classroom assignments as disruptive, disrespectful—rude. In my experience, notes home and parent-teacher conferences almost always concern a boy’s behavior in class, usually centering on this kind of conflict. In today’s feminized classroom, with its “cooperative learning” and “inclusiveness,” a student’s demand for assurance of a worthwhile outcome for his effort isn’t met with a reasonable explanation but is considered inimical to the educational process. Yet it’s this very trait, innate to boys and men, that helps explain male success in the hard sciences, math, and business.

The difference between the male and female predilection for hard proof shows up among the teachers, too. In my second year of teaching, I attended a required seminar on “differentiated instruction,” a teaching model that is the current rage in the fickle world of pop education theory. The method addresses the need to teach all students in a classroom where academic abilities vary greatly—where there is “heterogeneous grouping,” to use the ed-school jargon—meaning kids with IQs of 55 sit side by side with the gifted. The theory goes that the “least restrictive environment” is best for helping the intellectually challenged. The teacher’s job is to figure out how to dice up his daily lessons to address every perceived shortcoming and disability in the classroom.

After the lecture, we broke into groups of five, with instructions to work cooperatively to come up with a model lesson plan for just such a classroom situation. My group had two men and three women. The women immediately set to work; my seasoned male cohort and I reclined sullenly in our chairs.

“Are the women going to do all the work?” one of the women inquired brightly after about ten minutes.

“This is baloney,” my friend declared, yawning, as he chucked the seminar handout into a row of empty plastic juice bottles. “We wouldn’t have this problem if we grouped kids by ability, like we used to.”

The women, all dedicated teachers, understood this, too. But that wasn’t the point. Treating people as equals was a social goal well worth pursuing. And we contentious boys were just too dumb to get it.

Female approval has a powerful effect on the male psyche. Kindness, consideration, and elevated moral purpose have nothing to do with an irreducible proof, of course. Yet we male teachers squirm when women point out our moral failings—and our boy students do, too. This is the virtue that has helped women redefine the mission of education.

The notion of male ethical inferiority first arises in grammar school, where women make up the overwhelming majority of teachers. It’s here that the alphabet soup of supposed male dysfunctions begins. And make no mistake: while girls occasionally exhibit symptoms of male-related disorders in this world, females diagnosed with learning disabilities simply don’t exist.

For a generation now, many well-meaning parents, worn down by their boy’s failure to flourish in school, his poor self-esteem and unhappiness, his discipline problems, decide to accept administration recommendations to have him tested for disabilities. The pitch sounds reasonable: admission into special ed qualifies him for tutoring, modified lessons, extra time on tests (including the SAT), and other supposed benefits. It’s all a hustle, Mom and Dad privately advise their boy. Don’t worry about it. We know there’s nothing wrong with you.

To get into special ed, however, administrators must find something wrong. In my four years of teaching, I’ve never seen them fail. In the first IEP (Individualized Educational Program) meeting, the boy and his parents learn the results of disability testing. When the boy hears from three smiling adults that he does indeed have a learning disability, his young face quivers like Jell-O. For him, it was never a hustle. From then on, however, his expectations of himself—and those of his teachers—plummet.

Special ed is the great spangled elephant in the education parade. Each year, it grows larger and more lumbering, drawing more and more boys into the procession. Since the publication of Sommers’s book, it has grown tenfold. Special ed now is the single largest budget item, outside of basic operations, in most school districts across the country.

Special-ed boosters like to point to the success that boys enjoy after they begin the program. Their grades rise, and the phone calls home cease. Anxious parents feel reassured that progress is happening. In truth, I have rarely seen any real improvement in a student’s performance after he’s become a special-ed kid. On my first day of teaching, I received manila folders for all five of my special-ed students—boys all—with a score of modifications that I had to make in each day’s lesson plan.

I noticed early on that my special-ed boys often sat at their desks with their heads down or casually staring off into space, as if tracking motes in their eyes, while I proceeded with my lesson. A special-ed caseworker would arrive, take their assignments, and disappear with the boys into the resource room. The students would return the next day with completed assignments.

“Did you do this yourself?” I’d ask, dubious.

They assured me that they did. I became suspicious, however, when I noticed that they couldn’t perform the same work on their own, away from the resource room. A special-ed caseworker’s job is to keep her charges from failing. A failure invites scrutiny and reams of paperwork. The caseworkers do their jobs.

