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More Pieces Of Hidden Bog Book Found (Psalms)
Irish Times ^ | 8-5-2006 | Sean Mac Connell

Posted on 08/05/2006 12:19:38 PM PDT by blam

More pieces of hidden bog book found

More fragments of an ancient manuscript concealed in a Co Tipperary bog over 1,000 years ago with a view to later recovery, have been found by the National Museum of Ireland, writes Seán Mac Connell

The discoveries also include a fine leather pouch in which the manuscript was originally kept.

Museum experts have excavated the site at Faddan More, in north Tipperary, since the discovery of the manuscript last month by excavator driver Eddie Fogarty.

He found the book on July 20th while digging peat on a bog owned by brothers Kevin and Patrick Leonard, according to a statement issued by the museum last night.

It said archaeologists and conservators had completed excavation of the area where the ancient manuscript was found. It described the find as "an extremely significant discovery".

"The site was excavated over seven days by archaeologists and conservators from the National Museum of Ireland.

"Part of a fine leather pouch in which the book was kept originally was recovered as well as other small fragments of the manuscript and its cover. The investigation results suggest the owner concealed the book deliberately, perhaps with a view to its later recovery," the statement noted.

"All the excavated material is now being conserved and analysed in the National Museum of Ireland and samples of the peat surrounding the find spot have been sent for specialist analysis," it said.

The area around Faddan More bog is rich in medieval history. Of particular relevance are important monastic foundations such as Lorrha and Terryglass in Co Tipperary and Birr and Seirkieran in Co Offaly, which are located nearby.

A leather satchel was found in the same bog six years ago and has been radiocarbon dated to between the 7th and 9th centuries AD.

© The Irish Times


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1 posted on 08/05/2006 12:19:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

Bog Bodies Were Society's Elite

2 posted on 08/05/2006 12:22:24 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Just make sure you read this ahticle with an Irish brogue accent in your mind, don' you know.


3 posted on 08/05/2006 12:24:13 PM PDT by kcmt01
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To: I still care
Original posting:

Ancient Book Of Psalms Found In Ireland Bog

4 posted on 08/05/2006 12:25:24 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Why don't we ever hear of bogs and/or peat in North America?


5 posted on 08/05/2006 12:25:31 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded
"Why don't we ever hear of bogs and/or peat in North America?"

Alaska has lots of them, but most are frozen in permafrost. Around here, peat is called "muskeg." Some of the bogs are quite deep. My sister and I were stuck in muskeg when we were quite small, and had to be rescued.

6 posted on 08/05/2006 12:29:33 PM PDT by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain)
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To: wideminded

Peat's too busy picking a peck of pickled peppers.


7 posted on 08/05/2006 12:33:26 PM PDT by chemicalman (Doing my part to maintain global warming.)
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To: wideminded
Why don't we ever hear of bogs and/or peat in North America?

We call them swamps or marshlands/grass and moss.

8 posted on 08/05/2006 12:35:11 PM PDT by jla
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To: wideminded
...and we've been heating our homes with natural gas or electricity whilst many Irish still burned 'turf'. It all goes with economic advancement, so this is why the bogs were developed in Ireland, enabling a cheap fuel source for the populace.

Here's a good source regarding the history of peat production in Ireland - Bord na Móna

9 posted on 08/05/2006 12:40:31 PM PDT by jla
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To: wideminded

The Okefenokee Swamp in Georgia is a peat bog.


10 posted on 08/05/2006 12:40:38 PM PDT by mwyounce
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To: kcmt01

Aye, and would you be believin' that this very day I've spent as Maggie O'Brian Ueul at Fort Randolph, telling me stories of life on the frontier. Ahh, twas a balmy good day for it too.


11 posted on 08/05/2006 12:41:57 PM PDT by WVNan (I won't forget LaldyX.)
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To: blam
Bog Bodies Shine Light On Iron Age Life
12 posted on 08/05/2006 12:43:38 PM PDT by blam
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To: WVNan

Ah, the Leprechauns of spelling have attacked me tagline.


13 posted on 08/05/2006 12:44:17 PM PDT by WVNan (I won't forget LadyX.)
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To: blam

Psalm 83:
1 O God, do not remain quiet;
Do not be silent and, O God, do not be still.

2 For behold, Thine enemies make an uproar;
And those who hate Thee have exalted themselves.

3 They make shrewd plans against Thy people,
And conspire together against Thy treasured ones.

4 They have said, "Come and let us wipe them out as a nation,
That the name of Israel be remembered no more."

5 For they have conspired together with one mind;
Against Thee do they make a covenant:

6. The tents of Edom and the Islmaelites;
Moab and the Hagrites;

7 Gebal and Ammon, and Amalek;
Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;

8 Assyria also has joined with them;
They have become a help to the children of Lot.

9 Deal with them as with Midian
As with Sisera and Jabin, at the torrent of Kishon,

10 Who were destroyed at En-dor,
Who became as dung for the ground.

11 Make their nobles like O-reb and Zeeb,
And all their princes like Zebah and Zalumunna,

12 Who said, "Let us possess for ourselves
The pastures of God."

13 O my God, make them like the whirling dust;
Like chaff before the wind.

14 Like fire that burns the forest,
And like a flame that sets the mountains on fire,

15 So pursue them with Thy tempest,
And terrify them with Thy storm.

16 Fill their faces with dishonor,
That they may seek Thy name, O Lord.

17 Let them be ashamed and dismayed forever;
And let them be humiliated and perish,

18 That they may know that
Thou alone, whose name is the Lord,
Art Most High over all the earth.


14 posted on 08/05/2006 12:52:27 PM PDT by Humidston (Congress is like the Mafia - NO PAY, NO PLAY.)
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To: WVNan

15 posted on 08/05/2006 12:57:07 PM PDT by blam
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To: jla
We call them swamps or marshlands/grass and moss.

