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Report: Olmert favors German forces
Jerusalem Post ^ | August 4, 2006 | AP

Posted on 08/04/2006 7:39:05 AM PDT by bobsunshine

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said he would welcome German troops participating in an international force in southern Lebanon, according to a newspaper interview published Friday.

German officials have not ruled out contributing soldiers to a security force, but Chancellor Angela Merkel has said that "we as Germans should approach this region with the greatest caution."

Some have speculated over what would happen if German troops were forced into a position of conflict with Israeli soldiers, or if the weight of the Nazi-era past clouded the Germans' ability to make crucial split-second decisions.

Olmert said he told Merkel that Israel has "absolutely no problem with German soldiers in southern Lebanon."

"Why should German soldiers shoot at Israel? They would be part of the force protecting Israel," Olmert was quoted as saying in the interview with the daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

"There is at the moment no nation that is behaving in a more friendly way toward Israel than Germany," he added. "If Germany can contribute to the security of the Israeli people, that would be a worthwhile task for your country. I would be very happy if Germany participated."

Berlin has avoided direct criticism of the Jewish state since fighting broke out last month, repeatedly underscoring its right to self-defense, and has called for a cease-fire "as quickly as possible" rather than immediately.

Merkel insists that Germany cannot consider a contribution until a UN mandate is in place. She also has pointed to the fact the German military is already stretched, with troops deployed from the Balkans to Afghanistan.

Still, Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung - a member of her conservative Christian Democrats - has suggested that if all sides were to ask for a contribution, then Germany would have to oblige.

Germany has been calling on Syria - a key supporter of the Lebanon-based Hizbullah - to play a constructive part in defusing the crisis.

"If Germany wants to talk to Syria, no one is going to stop Germany doing that," Olmert was quoted as saying. "But I harbor doubts about Syria's intentions."

"If Syria really wanted to take on a positive role, the country would have many possibilities," he added. "It has rejected them all."


TOPICS: Extended News; Germany; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ceasefire; german; germantroops; israel; lebanon; wot
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1 posted on 08/04/2006 7:39:06 AM PDT by bobsunshine
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To: bobsunshine

So we are not the jew eating satans anymore, if they need some people to stand between hisbollah and them ?


2 posted on 08/04/2006 7:45:33 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: bobsunshine
Report: Olmert favors German forces

Talk about your irony...

3 posted on 08/04/2006 7:47:45 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Rummenigge
What a vile thing to say.

Israel has enjoyed cordial relations with Germany for almost 60 years and has always welcomed German tourists, students and businessmen.

It is precisely because Israel has such trust in Germany as an ally and friend that it is suggesting that German peacekeepers get involved in the reconstruction of Lebanon - probably because so many countries that supply large numbers of peacekeepers, like Nigeria and Pakistan, cannot be trusted to send fairminded personnel.

5 posted on 08/04/2006 7:56:00 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Made in USA

This is a small step the german people can take to make up for what their ancestors did 65 yrs ago.


6 posted on 08/04/2006 7:59:19 AM PDT by bubman
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To: Rummenigge

The German National Socialist Labor Party chapter of history taught the (sane part of) world that even otherwise normal, rational, cultured, and educated societies can be swept up into insanity given appropriate circumstances and criminal political leadership. I wouldn't take it too personally, quite the contrary, it's complimentary if you read between the lines.


7 posted on 08/04/2006 7:59:54 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Made in USA; theDentist

Being a WWII buff and having a father that saw extensive combat from the beginning to the end of the war, three of my weirdest experiences were

1. Hearing German accents from all the black hats during jump week in 1972.

2. Getting on a Luftwaffe plane in Germany with German paratroopers,when I was getting my German wings.

3. Touring a Japanese destroyer that was visiting San Diego.


8 posted on 08/04/2006 8:09:01 AM PDT by ansel12 (Life is exquisite... of great beauty, keenly felt.)
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To: bobsunshine

Germans are better than the French if you had to choose.