Brandon has been on the special-ed track since he was nine. He knows his legal rights as well as his caseworkers do. And he plays them ruthlessly. In every debate I have with him about his low performance, Brandon delicately threads his response with the very sinews that bind him. After a particularly easy midterm, I made him stay after class to explain his failure.

“An ‘F’?!” I said, holding the test under his nose.

“You were supposed to modify that test,” he countered coolly. “I only had to answer nine of the 27 questions. The nine I did are all right.”

His argument is like a piece of fine crystal that he rolls admiringly in his hand. He demands that I appreciate the elegance of his position. I do, particularly because my own is so weak.

Yet while the process of education may be deeply absorbing to Brandon, he long ago came to dismiss the content entirely. For several decades, white Anglo-Saxon males—Brandon’s ancestors—have faced withering assault from feminism- and multiculturalism-inspired education specialists. Armed with a spiteful moral rectitude, their goal is to sever his historical reach, to defame, cover over, dilute . . . and then reconstruct.

In today’s politically correct textbooks, Nikki Giovanni and Toni Morrison stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Mark Twain, William Faulkner, and Charles Dickens, even though both women are second-raters at best. But even in their superficial aspects, the textbooks advertise publishers’ intent to pander to the prevailing PC attitudes. The books feature page after page of healthy, exuberant young girls in winning portraits. Boys (white boys in particular) will more often than not be shunted to the background in photos or be absent entirely or appear sitting in wheelchairs.

The underlying message isn’t lost on Brandon. His keen young mind reads between the lines and perceives the folly of all that he’s told to accept. Because he lacks an adult perspective, however, what he cannot grasp is the ruthlessness of the war that the education reformers have waged. Often when he provokes, it’s simple boyish tit for tat.

A week ago, I dispatched Brandon to the library with directions to choose a book for his novel assignment. He returned minutes later with his choice and a twinkling smile.

“I got a grrreat book, Mr. Garibaldi!” he said, holding up an old, bleary, clothbound item. “Can I read the first page aloud, pahlease?”

My mind buzzed like a fly, trying to discover some hint of mischief.

“Who’s the author?”

“Ah, Joseph Conrad,” he replied, consulting the frontispiece. “Can I? Huh, huh, huh?”

“I guess so.”

Brandon eagerly stood up before the now-alert class of mostly black and Puerto Rican faces, adjusted his shoulders as if straightening a prep-school blazer, then intoned solemnly: “The Nigger of the ‘Narcissus’ ”—twinkle, twinkle, twinkle. “Chapter one. . . .”

Merry mayhem ensued. Brandon had one of his best days of the year.

Boys today feel isolated and outgunned, but many, like Brandon, don’t lack pluck and courage. They often seem to have more of it than their parents, who writhe uncomfortably before a system steeled in the armor of “social conscience.” The game, parents whisper to themselves, is to play along, to maneuver, to outdistance your rival. Brandon’s struggle is an honest one: to preserve truth and his own integrity.

Boys who get a compartment on the special-ed train take the ride to its end without looking out the window. They wait for the moment when they can step out and scorn the rattletrap that took them nowhere. At the end of the line, some, like Brandon, may have forged the resiliency of survival. But that’s not what school is for.


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KEYWORDS: bookreview; boys; education; malestudents; moralabsolutes; schools; specialeducation; waragainstboys
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1 posted on 08/03/2006 11:38:53 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Boys today feel isolated and outgunned, but many, like Brandon, don’t lack pluck and courage.

And they become prime candidatres for Ritalin to make them conformist vegetables.

2 posted on 08/03/2006 11:41:40 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: N. Theknow; neverdem

You know, I'm not sure I believe any of this. With arts programs on the outs, and sometimes even athletics, and not enough activity for all that young energy, I don't think demasculization is an issue.


3 posted on 08/03/2006 11:45:17 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: neverdem; TaxRelief

Very interesting, and a different perspective on what, with this topic, is usually the same old thing.

I know that as I have progressed with homeschooling, I've grown to consider the question, "What's the point of this assignment?" much more important, as well as, "What's the point of learning this material at all?"

Sometimes the answer will be, "Because you're going to be tested on it at the end of the year," or "Because this is an important skill that you'll use on the SAT," but we try to minimize that sort of instruction.


4 posted on 08/03/2006 11:46:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... and it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: neverdem

Public schools shortchange all their students, as well as good teachers. The answer is to not use them if at all possible.


