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10 Years for Harold Fish
The Payson Roundup ^ | 4 August, 2006 | Max Foster

Posted on 08/04/2006 8:32:31 PM PDT by marktwain

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To: NaughtiusMaximus
mini version of San Francisco but with lousy restaurants.

Amen to that! Got stuck there for the night some years ago, and couldn't get breakfast; none of the local places were open on Sunday morning, and the Denny's was closed for maintenance & repair. Truck stop coffee, and then we finally got to eat at Gallup.

21 posted on 08/05/2006 12:12:08 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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LOL! - I remember those days! Used to work way out on the Navajo Rez. If you needed car parts you had to make it into Flagstaff by noon on Saturday. Everything closed up tight as a tic.

It's different now but lousy for new reasons.


22 posted on 08/05/2006 12:29:29 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: Mac1

First: Arizona was filled with good ol' boys about 40 years ago. Since then we've had an invasion of retired Easterners and white flight from California, all of whom bring their own notions of what the government should provide as well as a contradictory wish for lower taxes.

Second, Mr. Fish's "victim" was escorted by two aggressive unleashed Rottweilers, was carrying a large staff, and had a local reputation for bullying, threatening and assaulting people. Although there were no other witnesses, very few people who knew the victim doubted that he thoroughly deserved shooting. (The bulk of this information was, by technicalities, withheld from the jury.)

You have one good point though: Don't base your behavior (or expectations) on stuff you see in the movies.


23 posted on 08/05/2006 12:42:04 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (WARNING: Alcohol may cause you to think you are whispering when you are definitely not.)
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To: Mac1

"I thought Arizona was full of good 'ol boys in checked shirts and baseball caps?"

Nooooooooo.......type of population in various locales in AZ is determined by property costs and employment opportunities. Here in Kingman (NW AZ) wages are low, lots of service area jobs. This results in a large percentage of 10th or 12th grade limit educated workers, mostly redneck or "Joe Dirt" types.....Real mouthbreathers. But with the rise of housing costs around here and the increase of retired people moving in for the climate, the medical facilities are increasing in size and number, as is the education level and wages of those employees. So the demographics is/am/are changing.


24 posted on 08/05/2006 8:49:00 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

"I understand Bisbee is a hippie reservation."

Hippies and a main crossing area for illegals from what I hear.


25 posted on 08/05/2006 8:51:12 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: HiJinx

"Y'all really ought to visit Bisbee...the city that's stuck in the sixties."

Thanks. Have not been there since the early 90's. I should go there again and take more pictures of the HUGE hole in the ground. Can stock up on wind chimes, dream catchers, and hand thrown pottery mugs too. LOL Can you get a good tofu burger there?


26 posted on 08/05/2006 8:56:55 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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Thanks. Quite interesting. Am hoping to take a trip to the states. Gonna have to figure out where to even start.


27 posted on 08/05/2006 9:44:54 AM PDT by Mac1
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Kingmans main claim to fame tourist-wise is that it is on Route 66. It is the MAIN tourist attraction. Lots of old cars and people wanting to drive the road. No good restaurants here though. Second claim to fame is that it is the hometown of Andy Devine (google it if you don't recognize his name). Also it is a mere 28 miles to Laughlin NV on the Colorado River. Casinos that are just as good as Vegas, lots cheaper and not even half as crowded. The casinos in Laughlin will even comp your room for 2 or 3 days in the middle of the week.
28 posted on 08/05/2006 9:54:21 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: marktwain

Harold Fish killed a man in cold blood who was unarmed. He used hollow bullets and shot him three times in the chest. he was convicted for second degree murder to ten years but should have been convicted for first degree murder and convicted to 22 years or the death penalty.
He was self rightous, never apologized and is a killer. Nobody wants a man like that teaching our children. He should have received a fair trial in which he would have been found guilty murdering an unarmed man with hollow bullets. Why would anybody want to defend a killer?


29 posted on 06/14/2007 9:56:11 AM PDT by dorothythompson
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Welcome to Free Republic.

Why bump a 1+year old story? Has there been any change in Mr. Fish’s situation?


30 posted on 06/14/2007 10:00:30 AM PDT by RabidBartender (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kerMm0HG1mk)
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Today I got an item in the mail, asking for money for helping with his legal fees. Incidentally, it contained a very similar line which was in a Justin Sharratt letter, also from washington DC, which I received.

