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Gout Forced Charles V Abdication, Study Finds
Scotsman ^ | 8-2-2006 | Gene Emery

Posted on 08/03/2006 3:33:43 PM PDT by blam

Gout forced Charles V abdication, study finds

By Gene Emery

BOSTON (Reuters) - Tests of a 500-year-old pinky finger confirm that Holy Roman Emperor Charles V was debilitated by gout and the painful joints it produces, Spanish researchers reported on Wednesday.

Jaume Ordi of the University of Barcelona and colleagues used a microscope to examine the tip of one of Charles' pinkie fingers, which was preserved separately from his body in a small red velvet box.

After rehydrating and slicing the mummified fingertip, the Ordi team found telltale signs of gout, including the buildup of uric acid crystals.

At the height of his 40-year reign from 1516 to 1556, Charles V controlled lands in Europe, Africa and Asia and even conquered parts of the Inca Kingdom of Peru and the Aztec Empire of Mexico.

"Despite this power, Charles V had to live within the limitations of very intense arthritic pain for most of his adult life and needed, for example, a special chair for transportation," the researchers wrote.

"His physical suffering influenced decisions that affected the future of many countries," they added.

"His physicians recommended that he follow a strict diet, but the emperor had a voracious appetite, especially for meat. He also liked to drink large quantities of beer and wine, and he even ordered a specially designed four-handled drinking mug."

The condition became so severe and distracting, it probably prompted him to put off military action against the French city of Metz, which prevented him from conquering it in 1552, according to historians. That failure, and possibly his illness, led him to abdicate to his brother, Ferdinand I, four years later.

"Charles V was only 58 years of age at his death, probably from malaria, in 1558, but he seemed an old and crippled man who could barely walk or use his hands," the researchers wrote.

Historically, gout has been regarded as a disease of the rich because the foods that increase the risk have usually only been available in quantity to the wealthy.

The concept of a Roman Empire was resurrected in the 17th century after the ancient Roman Empire had fallen centuries before.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 16thcentury; abdication; charles; charlesv; emperoropposedluther; finds; forced; godsgravesglyphs; gout; royals; study; v; worldhistory

1 posted on 08/03/2006 3:33:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

"Charles V was only 58 years of age at his death, probably from malaria..."

Malaria in England?

2 posted on 08/03/2006 3:35:15 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Wait a second! I'll be 58 in November! And I like beer, wine, and red meat (though I have no need of a four-handled tankard).

You mean.....? Me and Charles V? Geez, this is going to be one h--- of a crash!

And I never even got to rule Europe or threaten France.

Oh, well.........


3 posted on 08/03/2006 3:40:38 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: blam
Malaria in England?

Charles V ruled the Holy Roman Empire, which at the time covered parts of Europe where Malaria wouldn't be unheard of. Modern mosquito control has wiped out Europe's Malaria problem these days, but Italy in Charles V's time would have been a hotbed of Malaria-carrying mosquitos.

4 posted on 08/03/2006 3:40:53 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: blam


Gout? The Port Wine will do it every time.


5 posted on 08/03/2006 3:43:00 PM PDT by Paperdoll (.........Vote for McGavick!)
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To: blam
Malaria in England?

Charles V of Spain. And yes, malaria wasn't just tropical, before DDT.

6 posted on 08/03/2006 3:44:28 PM PDT by LexBaird ("Politically Correct" is the politically correct term for "F*cking Retarded". - Psycho Bunny)
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To: blam
Malaria in England?

Wrong Charles.

Charles V

7 posted on 08/03/2006 3:45:49 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: blam
The concept of a Roman Empire was resurrected in the 17th century after the ancient Roman Empire had fallen centuries before.

The Holy Roman Empire had been around a lot longer than that, at least since Charlemagne.

8 posted on 08/03/2006 3:48:19 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: okie01
"Wrong Charles. "

Yup. What was I thinking.

9 posted on 08/03/2006 3:50:20 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; mikrofon; martin_fierro; Cletus.D.Yokel; redgolum; kittymyrib; TonyRo76; PJ-Comix; ...
Charles V was debilitated by gout. . . .