5 posted on 08/03/2006 11:47:40 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: neverdem

Boy I'd be so screwed in school today


6 posted on 08/03/2006 11:50:20 AM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back their race over country)
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To: N. Theknow

All schools should be private, K-12, colleges, grad schools. There should be no federal or state involvement in education. This would cut state and local taxes by about 50% and put the money in the hands of education consumers to spend as they see fit. A whole new private education industry would take over, giving real choice, competition and high quality. Consumers always demand those things in a capitalist, non-socialist system. If XYZ School has a bad product, just switch to ABC School, etc.


7 posted on 08/03/2006 11:50:23 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: pleikumud

I agree 100%. Private pay for those who can pay, private charity for those who need help.


8 posted on 08/03/2006 11:53:27 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... and it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: neverdem

I'm wandering around freerepublic.com rather than preparing the lesson plans for the upcoming year in my English and history classes. Thanks for posting this article. Boys are screwed in the modern school. I try my best to mitigate the damage, as do some of the other teachers that I work with, but in general the anti-male bias is intense. Phallophobic might be a good word to invent for the bias; the word might produce a few nervous laughs, and laughter is a good method to get other teachers to remember the concept.

In any case, I'll have this article in the back of my mind as I plan out the year. Thanks.


9 posted on 08/03/2006 11:53:29 AM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: tophat9000
Boy I'd be so screwed in school today

We ... uh ... have a lot of threads about that aspect of public education, too.

10 posted on 08/03/2006 11:54:49 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("He hits me, he cries, he runs to the court and sues me.")
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To: Tired of Taxes

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11 posted on 08/03/2006 11:57:08 AM PDT by too short
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To: Froufrou
I suspect you have not had a boy in public school lately. I have, and this article rings very true with me. My son (now almost 13 and entering 8th grade) was pegged by a poor first-grade teacher as probable ADHD. We had him tested and the psychologist told us it was a mild case at worst. He sometimes was disorganized and his mind wandered. We refused to medicate him or do anything to give him any indication he was different or inferior. One day I went into his class unannounced and found this teacher literally screaming at another boy, while the other children cowered. I realized she could not cope with normal boy behavior. The same thing occurred when my son was put into the gifted program in fourth grade. The teacher was a shrew who hated boys. She gave my son a hard time about everything. Conferences with her were painful because we stood up for him.

Two years ago we moved to another state and the schools are like night and day. My son has had many male teachers, and even his female teachers do not treat him like a problem. The school principals are men. He has thrived and is now a straight-A student for the first time.

12 posted on 08/03/2006 11:57:21 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Meet the new dictators of America.....Bill Keller, James Risen, Eric Lichtblau, and Dana Priest)
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To: pleikumud

Property taxes = "free and public" education. What's wrong with this picture?


13 posted on 08/03/2006 12:04:37 PM PDT by redlocks322
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To: mcvey; DaveLoneRanger

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14 posted on 08/03/2006 12:05:09 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tax-chick

My whole high school experience seemed pointless to me.

My college experience wasn't any better. It was rehashing the stuff I was supposed to have learned in high school, with just a little more detail.

As the article says, perhaps this is just what guys do. Maybe we should be taught things that have more immediate paybacks, or at least frame subjects in a way that kids can relate to.

Why not teach kids skills they really want to learn, and could get genuine use out of?

I've never understood why we should waste time on Shakespeare, for instance, when reading him requires that we acquire an entirely new vocabulary we will never use again for as long as we live.

I definitely think I would have gotten a lot more out of school if I'd been able to learn more creative writing and less reviews of books I wasn't terribly interested in in the first place. Creative writing, after all, is something you can do as a career. Nobody's interested in your review of 'Henderson, the Rain King' save your teacher. And maybe, not even her.

So why make assignments like that the center of education, when people could be taught how to be creative and how to stretch their imaginations?

D


15 posted on 08/03/2006 12:05:51 PM PDT by daviddennis
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To: Dems_R_Losers

I wouldn't think of discounting what you say! It's true that my only child is a daughter, but my best friend had the identical experience as you! And her son is now an internationally renowned musician with a PhD!

BUT, while the thing about the ADHD may well be about teachers who shouldn't teach, it is also VERY much about enhanced state funding. They get money for those kids from the federal govt. That's why the label them and they did it to my daughter too. The meds were discountinued pronto and she's now a successful medical claims collector.