“Nobody ever expects to write a letter like this...”

My regards for all the victims and all, but I’m suspecting that there are some scammers out there who take a real story that will gain pity, and then ask for money — for themselves, not the victims.

Does anyone know why all these families wanting money to help their innocent relatives always want the money sent back to some nameless PO box in Washington DC? And both PO boxes had the same zip code, and the POBox number was 96653 and the other was 96600! That’S Gotta be in the same post office.

Ohwell, such is life.

-Jesse


31 posted on 04/04/2008 11:06:37 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause to live for!)
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To: dorothythompson
Harold Fish killed a man in cold blood who was unarmed. He used hollow bullets and shot him three times in the chest. he was convicted for second degree murder to ten years but should have been convicted for first degree murder and convicted to 22 years or the death penalty. He was self rightous, never apologized and is a killer. Nobody wants a man like that teaching our children. He should have received a fair trial in which he would have been found guilty murdering an unarmed man with hollow bullets. Why would anybody want to defend a killer?

Well, assuming that his reason for carrying the gun was for self defense against wild animals, then a hollowpoint 10mm was probably a perfect choice.

For your information, not all trials are carried out in a just fashion. Fish wasn't proven guilty, he was found guilty by a jury, which allegedly, was deprived of some evidence. Now I don't know anyone related to the case, but thought a little reason might be helpful.

-Jesse

32 posted on 04/04/2008 11:13:18 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause to live for!)
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To: vox humana
I agree vox, I wish I had nothing but spare time to dedicate to freeing Mr. Fish. He did nothing wrong. Why are we expected to cower and submit to physical violence in America? I fully understand the concept of reasonable force and the parameters involved in the use of deadly force. Fish had no responsibility to retreat. He not an MMA fighter, he is a retired school teacher - every indication is that he was attacked in just the manner described. Yet, he is convicted for murder, for defending his life from an unprovoked attack. This prosecutor is a disgusting, revolting, and despicable excuse a human being. He is a criminal, the States case and the manner of its prosecution is a crime. The fact that Fish was charged is malicious.
33 posted on 12/14/2008 3:15:33 PM PST by daves_daily
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Was there some indication that Mr. Fish was carrying his pistol to defend against animal attack? I think Harold Fish was carrying his handgun for self-defense in a completely lawful manner, consistent in every way with the laws of Arizona in this regard. Hollow point bullet are used by the police as well, by virtually everyone and every agency concerned with the proper use of firearms in self-defense.

Fully jacked bullets over penetrate and they ricochet - they are the most dangerous type of ammunition legally sold in the U.S. for these reasons. Hollow point ammunition is made for self-defense, that is the purpose, not to bounce around and fly through a nearby baby carriage... To defend your life and contain and constrain the projectile to that purpose.

There was nothing cold about the blood in Mr. Fish at the time of the shooting, he feared for his life, he was under attack by uncontrolled dogs, which he did not shoot, and an enraged top predator. Humans are at the top of that list. We are the dangerous animal.

The attacker had a screwdriver in his back pocket, he was not unarmed. He had no time to consider options, to back up and brandish his weapon and make a halt command - it was kill or be killed: that is what went through his mind, no cold blooded murder.

Harold Fish flagged down a passing motorist to get medical assistance on the scene. He is a model citizen. The fact that this man is in jail is repugnant to the very foundation of civilization, liberty and freedom. You do not have a right to beat another human being because he or she fired a warning shot at your aggressive dogs.

34 posted on 12/14/2008 3:34:38 PM PST by daves_daily
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Was there some indication that Mr. Fish was carrying his pistol to defend against animal attack? I think Harold Fish was carrying his handgun for self-defense in a completely lawful manner, consistent in every way with the laws of Arizona in this regard. Hollow point bullet are used by the police as well, by virtually everyone and every agency concerned with the proper use of firearms in self-defense.

daves_daily,

No disagreement from me! I was just countering some strongly slanted statements that were against Mr. Fish. I was saying basically the same thing you are -- that Mr. Fish had the perfect and correct equipment for self defense -- including for cases where he's out in the woods. I too think he should not have been convicted and that the jury should have heard all of the evidence.

-Jesse
35 posted on 12/18/2008 12:07:49 AM PST by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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