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10 Years for Harold Fish
The Payson Roundup ^ | 4 August, 2006 | Max Foster

Posted on 08/04/2006 8:32:31 PM PDT by marktwain

10 years for Harold Fish Fish calls sentence 'terrible miscarriage of justice'

By Max Foster, Roundup staff reporter

Friday, August 4, 2006

Harold Fish will spend the next 10 years of his life in prison unless the Arizona Supreme Court decides a new state law more sympathetic to self-defense applies to his case.

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Harold Fish was convicted of second-degree murder in June.

Fish, a 59-year-old retired schoolteacher and father of seven, received the mitigated minimum sentence for second-degree murder yesterday in Coconino County Superior Court in Flagstaff.

For Fish to receive a new trial, the Supreme Court must rule that a new

law signed last April by Gov. Janet Napolitano should be retroactive to May 2004 when Fish shot 43-year-old Grant Kuenzli to death at a trailhead north of Strawberry.

Coconino County Superior Court Judge Mark Moran ruled before Fish's trial began that the new law did not apply to the fatal shooting of Grant Kuenzli.

The Supreme Court will decide Sept. 26 if the new state law, which shifts the burden to the state to prove the use of deadly force in self-defense isn't justified, applies to the Kuenzli shooting.

Fish was convicted of second-degree murder in June.

In sentencing Fish, Moran gave him the minimum sentence allowed by law but denied a motion, known as a 603 L, that would have allowed Fish's attorneys to appeal his case to the Arizona State Board of Executive Clemency.

Moran said that in order to allow the appeal to the board of clemency he would need to rule that the length of the sentence was "clearly excessive" and he could not do that.

In handing out the minimum sentence -- state law mandates 10 to 22 years for second-degree murder-- Moran ruled there were several mitigating factors in the case including the fact that Fish was under substantial duress and feared for his own safety.

"I believed you reacted out of fear," Moran said.

The judge also noted that Fish had no criminal history, had been a successful public schoolteacher for 28 years, cooperated with authorities and had strong family, church and community ties.

He called the case one "that gives new meaning to the word ‘tragedy' for both families."

The sentencing of Fish, in front of a courtroom of his friends, family and Kuenzli's sister, Linda Almeter, allowed the former Tolleson High School teacher the opportunity to vividly and emotionally tell for the first time in public what happened on the trailhead the day he shot Kuenzli three times in the chest.

Fish did not take the stand during his trial.

Dressed in prison garb, handcuffed in leg shackles and looking gaunt from his days in jail, Fish -- during a 30-minute speech -- vigorously defended himself.

"I don't think the trial was fair," he said. "I feel that I am innocent and I should not have been convicted.

"If the jury had been given all of the facts, they would not have convicted me."

Fish was speaking of a ruling Moran had made early in the trial that Kuenzli's mental health records, statements from dozens of people describing troubling encounters with him and testimony from a former girlfriend -- who alleged Kuenzli terrorized her -- were not admissible.

Fish also said the guilty verdict was a "terrible miscarriage of justice."

"I told the truth (to investigators)," he said. "My word is precious to me."

Fish claimed the shooting was in self-defense and "there was no doubt in my mind (Kuenzli) was going to kill me."

The shooting took place moments after two dogs under Kuenzli's care charged Fish after he was wrapping up a late-afternoon hike.

Fish said he yelled for the dogs to stop, yelled for Kuenzli to control his dogs, but Kuenzli continued to run towards him yelling obscenities and threats.

"I never took a step toward him, I stepped back until I knew I could not retreat any further," Fish said. "(Kuenzli) never stopped or slowed. His arms were flailing."

There were no witnesses to the shooting which has drawn national attention partly because the National Rifle Association has contributed to Fish's defense fund.

After the trial, jurors said they didn't believe Fish's claim of self-defense, mostly because testimony from a medical examiner indicated Kuenzli's wounds were probably defensive.

He testified that Kuenzli's side was turned towards Fish when the first shot struck him.