16 posted on 08/03/2006 12:07:57 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: You Dirty Rats; XJarhead

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17 posted on 08/03/2006 12:10:06 PM PDT by GoldwaterChick
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To: Froufrou
The most clear proof is this: 45% of students entering college are male (and dropping steadily). When it reaches 40% there will be 1.5 times as many girls as boys in college. And we (in the university system) continue to see highly-funded programs promoting women in certain fields (science, engineering), but the silence on the other side of the coin is DEAFENING ... where are the program to help make up for the growing shortfall of boys' performance in reading and language skills, or their shortfall in even reaching college at all?? Think about it - the long-term implications are serious!
18 posted on 08/03/2006 12:14:01 PM PDT by Tirian
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To: ClearCase_guy
Ewwwwwww! {:@ OOOOOOOOOOOO (my best Sam Kinison "Oh!" scream)
19 posted on 08/03/2006 12:18:07 PM PDT by tophat9000 (If it was illegal French Canadians would La Raza back them? Racist back their race over country)
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To: redlocks322

Well, as you know it isn't free, and parents are not really in a position to fire/replace the educators, who the politicians dare not criticize. "Spend more (tax) money on education!", the pols repeat over and over again, like robots.

Most people have been brain-washed into thinking that parents would fail to educate their children if we didn't have a socialist education system. They forget that the founders of our country were mostly home-schooled, self-taught, or educated in private schools.


20 posted on 08/03/2006 12:18:25 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: pleikumud
A whole new private education industry would take over, giving real choice, competition and high quality.

Just to play devil's advocate, how would you know? How would you know that one school is better than others? By the "grades" it gives? By some write-up in Time or Newsweek magazine? By "education specialists" who declare them so?

I see where you're going with your question, I just think that more accountability (and less political correctness) in public schools would do wonders for boosting the value of education received there.

21 posted on 08/03/2006 12:18:38 PM PDT by Lou L
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To: Tirian

I get what you're saying. Tech courses are important for American students of all sexes, including male, female AND the yet-to-be-determined. I say this tongue-in-cheek to highlight my chagrin at the 'tolerance' being taught for gays in the lower grades!

I guess the Ivy League president who said women weren't mentally up to the tech courses didn't know about the other side of the coin. Curriculums need work, across the board. I think they get more attention in colleges and if we had fewer liberal profs we'd be on the right track!


22 posted on 08/03/2006 12:20:25 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: daviddennis

Those are all good points. I agree that boys, and often girls, too, would benefit from education that teaches them to do something useful. Fixing an air conditioner, for example, would be more valuable to me than all the Spanish literature I've studied :-).

We live in a society that emphasizes "schooling" rather than "learning" or "education." I find that makes it difficult to focus on what my children really want to learn and might need to know (for real life), because we also have to consider what the state wants them to be doing now, and what colleges will want them to know and have done for admission. While it's true that college is not always valuable for a student, I want them to have the opportunity, if they choose to pursue it!

I like your suggestion about creative writing. My oldest daughter does a great deal of that, and it definitely develops skills. However, it's also useful to do persuasive and expository writing -- giving facts about things, expressing and opinions and reasons. Free Republic gives us all opportunities for reading and writing of this kind :-).

Regarding literature, I agree that much of what is taught in school is pointless at that time in life, and in that situation. Most of the world's great literature is aimed at willing adults, not incarcerated 15-year-olds. When a person wants Shakespeare in his life (or Dickens, Hardy, Tolstoy, etc.) those books are available in the library, along with the information the reader needs to help him understand it, if he finds it difficult.

This is what people (of any age) will do when they WANT to read and understand something, instead of being forced to. For example, I taught myself to read French in college (although my efforts to speak it are catastrophic), because I wanted to read "Cyrano de Bergerac" in the original.


23 posted on 08/03/2006 12:21:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (I've always wanted to be 40 ... and it's as good as I anticipated!)
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To: neverdem

Leter pingout - Moral Absolutes ping list.


24 posted on 08/03/2006 12:24:06 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: neverdem

I think boys and girls should have seperate classrooms and casual uniforms should be required. JMHO.


25 posted on 08/03/2006 12:24:34 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Lou L

Just as consumers vote with their wallets when they buy cars, furniture or homes, they would spend their money wisely on education. Free choice leads to higher standards, higher quality, better products, innovation, and customer satisfaction. If the customer isn't satisified, he or she looks for another education company (or clothing store, etc.). People are not so dumb that they need socialized education, in my opinion.