9 posted on 08/04/2006 8:09:29 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: bobsunshine

Fuhrer, Befiehl, Wir Folgen


10 posted on 08/04/2006 8:11:08 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: bobsunshine
Israel can't defend herself? I wonder what's wrong with Olmert's thinking. Israel has never relied on foreign forces to defend her from her enemies. This the logic of a political amateur unwilling to seek complete victory over Israel's enemies and reserving alone to Israel the right to defend herself. It is the answer of a hack politician without a clue as to what happens after the war is over.

(Go Israel, Go! Slap 'Em Down Hezbullies.)

11 posted on 08/04/2006 8:15:01 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: bubman

Funny that there's always more people around allowing you to make something good on them then people wanting to make something good on you.


12 posted on 08/04/2006 8:22:40 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: bubman

???

Theyve taken plenty of steps, small and big, including supplying all of Israels submarine fleet for almost free.


13 posted on 08/04/2006 8:36:29 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: goldstategop
Israel can't defend herself?

Well, sure, as has been shown, Israel can. They've simply learned from the past. The last occupation was very costly and they're smart not to want to try again. In any case, lasting peace requires the commitment of the Lebanese government and they may come more easily with German troops rather than Israeli.

14 posted on 08/04/2006 8:40:18 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: wideawake

I live in a town that has one of the biggest jewish communities in germany - and I am proud that we can live together and they like it here although we have a lot of shiites in this town either. We just finished celebrating the new synagogue.

So, no I am not against german military guarding the innocent people of haifa.

What I cannot stand are the people generously allowing us to make something good or demanding that we do something to deminish our guilt. There's been a lot of this "cash in the holocaust" talk.

Whenever there's military aid to israel involved some israeli smart a. turns up and allowes us to make something good because of the holocaust. Hard not to puke in this case.

I don't want to make something good for my grandfathers neighbour - and god knows I don't have to.

I want our society to protect those who love peace and freedom and apfelstrudel. No matter what believe they share.

If needs must and all that, then it shall be done with a G 36 if submarines and budgets for joined weapons research projects are not enough - like in this case.

Actually I get the impression we are running into a global overstretch regarding the WOT - and that means all of us.


15 posted on 08/04/2006 8:43:06 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Rummenigge
So we are not the jew eating satans anymore, if they need some people to stand between hisbollah and them ?

Well, you guys do still owe them.

And Munich didn't help things...

16 posted on 08/04/2006 8:43:42 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: bobsunshine

Why not, indeed? The West could use a few more active partners.


17 posted on 08/04/2006 8:44:41 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Rummenigge
Actually I get the impression we are running into a global overstretch regarding the WOT - and that means all of us.

Wow, if we're getting overstretched already, we might as well not fight, it's a long way from over, and why lose anymore of our fine military men is we're just going to quit. Maybe we can just defend America, and hell with the rest of the world? Y'all can just defend Germany, k?

18 posted on 08/04/2006 8:48:28 AM PDT by eyespysomething (How do I set a laser printer to stun?)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Seems to me that expanding military is a good way to reduce unemployment.


19 posted on 08/04/2006 8:48:35 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

What a DUMB AND SILLY LINE FOR THIS PICTURE OF ROMMEL! Rommel was NOT someone who blindly followed Hitler! In fact, he was forced to committ suicide because he was opposed to Hitler. Rommel refused to shoot allied POW, and he also had connections to the military resistance that lead to the (failed) assassination of Hitler on July 20th 1944. Every other General Field Marshall can be called a whatever, but not Rommel.


20 posted on 08/04/2006 8:49:35 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Diddle E. Squat

We owe them what we owe every nation that is an object of unjustified and criminal attacs. But nothing more.

Munich was a debacle. They send over some real anti terror experts and together with some training help from them and the SAS germany put up the GSG9.

You may fall - it's only embarrasing not to try to get up.