Probably got it from the Diet of Worms.

< /lutheran pun >

10 posted on 08/03/2006 3:56:38 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (AKA "Charles H," Lutheran pastor/punster)
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To: LexBaird

"Shivering with the ague" in contemporary accounts usually referred to malaria.
Used to be here in US as well.


11 posted on 08/03/2006 3:57:52 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: blam
Confession. My first reaction was Charles...of Sweden.
12 posted on 08/03/2006 3:59:17 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Eaker
Gout ping!

His physicians recommended that he follow a strict diet, but the emperor had a voracious appetite, especially for meat. He also liked to drink large quantities of beer and wine, and he even ordered a specially designed four-handled drinking mug

13 posted on 08/03/2006 3:59:43 PM PDT by Flyer (Don't question the questioner)
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To: colorado tanker

True, and one of the easiest days in history to remember, December 25, 800.

Also, it irks me every time I see it reported that the Roman Empire fell in 476 (which this article alludes to). It fell in 1453, or if you really want to stretch it 1461.

That said, looks like I'll be a prime candidate for gout soon. I rarely drink alcohol, but more than make up for it in the meat department.


14 posted on 08/03/2006 4:15:26 PM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: elcid1970
Speaking as an occasional sufferer from gout, just eat LOTS of cherries. Somehow or other, a chemical in cherries dissolves the sodium urate that causes the problem.

Also, if you have an attack of gout, a great palliative (until you can see your doctor, of course) is 4 x 200 plain old generic ibuprofen t.i.d. NSAIDs work well against gout in many people (sadly, not all).

15 posted on 08/03/2006 4:17:41 PM PDT by SAJ (Strongly suggest buying Dec EC, JY, AD straddles, this week. Somethin's GONNA give.)
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To: Flyer; TheMom
Historically, gout has been regarded as a disease of the rich because the foods that increase the risk have usually only been available in quantity to the wealthy.

So if I show my gout a pay stub, bank statement or electric bill I will be cured?

; < )

16 posted on 08/03/2006 4:24:43 PM PDT by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - Travis McGee is my friend. “You’ll never need a gun, until you need it badly.”)
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus
LOL!

Indeed, if I'm not mistaken your tagline alludes to the fall of the Empire.

17 posted on 08/03/2006 4:27:24 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Paperdoll

"Gout? The Port Wine will do it every time."

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That's what I've read. Gout was especially prevalent in 18th century Europe because of the popularity of (lead laced) port wine among the elite.


18 posted on 08/03/2006 5:01:46 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: blam

I want one of those four handled mugs!


19 posted on 08/03/2006 5:15:04 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
Thanks Blam. Malaria was indeed a problem. Not sure, I think Cromwell also died of that (in England).

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20 posted on 08/03/2006 6:05:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Eaker
So if I show my gout a pay stub, bank statement or electric bill I will be cured?

Nope. I've suffered periodically from gout for over 35 years, starting when I had to struggle to pay my rent. Gout is hereditary and not many people get it. It comes from the inability of some metabolisms to eliminate uric acid from the blood as quickly as it forms. The excess is deposited as crystals in the joints, usually starting with the joint of the big toe. Gout attacks are INCREDIBLY painful!

If you're prone to gout you have to avoid purines in your diet. Purines come from certain meats, shellfish and some cereals. One of the worst attacks I've had was caused by eating too many cornflakes! Dieting can also elevate uric acid levels in the blood, so weight control is tricky. Medications like allopurinol help most people. The recommendation to eat cherries is a good one.

When I had my first painful attack the doctor put me on colchicine -- a deadly poison -- that has to be taken in very careful doses. It helps relieve the pain but if you take too much (as I did) you suffer from diarrhea or dry-heaving nausea -- or both. No more colchicine for me; I'll take the gout pain. Gout is something of a medical mystery and not all doctors know how to treat it.