26 posted on 08/03/2006 12:25:23 PM PDT by pleikumud
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27 posted on 08/03/2006 12:27:43 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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28 posted on 08/03/2006 12:29:16 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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Thanks, Metmom.


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29 posted on 08/03/2006 12:29:38 PM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: too short

Thanks for the ping.


30 posted on 08/03/2006 12:29:38 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Tax-chick

I have never been interested in literature. I'd rather write something worth reading myself than read what people read hundreds of years ago. I think teaching in the modern era should be updated with modern subjects. At the same time, sadly, it seems like efforts to take that advice wind up in analysis of rap songs and the like, which I'm not sure is an improvement.

What's great about Free Republic in this regard is that it gives people an outlet for their interest in persuasive writing on subjects that its users are passionately interested in.

I think that's the best way to learn. It might be something worth sharing with older children as they try to grapple with related skills.

The question is how to passionately interest a child in something nowadays. Our culture seems to oppose passion about anything and I find the curious lack of ethusiasm in today's kids - even the good ones - unnerving and depressing.

Have you faced that problem and how do you personally deal with it?

D


31 posted on 08/03/2006 12:30:33 PM PDT by daviddennis
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To: daviddennis
Why not teach kids skills they really want to learn, and could get genuine use out of?

I've never understood why we should waste time on Shakespeare, for instance, when reading him requires that we acquire an entirely new vocabulary we will never use again for as long as we live.

How would kids know whether or not what they desire out of education is genuinely useful? There are undoubtedly some kids who think watching MTV is enough education for them.

True, Shakespeare may not have a contemporary application--especially with the way kids butcher plain English, using tools such as instant messaging and e-mail--but that doesn't mean that there isn't educational value in learning the social, political, and historical implications that Shakespeare's works had on modern literature.

I remember a class I took on database management in college. The professor told us, "I'm not going to teach you specific database packages such as FoxPro, Access (or whatever else was popular at the time). Instead, I'm going to teach you how datbases work in general, after which you'll be able to apply to any database package."

It was sage advice. Knowing only things that have "immediate payback" are fine, but not always transferable. Understanding the foundations of things, whether it be phonetics, algebra, logic or ancient history goes much further to creating a life-long learning experience.

32 posted on 08/03/2006 12:31:30 PM PDT by Lou L
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To: Tax-chick

My kids asked that question all the time. Come to think of it, so did I.

I always tried to give them answers because I, too, hate busy work and if I felt something in the curriculum was just that, I didn't make them do it.

The one example that comes to mind is when they were learning to write out numbers in words. When they wanted to know why they needed to know this, I showed them the next time I wrote out a check and told them this was a skill they'd be using the rest of their lives. That settled that. Other things haven't been so easy to deal with; it's taken more creativity.


33 posted on 08/03/2006 12:32:16 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tirian

what is REALLY shocking is that the ivory tower sees the solution as imposing MORE feminizing upon the boys.

They don't see the ivory tower as failing to teach.

Essentially they have outlawed via PC learning methods for boys.


34 posted on 08/03/2006 12:32:49 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: moog; wintertime

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35 posted on 08/03/2006 12:33:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tophat9000

No kidding, they'd have me on a Ritalin IV drip.


36 posted on 08/03/2006 12:34:40 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: pleikumud
People are not so dumb that they need socialized education, in my opinion

Socialized, no. A "standardized" level of competence in education, yes.

If you had a son or daughter in such a school, how would you determine whether or not you're getting your money's worth?

I'm just posing the question as to whom (or what body) would judge whether or not educational standards are being met, and to what degree.

Second, how would people with low incomes fare in such an environment? Would they be able to afford a "Kia" education, while their neighbors across the tracks can buy a "Lexus" education?

37 posted on 08/03/2006 12:37:12 PM PDT by Lou L
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To: neverdem

Articles like this only reinforce the parochial school wisdom of separating the sexes. Boys and girls have different educational needs and mixing them together at best makes for uneasy compromises. In the hands of an agenda-driven bureaucracy things get downright dysfunctional.


38 posted on 08/03/2006 12:41:13 PM PDT by AustinBill (consequence is what makes our choices real)
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To: metmom

LOL!

You just reminded me of a Geometry class waaaay back when.

The teacher showed the entire class this old disney film with the crazy duck professor. It was how geometry was all over our lives in the real world. (in buildig things, how to play pool etc.)