21 posted on 08/04/2006 8:50:09 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: ketelone
You cannot buy your way out of this burden.

What I meant was that this is a small step towards inner peace that the german people sorely need to reach in order to exercise the burden they alone carry for what they did to the jewish people.

If german blood is shed for jewish blood fighting the very enemy that is trying to 'wipe them off the face of the earth' then I can say the german people will have exercised the burden of history.

IMHO

22 posted on 08/04/2006 8:52:07 AM PDT by bubman
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To: bobsunshine
"There is at the moment no nation that is behaving in a more friendly way toward Israel than Germany,"

I know that he's trying to complement the Germans, but WTF about the USA's friendliness? Thanks for nothing, PUTZ!

Oh, and this is dripping with irony: Germans. With guns. Defending. Jews.

You know, I'm far too young to have experienced the Shoah/Holocaust, and I never lived overseas and had to live with endemic anti-Semitism - so I don't directly carry the scars that survivors like my wife's uncle do. Yet one of the strangest feelings I've ever had occurred when I went to visit a friend in the US Army in 1990 who was based in Germany (West Germany at the time). The feeling I had, as a Jew, coming down the steps of the plane and seeing a guy dressed almost the same as his WW2 predecessors, cradling a sub-machinegun in exactly the same manner, and speaking German, was...terrifying. My skin damned near crawled off of my body - it was like a Twilight Zone episode. And, again, I WASN'T THERE IN THE 1940'S!

Olmert should have some decency - don't let German soldiers into the area near Eretz Yisroel - because when they're on leave they'll come to Israel and some 80-year-old who lost their entire family will relive the experience the moment they see a tall, blond-haired, blue-eyed man speak in German - even if he's the most friendly and generous person on Earth. Spare these people that experience. Please!

23 posted on 08/04/2006 8:52:30 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: bubman
If german blood is shed for jewish blood fighting the very enemy that is trying to 'wipe them off the face of the earth' then I can say the german people will have exercised the burden of history.

I can't disagree with that, but please wait until the survivors of 1940's Europe are dead and gone - spare them re-living the experience.

24 posted on 08/04/2006 8:53:56 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: wideawake

I'm late to this thread, but I'll say it even if it's been said...Israel doesn't trust France. And rightly so! (Not knocking Germany...not at all)


25 posted on 08/04/2006 8:56:35 AM PDT by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: goldstategop

It is part of the being tired syndrome. It includes a willingness to contract out Israel's security even though it has been shown countless times not to work. If appeasement makes sense why wouldn't this?


26 posted on 08/04/2006 8:59:32 AM PDT by Honestfreedom
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To: eyespysomething

If I look at the noise the democrats are making in your country I doubt that you could send another 250 000 to let's say Syria or Iran at the moment without risking peace campaigners to win the next elections.

Imagine Cindys march on washington.
Plus your facing a recruiting problem.

But sending the army in there is maybe what's needed in the near future.

BTW the german army is still not transformed from cold war times to a more international organization. We can do battle by tanks in the northern german planes - but our delivery of Airbus 400Ms has not arrived yet. The units we transformed already rotate in and out of afghanistan, the horn of africa etc etc.

And don't tell me we should speed this up - because we already did. Please remember taht there were times when noone was too keen to see our soldiers outside germany - and they are not so long ago (can understand that, but not change it)


27 posted on 08/04/2006 9:00:03 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Michael81Dus

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend all the Rommel fans out there. You are correct about Rommel, of course. Hitler had a great distrust of the officer corps of the German army and carefully selected and promoted yes men, which one of his weakness as a leader. Rommel's success in France and Africa made him popular with the German public and something a public relations issue for the Nazis.


28 posted on 08/04/2006 9:00:20 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: Rummenigge

It was really more of a "Make a hyperbolic post, get a similar reply" response.


29 posted on 08/04/2006 9:02:02 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: bubman

Fair enough...

Something like how american troops died in the phillippines?