NBC's "Dateline" has also followed the case for a future episode which examines the issues of safety in the national forests, dogs running free and the appropriate use of firearms.

-- To reach Max Foster call 474-5251 ext. 114 or e-mail mfoster@payson.com.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; banglist; firearm; fish; gun; judiciary; justice; selfdefense
The first investigator on the scene said that it was a clear case of self defense. The prosecutor did not accept that, and pushed for Fish to go to jail. He used unacceptable methods to influence the Grand Jury to indict, and the indictment was thrown out. In Arizona, a Grand Jury is not required, so he prosecuted without one. All this occured under the 1994 change that was snuck into Arizona law, where the person charged has to prove that it was self defense, not the State prove that it wasn't. That change was finally reversed this year, back to the way it was prior to 1994 and the way it is in 48 other states, as I recall.

But Harold Fish has paid the price for a politically motivated antigun prosecutor (he wanted the jury to know that part of the defense was paid for by the NRA - as part of the prosecution!)

1 posted on 08/04/2006 8:32:33 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Northrn Arizona BUMP


2 posted on 08/04/2006 8:42:20 PM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: marktwain

One of the most deeply troubling aspects of our legal system is the role of the government prosecutor. In every case of which I have personal knowledge the prosecutor has assumed the guilt of the charged party. The power and resources of the government are such that an assumption of guilt by a government prosecutor is tantamount to a finding of guilt.
The cost and the difficulty of proving innocence are beyond the means of nearly every citizen charged with a crime. The simply and awful truth is that in our system guilt is always assumed and innocence must be proven.
Government prosecutors are judge, jury and executioner in virtually all cases that come into our court system. This is not a system based on justice. It is a bureaucratic system that rewards conviction over justice and seeks guilt over innocence.


3 posted on 08/04/2006 8:47:58 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

Kind of reminds me of Durham County (NC) Prosecutor Nifong. Another case that should never have been prosecuted but was for purely political reasons.


4 posted on 08/04/2006 8:54:09 PM PDT by srmorton (Choose Life!)
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To: marktwain
There is a warm place in hell reserved for this overly zealous, politically motivated prosecutor. Unfortunately, under our criminal justice system, those who abuse their oath of office can not be prosecuted.
5 posted on 08/04/2006 8:55:06 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: marktwain

This stinks. The prosecutor is the one who should be doing time and 10 years sounds resonable to me. As pointed out elsewhere all judges are moral bankrupts as they must agree to lie to the detriment of a fellow citizen so until the rules change one cannot expect much of scum.


6 posted on 08/04/2006 8:56:08 PM PDT by Medicine Warrior (There are a thousand hacking at the branches of Evil, to one who is striking at the root)
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To: marktwain

It seems to me that the issue of applying the new law should have been appealed to the supreme court before Fish's trial went forward. It makes no sense to re-try someone over an issue that could have been decided before trial.

Fish should be eligible to apply for pardon from the Clemency Board. The Arizona legislature could step in as well, although it would probably open a can of worms.

Sounds like Fish made quite a speech. Perhaps he should have taken the stand.


7 posted on 08/04/2006 8:58:54 PM PDT by KingKenrod
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To: vox humana
There is a warm place in hell reserved for this overly zealous, politically motivated prosecutor. Unfortunately, under our criminal justice system, those who abuse their oath of office can not be prosecuted.

He'll probably be sitting around the fire with another overly zealous, politically motivated prosecutor from North Carolina that has been in the news.

8 posted on 08/04/2006 9:03:38 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: marktwain
Moran ruled there were several mitigating factors in the case including the fact that Fish was under substantial duress and feared for his own safety.

Uh, that would be self defense, Judge Moron.

9 posted on 08/04/2006 9:14:31 PM PDT by magslinger (Without Freedom, Utopia isn't paradise after all. It's just hell in a fancy prom dress. Steven James)
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To: marktwain

There are so many bizarre irregularities surrounding this case that any number of appeals should be made.