From that pont forward, geometry was seen as part of our immediate world.

I doubt teachers today would be competent enough to even handle that simple demonstration.



ps, yes it was a male teacher...


39 posted on 08/03/2006 12:41:24 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Lou L

Regarding Shakespeare and similar subjects, for us in the West, including non-Europeans living in Western democracies, each generation has the responsibility to impart the canon of Western Civilization to the next.


40 posted on 08/03/2006 12:42:39 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: Froufrou
I don't think demasculization is an issue.

I happen to think that emasculation is rampant in the public schools. At least at the grade school my son attended.
In first grade his teacher emplored me to have him tested for add.....I declined. There were a couple other issues we had to deal with.
Second grade he had a male teacher and I NEVER had to attend a special conference. He had no problems with my son. But the clincher was in the third grade. Almost EVERYDAY he had to sit out recess......his teacher told me he fidgets in his desk. I could go on about this teacher, but why? The damage has been done. The problems just kept coming. I kept telling myself things are gonna get better....but instead, they got worse.
Finally, last year when he started the ninth grade, things started spiralling downward at a fast rate. I said that's enough. Pulled him out of public school and got him enrolled online at a christian private school. I can't tell you what a difference it has made in my son. He's pleasant (most of the time) he's not perfect. But don't discount this article because I saw it coming many years ago. If I had it to do all over again, he would NEVER have attended public school at all.
41 posted on 08/03/2006 12:49:14 PM PDT by Not just another dumb blonde
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To: Aggie Mama; agrace; bboop; blu; cgk; Conservativehomeschoolmama; cyborg; cyclotic; dawn53; ...
My sincere apologies...

Sorry, I did it again. I pinged before reading the entire article.

My sincere apologies if anyone on this list was offended.

42 posted on 08/03/2006 12:50:01 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: neverdem
This article is spot on. Our son has mild hemophilia and the middle school here in Northern Virginia insisted on putting him on an Individual Education Program (IEP) which means, "Special Education". It was a totally demeaning experience and he pretty much stopped trying. My wife was fianlly, after going to the superintendent's office, get him back on a 504 Plan like we had in New Hampshire. The change in him was incredible.

Oh, by the way. Do you know that for each kid in special education, teachers get a bonus? They don't for a 504 Plan!

43 posted on 08/03/2006 12:50:35 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (ˇSalga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: longtermmemmory

I remember that video-- I saw it too, and it did make an impact. funny.


44 posted on 08/03/2006 12:51:25 PM PDT by I_like_good_things_too
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To: metmom

I'm not sure I buy this whole "boys constantly question authority and if they don't know the purpose of the assignment they won't do it" argument.

How do you explain the US military?

Not that I don't think schools have become feminized, I just think this is the wrong argument. Physical energy, application, logic. These are not emphasised, and THAT is the problem, IMHO.


45 posted on 08/03/2006 12:51:29 PM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: Froufrou
Think again. Go to the school and observe.

Modern public education has no place for boys.

46 posted on 08/03/2006 12:51:43 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (ˇSalga de los Estados Unidos de América, invasor!)
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To: Tirian
The most clear proof is this: 45% of students entering college are male (and dropping steadily).

That is because, outside the hard sciences, most college is a four year party with a heck of a tab. Most men would be must better severed at a trade school, and indeed that is the trend.

47 posted on 08/03/2006 12:52:35 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: AustinBill

Which just shows how the bureacracy is dedicated to the proposition of one size fits all.

Imagine if we taught children to walk the same way as public schools. If the child did not learn to walk by and arbitrary X months, they would be labeled a cripple and forced to use a wheelchair for the rest of their lives.


48 posted on 08/03/2006 12:52:36 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Lou L

"I just think that more accountability (and less political correctness) in public schools would do wonders for boosting the value of education received there."

I agree. But if they're going to deal with homosexuality now instead of just sexuality maybe private schools would be good [for keeping their minds off their bods.]


49 posted on 08/03/2006 12:53:05 PM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Liberty Valance
I think boys and girls should have seperate classrooms and casual uniforms should be required

I also think this would solve a lot of problems. Especially as public education is slanted heavily toward feminism and all it's nastiness.

50 posted on 08/03/2006 12:55:02 PM PDT by Gritty (Envy-avoidance is one of the most basic and primary motivators of human behavior -Dr. Jack Wheeler)
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