30 posted on 08/04/2006 9:02:08 AM PDT by ketelone
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To: Ancesthntr

I can understand the point you are making.


(No but...)


31 posted on 08/04/2006 9:04:40 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Rummenigge

I agree with you that it is hard, and our country has in ways grown soft and complacent, and blind to the dangers outside.

And I would hope the call could be put out for our young people to enlist, not be drafted. No one's ever asked them to. Many wouldn't but I bet a lot would.

But we cannot give up, we have to win this. And as clumsy as it seems sometimes, I'm glad we do have some allies in Europe. Thanks.


32 posted on 08/04/2006 9:06:21 AM PDT by eyespysomething (How do I set a laser printer to stun?)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

hyperbolic postings are the grain of salt in this board aren't they ;-)


(trying to be less foggy next time)


33 posted on 08/04/2006 9:08:22 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Rummenigge

The story of my country's life.


34 posted on 08/04/2006 9:13:20 AM PDT by MalikDelosReyes ("'Wise men' often wonder while strong men die.")
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To: bobsunshine

Bad idea, unless you want to tip Germany into the anti-Israel camp.

When the usual terrorism begins, Israel is going to get blamed.


35 posted on 08/04/2006 9:17:05 AM PDT by MalikDelosReyes ("'Wise men' often wonder while strong men die.")
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To: eyespysomething

It's good to be soft sometimes ... it certainly is appealing to have a rather open and trusting society - I wish to live that way.

As I said - needs must and all this... and as you said we have to win (I guess our peace and freedom once again)


36 posted on 08/04/2006 9:17:09 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Made in USA
Germans??? Wow, what a difference 65 years makes.

Or just 15 years. That's how long it's been since Desert Storm, when the idea of German troops so near Israel was nigh on unthinkable. IIRC, Germany had quite a small role in the coalition, and no actual combat role at all.

37 posted on 08/04/2006 9:18:19 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: ketelone

I don't see your point!


38 posted on 08/04/2006 9:18:53 AM PDT by bubman
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To: Rummenigge
Out of curiosity, how large is the German army? I mean, does it have the standing forces to effectively do this job? Most friends and relatives that have been in or stationed in Germany have had good things to say about the German personal they interacted with, but I am pretty ignorant as to the current strength.
39 posted on 08/04/2006 9:20:17 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: bobsunshine

I'd take anyone willing to shoot Hezbos.


40 posted on 08/04/2006 9:21:35 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: bubman

''You cannot buy your way out of this burden''

Who should have to buy his way out of this burden?
The current population of Germany? The people born after the war? They bear no personal guilt. Guilt is neither collective nor transferable to future generation. Maybe you should have a look at your own code of justice.I bet it is based on this principle. I believe, its about time some hardcore German basher in Anglo-countries start to comprehend this.
''..burden they alone carry ..''
I don't carry a burden, because I have not done anything. But as a German I feel a historical responsibility in the light of the atrocities committed by Nazi Germany. Often mentioned : Each German government so far has acknowledged this and acted accordingly. But in the long run, it is easy to predict: the more you try to put pressure on future generations of Germans with this subject the less you will get!


41 posted on 08/04/2006 9:36:21 AM PDT by skraut (Sauerkraut forever)
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To: Michael81Dus

Rommel was a brilliant commander and an honorable man. Too bad He had the worst boss!


42 posted on 08/04/2006 9:43:39 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Rummenigge; All

"What I cannot stand are the people generously allowing us to make something good or demanding that we do something to deminish our guilt. There's been a lot of this "cash in the holocaust" talk."

Ah yes, those Jews, they only think of money. How little things do change in your part of the world.

"Whenever there's military aid to israel involved some israeli smart a. turns up and allowes us to make something good because of the holocaust. Hard not to puke in this case.

I don't want to make something good for my grandfathers neighbour - and god knows I don't have to."