21 posted on 08/03/2006 7:01:02 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: Eaker
"So if I show my gout a pay stub, bank statement or electric bill I will be cured?

; < )"

I'm afraid that by the standards of that day, you are rich! What could Charles V do on a hot day? Turn the thermostat down a bit? Sit in front of a computer in an air conditioned room and talk to FRiends across the entire world? Nope, not for all the tea in China, or all the gold in the New World...
22 posted on 08/03/2006 7:10:00 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: SAJ
Speaking as an occasional sufferer from gout, just eat LOTS of cherries. Somehow or other, a chemical in cherries dissolves the sodium urate that causes the problem.

I didn't know that, but considering I have occasiona gout, as well, and love cherries -- especially Ranier cherries -- that's excellent.

23 posted on 08/03/2006 7:24:21 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Charles Henrickson
Probably got it from the Diet of Worms.

Just thinking of that makes me want to say, "Eck!"

24 posted on 08/03/2006 7:25:29 PM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: elcid1970

hell, go ahead and threaten france, you can never tell, they might surrender


25 posted on 08/03/2006 7:34:54 PM PDT by my right
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To: Bernard Marx

Also stay away from Tuna-loaded with Purine. I take indomethacin when I get a flare up-knocks it right out. Agree with you on colchicine-rough stuff. Also drinking a lot of water helps-I only get flare ups when I let my self get dehydrated. Losing weight (about 50 lbs) helped me manage my attacks.


27 posted on 08/04/2006 4:47:11 AM PDT by mrmargaritaville
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To: Paperdoll

Are you familiar with gout complications and diet?


28 posted on 08/04/2006 4:54:41 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Charles Henrickson

LOL!


29 posted on 08/04/2006 5:50:19 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Lee'sGhost

>Are you familiar with gout complications and diet?<


I only know that if I drink any Port wine, my left leg deals me fits.


30 posted on 08/04/2006 10:09:25 AM PDT by Paperdoll (.........Vote for McGavick!)
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To: SAJ

"Speaking as an occasional sufferer from gout, just eat LOTS of cherries...plain old generic ibuprofen"

Ibuprofin didn't help my gout. Stuff I got from the doc cleared it right up, though. If it comes back, I'll try the cherries.

Do canned cherries work, or do they have to be fresh?


31 posted on 08/05/2006 9:00:36 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc
The time I found out about this, it was the dead of winter. No fresh cherries, so I tried canned ones. They worked well enough to let me get to sleep that night. Ate a whole 15 oz can (I think 15 oz). And another the next day.

Fresh are undoubtedly more effective, though, in my experience. None of that blasted corn syrup, either (g!).

Yah, I know ibuprofen doesn't help everyone. The stuff your doc gave you is killer, though (can't recall the name); supposed to work well for everybody. My **former** doc lectured me about it one day (that was his style -- bloody thought he was G-d, everything was a lecture).

32 posted on 08/05/2006 9:25:18 AM PDT by SAJ (Suggested buying Dec EC, JY, AD straddles -- too late now. Maybe after FOMC meets.)
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To: SAJ; dsc
All kinds of cherries seem to work but since they're seasonal we keep bags of the sun-dried kind on hand. In CA we get tasty ones at Trader Joe's - no preservatives or added sugar. They freeze well too.

I think the drug most commonly prescribed to stop gout attacks these days is indomethicin. It's called "super aspirin." Ibuprofen is often prescribed for joint inflammation too but it's bad for the liver.

33 posted on 08/05/2006 9:43:28 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: Bernard Marx
Yep. Soon as you said the name, the little light went on. Thanks.

Hmm. I should have thought about frozen (mutters at self). Good tip!

34 posted on 08/05/2006 9:48:22 AM PDT by SAJ (Suggested buying Dec EC, JY, AD straddles -- too late now. Maybe after FOMC meets.)
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To: Bernard Marx; SAJ

There are cherries all over Idaho just now. Maybe I'll freeze some just in case.


35 posted on 08/05/2006 10:15:40 AM PDT by dsc
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