Flagstaff, AZ is a city of moonbats anyway and any jury pool is bound to reflect this.


10 posted on 08/04/2006 9:22:12 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: marktwain
What's in a name?

Judge Moron

Main Entry: mo·ron
Function: noun
1. usually offensive, a mildly mentally retarded person
2. a very stupid person

11 posted on 08/04/2006 9:33:15 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: marktwain

If this guy had just walked away after the shooting, he'd probably never have been caught.


12 posted on 08/04/2006 9:42:42 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: uglybiker

I live alone, am 54, a paraplegic, and live next door to a nest of methheads. I have my carry permit and have a gun velcroed to the nightstand. In a case of self-defense I would welcome a jury trial. That's life in Kingman AZ....the meth & mullet capital of the SW.


13 posted on 08/04/2006 10:02:11 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

"Flagstaff, AZ is a city of moonbats anyway and any jury pool is bound to reflect this."


Hmmmmm......a tossup between there and Prescott for AZ Moonbat Central in my view.


14 posted on 08/04/2006 10:04:16 PM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Bogtrotter52; NaughtiusMaximus

Y'all really ought to visit Bisbee...the city that's stuck in the sixties.


15 posted on 08/04/2006 10:20:45 PM PDT by HiJinx (Have you hugged a soldier today? Try it, you'll like it!)
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To: HiJinx; Bogtrotter52

Moved to Flagstaff in '79. Used to be a pretty cool little town. Now, it's like a one cloverleaf mini version of San Francisco but with lousy restaurants. They could save money on signage by taking the "l" out of the town's name.

(I live kind of out in the woods and try to ignore the place as much as I can.)

I understand Bisbee is a hippie reservation. Flagstaff is like a Trustafarian Mecca. (If you're too poor for Telluride or Vail.)


16 posted on 08/04/2006 10:59:48 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: marktwain

Just realized by reading the article that this was my husband's old Spanish teacher.


17 posted on 08/04/2006 11:06:16 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

I guess we actually have several towns that fit that bill. I'm going to have to go look at another article, because I could swear my local paper said something about 2 years prison vs. 10...


18 posted on 08/04/2006 11:14:40 PM PDT by HiJinx (Have you hugged a soldier today? Try it, you'll like it!)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus; Bogtrotter52

This case reminds me of a lot of what I've read by Massad Ayoob, an expert witness in cases like this. Apparently a lot of people think they can just blow the bad guys away and get a pat on the back (I'm not saying Fish although it could be applied to some of the posters on FR) just like in the movies, when the reality is a charge of murder and a six figure defence, and that's when you did EVERYTHING RIGHT.

BTW (I'm English)

"Flagstaff, AZ is a city of moonbats anyway and any jury pool is bound to reflect this."

I thought Arizona was full of good 'ol boys in checked shirts and baseball caps?


19 posted on 08/04/2006 11:32:31 PM PDT by Mac1
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To: marktwain
He testified that Kuenzli's side was turned towards Fish when the first shot struck him.

1. He swung, and was shot as the swing missed, and he spun on follow through?

2. He was standing sideways, and performing a martial arts attack?

3. Fish jumped or otherwise moved away from a blow & shot, hitting him in the side?

I'm sure a few other scenarios could be constructed for the guy to be attacking, and still be hit in the side.

Don't these constitute reasonable doubt as to the theory the guy was "no threat" and was shot from the side in a fit of pique? Stupid jury!

20 posted on 08/05/2006 12:02:42 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus
mini version of San Francisco but with lousy restaurants.

Amen to that! Got stuck there for the night some years ago, and couldn't get breakfast; none of the local places were open on Sunday morning, and the Denny's was closed for maintenance & repair. Truck stop coffee, and then we finally got to eat at Gallup.

21 posted on 08/05/2006 12:12:08 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

LOL! - I remember those days! Used to work way out on the Navajo Rez. If you needed car parts you had to make it into Flagstaff by noon on Saturday. Everything closed up tight as a tic.