If you cannot feel guilty for any evil action, however vile, the German nation has committed in the past, then logically you have no right to be proud of anything Germany has achieved. You did not build the gas chambers or vote for Hilter. On the other hand, you also did not write that piece of music, build that car or camera or put that ball in the back of the net. If you do not feel guilt for the Holocaust, you have no right to feel anger or sadness for the victims at Dresden.

The reason why you must feel responsibilty for Germany's crimes is because if you don't somewhere down the line Germany will repeat the same mistakes. The Holocaust was not some historical aberration but was a result of something deeply flawed in German culture, something that was recognised by Heine long before the rise of the Nazis.

I have mixed feelings about accepting German money. Yes, no amount of money can possibly compensate for what Germany did - the theft of Jewish property, the destruction of an ancient culture, calculated genocide, the murder of 1.5 million children. However, the notion that Germany can buy a clean reputation by giving money to Jews is, in my opinion, really quite sickening.

I'm sorry, but I believe it was a huge mistake to have allowed Germany to have risen again after the war. I am angry beyond belief at those many naive Jews who believe they can ever be safe in Germany. I am utterly livid at Olmert who has screwed up the war effort from start to finish and is now bending his knee before the German nation with such ridiculous statements. And to be frank, I am completely chilled by your comments which are so reminiscent of statements by other Germans all those decades ago.


43 posted on 08/04/2006 9:45:46 AM PDT by Basel2005
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To: goldstategop
I wonder what's wrong with Olmert's thinking

My first thought too. No Israeli PM should ever think this way and the public wouldn't stand for such thinking.

I have contempt for Olmert but this is so over the line I'll choose to believe something was lost in the translation and he meant something different.

44 posted on 08/04/2006 9:46:01 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Rice: She can put US pressure on Israel and she plays the piano.)
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To: ffusco

"Rommel was a brilliant commander and an honorable man."

While he was fighting for Germany and prolonging the war, my people were being murdered by other Germans in gas chambers. That was the price my people paid for his brilliance.


45 posted on 08/04/2006 9:47:15 AM PDT by Basel2005
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To: Basel2005

I see. So Rommel is guilty of crimes against humanity simply for being a part of Germany's war machine.


46 posted on 08/04/2006 10:08:56 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: finnman69

The French will be there. They still believe they own Lebanon, and Haiti, and all their old colonies the they could not hold onto. France is colonialist, but also weak and delusional. It does not matter. Neither the current French nor German soldiers can solve the problem, neither the training or will to fight, they will just stand and watch as HezbAllah rearms.


47 posted on 08/04/2006 10:09:26 AM PDT by gafusa
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To: redgolum
Hmmm i had to have a look first...

so its 250 000 people in total (during cold war times we had nearly 500 000 people active)

We have a duty-to-serve for every young man in principle but you may bail for a civil service instead. (I guess it's a good thing every man has to serve his country for limited time) - but it's discussed every now and then to turn the bundeswehr into a just-professionals army as yours or the british.

It was the social democrats together with the largely pacifistic green party that ended the debate about whether or not the bundeswehr may be used outside germany and that was not longer ago then 1994.

(So you see our 'socialists and pacifists' couldn't shake off responsibility entirely when they where in charge)

Since these times we have special forces (KSK) but only around 1000 heads. The GSG9 troop that was set up after the munich debacle and that is specialized in anti terror tactics is no army unit but part of the german federal police. (They were send to iraq shortly after gorund troops where in baghdad - our social democrate chancelor of that days denied the detachment of german soldiers to iraq - so we had to send the police ;-)

read some more on wikipedia...
48 posted on 08/04/2006 10:10:17 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Alright. I´m a Rommel fan, because he fought bravely and fair although for an evil regime. And my Grandpa was in Rommel´s staff... thus my anger. Hope, I wasn´t too harsh.


49 posted on 08/04/2006 10:11:46 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Rummenigge

I don't know. Are you?


50 posted on 08/04/2006 10:49:34 AM PDT by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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