It's different now but lousy for new reasons.


22 posted on 08/05/2006 12:29:29 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: Mac1

First: Arizona was filled with good ol' boys about 40 years ago. Since then we've had an invasion of retired Easterners and white flight from California, all of whom bring their own notions of what the government should provide as well as a contradictory wish for lower taxes.

Second, Mr. Fish's "victim" was escorted by two aggressive unleashed Rottweilers, was carrying a large staff, and had a local reputation for bullying, threatening and assaulting people. Although there were no other witnesses, very few people who knew the victim doubted that he thoroughly deserved shooting. (The bulk of this information was, by technicalities, withheld from the jury.)

You have one good point though: Don't base your behavior (or expectations) on stuff you see in the movies.


23 posted on 08/05/2006 12:42:04 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: Mac1

"I thought Arizona was full of good 'ol boys in checked shirts and baseball caps?"

Nooooooooo.......type of population in various locales in AZ is determined by property costs and employment opportunities. Here in Kingman (NW AZ) wages are low, lots of service area jobs. This results in a large percentage of 10th or 12th grade limit educated workers, mostly redneck or "Joe Dirt" types.....Real mouthbreathers. But with the rise of housing costs around here and the increase of retired people moving in for the climate, the medical facilities are increasing in size and number, as is the education level and wages of those employees. So the demographics is/am/are changing.


24 posted on 08/05/2006 8:49:00 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

"I understand Bisbee is a hippie reservation."

Hippies and a main crossing area for illegals from what I hear.


25 posted on 08/05/2006 8:51:12 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: HiJinx

"Y'all really ought to visit Bisbee...the city that's stuck in the sixties."

Thanks. Have not been there since the early 90's. I should go there again and take more pictures of the HUGE hole in the ground. Can stock up on wind chimes, dream catchers, and hand thrown pottery mugs too. LOL Can you get a good tofu burger there?


26 posted on 08/05/2006 8:56:55 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: Bogtrotter52

Thanks. Quite interesting. Am hoping to take a trip to the states. Gonna have to figure out where to even start.


27 posted on 08/05/2006 9:44:54 AM PDT by Mac1
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To: Mac1
Kingmans main claim to fame tourist-wise is that it is on Route 66. It is the MAIN tourist attraction. Lots of old cars and people wanting to drive the road. No good restaurants here though. Second claim to fame is that it is the hometown of Andy Devine (google it if you don't recognize his name). Also it is a mere 28 miles to Laughlin NV on the Colorado River. Casinos that are just as good as Vegas, lots cheaper and not even half as crowded. The casinos in Laughlin will even comp your room for 2 or 3 days in the middle of the week.
28 posted on 08/05/2006 9:54:21 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: marktwain

Harold Fish killed a man in cold blood who was unarmed. He used hollow bullets and shot him three times in the chest. he was convicted for second degree murder to ten years but should have been convicted for first degree murder and convicted to 22 years or the death penalty.
He was self rightous, never apologized and is a killer. Nobody wants a man like that teaching our children. He should have received a fair trial in which he would have been found guilty murdering an unarmed man with hollow bullets. Why would anybody want to defend a killer?


29 posted on 06/14/2007 9:56:11 AM PDT by dorothythompson
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To: dorothythompson

Welcome to Free Republic.

Why bump a 1+year old story? Has there been any change in Mr. Fish’s situation?


30 posted on 06/14/2007 10:00:30 AM PDT by RabidBartender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kerMm0HG1mk)
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To: RabidBartender

Today I got an item in the mail, asking for money for helping with his legal fees. Incidentally, it contained a very similar line which was in a Justin Sharratt letter, also from washington DC, which I received.

“Nobody ever expects to write a letter like this...”

My regards for all the victims and all, but I’m suspecting that there are some scammers out there who take a real story that will gain pity, and then ask for money — for themselves, not the victims.

Does anyone know why all these families wanting money to help their innocent relatives always want the money sent back to some nameless PO box in Washington DC? And both PO boxes had the same zip code, and the POBox number was 96653 and the other was 96600! That’S Gotta be in the same post office.

Ohwell, such is life.

-Jesse


31 posted on 04/04/2008 11:06:37 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause to live for!)
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To: dorothythompson
Harold Fish killed a man in cold blood who was unarmed. He used hollow bullets and shot him three times in the chest. he was convicted for second degree murder to ten years but should have been convicted for first degree murder and convicted to 22 years or the death penalty. He was self rightous, never apologized and is a killer. Nobody wants a man like that teaching our children. He should have received a fair trial in which he would have been found guilty murdering an unarmed man with hollow bullets. Why would anybody want to defend a killer?

Well, assuming that his reason for carrying the gun was for self defense against wild animals, then a hollowpoint 10mm was probably a perfect choice.

For your information, not all trials are carried out in a just fashion. Fish wasn't proven guilty, he was found guilty by a jury, which allegedly, was deprived of some evidence. Now I don't know anyone related to the case, but thought a little reason might be helpful.

-Jesse

32 posted on 04/04/2008 11:13:18 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause to live for!)
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To: vox humana
I agree vox, I wish I had nothing but spare time to dedicate to freeing Mr. Fish. He did nothing wrong. Why are we expected to cower and submit to physical violence in America? I fully understand the concept of reasonable force and the parameters involved in the use of deadly force. Fish had no responsibility to retreat. He not an MMA fighter, he is a retired school teacher - every indication is that he was attacked in just the manner described. Yet, he is convicted for murder, for defending his life from an unprovoked attack. This prosecutor is a disgusting, revolting, and despicable excuse a human being. He is a criminal, the States case and the manner of its prosecution is a crime. The fact that Fish was charged is malicious.
33 posted on 12/14/2008 3:15:33 PM PST by daves_daily
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To: mrjesse
Was there some indication that Mr. Fish was carrying his pistol to defend against animal attack? I think Harold Fish was carrying his handgun for self-defense in a completely lawful manner, consistent in every way with the laws of Arizona in this regard. Hollow point bullet are used by the police as well, by virtually everyone and every agency concerned with the proper use of firearms in self-defense.

Fully jacked bullets over penetrate and they ricochet - they are the most dangerous type of ammunition legally sold in the U.S. for these reasons. Hollow point ammunition is made for self-defense, that is the purpose, not to bounce around and fly through a nearby baby carriage... To defend your life and contain and constrain the projectile to that purpose.

There was nothing cold about the blood in Mr. Fish at the time of the shooting, he feared for his life, he was under attack by uncontrolled dogs, which he did not shoot, and an enraged top predator. Humans are at the top of that list. We are the dangerous animal.

The attacker had a screwdriver in his back pocket, he was not unarmed. He had no time to consider options, to back up and brandish his weapon and make a halt command - it was kill or be killed: that is what went through his mind, no cold blooded murder.

Harold Fish flagged down a passing motorist to get medical assistance on the scene. He is a model citizen. The fact that this man is in jail is repugnant to the very foundation of civilization, liberty and freedom. You do not have a right to beat another human being because he or she fired a warning shot at your aggressive dogs.

34 posted on 12/14/2008 3:34:38 PM PST by daves_daily
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To: daves_daily
Was there some indication that Mr. Fish was carrying his pistol to defend against animal attack? I think Harold Fish was carrying his handgun for self-defense in a completely lawful manner, consistent in every way with the laws of Arizona in this regard. Hollow point bullet are used by the police as well, by virtually everyone and every agency concerned with the proper use of firearms in self-defense.

daves_daily,

No disagreement from me! I was just countering some strongly slanted statements that were against Mr. Fish. I was saying basically the same thing you are -- that Mr. Fish had the perfect and correct equipment for self defense -- including for cases where he's out in the woods. I too think he should not have been convicted and that the jury should have heard all of the evidence.

-Jesse
35 posted on 12/18/2008 12:07:49 AM PST by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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