I'm not sure that just any swamp will produce peat. Have you ever heard of even one person in the U.S. harvesting and burning peat? It seems to be a major fuel source in northern Europe. You never hear of any "bog people" here either.

16 posted on 08/05/2006 12:59:36 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: blam

The 7th to the 9th Century was a kind of "golden age" (if any age is) of Celtic Christianity. The church of Rome before this had not evangelized northern and even central europe--the first areas to sucumb in the collape of the Roman Empire.

It took independent Celtic missionaries, based in Ireland and Scotland, to bring Christianity to Germany and much of France...even down into northern Italy south of the Alps. Most of the tribes in this area were either out and out pagan, (worshiping demons and inanimate objects...animism) or Arian, a cult honored Christ but which denied His divinity.

This is covered, I am told, in the book "How the Irish Saved Civilization." Interestingly, many historians believe St. Patrick, of the 5th Century, may have never visited Rome, nor, they think, was he interested in support of the papacy. (ie. Patrick may not have been in fact, Roman Catholic) Don't tell the Irish Catholics though!

In the late 7th into the 8th Century (starting with an agreement in England in 664 at Whitby Abbey) the Celtic churches came under the authority of the strengthening Roman church, and Celtic missionary activity came to an end, as the Roman brand of catholicism moved into control of Christianity in northern Europe.


17 posted on 08/05/2006 1:00:47 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: wideminded
Myself, no I haven't. But here's more info on the subject as it pertains to the U.S.
18 posted on 08/05/2006 1:07:01 PM PDT by jla
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To: wideminded
"You never hear of any "bog people" here either."

Some of the oldest 'bog people' in the world can be found in sunny Florida.

One of the oldest mummies in the world was found in a cave in Nevada, Spirit Cave Man

Bye, Bye Beringia (8,000 Year-Old Site In Florida)

*Skeletal remains of 169 people, split almost evenly between males and females, ranging from 6 to 70 years old. About 75 of the skeletons were relatively intact."

*90 intact human brains that include the oldest DNA samples in the World.
*Artifacts of wood, bone, and seed that were made into jewelry and tools, providing insight into the ancient peoples' lives.
*Tests showed the oldest skeletons were buried 8,100 years ago. The youngest was placed in the ground 6,900 years ago.
"To put this into context," Doran said, "these people had already been dead for 3,000 or 4,000 years before the first stones were laid for the Egyptian pyramids!"

19 posted on 08/05/2006 1:11:34 PM PDT by blam
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To: wideminded

Spirit Cave Man (9,400 years old mummy)

20 posted on 08/05/2006 1:14:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: wideminded

. You never hear of any "bog people" here either.

Ach, and next you'll be telling us that there aren't any

"Bong People" in Californy.

It's the Blarney stone you've been kissing, in't.


21 posted on 08/05/2006 1:17:10 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: wideminded

"Have you ever heard of even one person in the U.S. harvesting and burning peat?"

Yes, kind of. Link below is not to one up you, but as a child growing up in rural Illinois, I remember a peat fire in one of my uncle's fields on more than one occasion. Takes for ever to put out - just smolders - may just burn itself out. I was pretty young.

One of the links mentions harvesting peat - this search only asked for Illinois, not the US or even the Midwest.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=peat+fire+illinois&btnG=Google+Search


22 posted on 08/05/2006 1:17:42 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: wideminded

From: http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=6944024

Because peat occurs on the surface, harvesting should have very little effect on the contour of the land.^In fact, productive land would be created for crops, trees, wildlife habitats, and lakes and ponds.^

It is estimated that U.S. reserves would yield about 120 billion tons of peat (on the basis of 35 weight percent moisture content).^The energy available from these reserves is estimated to be about 1440 quads (10/sup 15/ Btu), which is equivalent to 240 billion barrels of oil.^Among fossil fuels, this is exceeded only by the energy potential of U.S. coal resources.^

About 90 percent of the reserves are located in Alaska (61.7 billion tons), Minnesota (16.5 billion tons), Michigan (10.3 billion tons), Florida (6.9 billion tons), Wisconsin (6.4 billion tons), Louisiana (4.1 billion tons), and North Carolina (2.7 billion tons).


23 posted on 08/05/2006 1:34:03 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: kcmt01

I love Ireland for one reason: Maureen O'Hara.


24 posted on 08/05/2006 1:35:32 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: wideminded
We had a peat bog behind our house in Illinois in a town southwest of Chicago.

My father called the large empty lots the "back forty." We kids called it "the prairie" until the land was finally mowed.

Houses were not built on the land, for fear that the foundations would crack.

For some time, fires smoldered within the bog, occasionally flaring up enough that the fire department had to be called.

The good old days.

25 posted on 08/05/2006 1:48:52 PM PDT by syriacus (Why doesn't the US government sell war bonds? I'd buy them, if the money went to the WOT.)
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To: Let's Roll
Takes for ever to put out - just smolders - may just burn itself out. I was pretty young.

I grew up in Illinois and have similar memories. See my post #25.

26 posted on 08/05/2006 1:51:48 PM PDT by syriacus (Why doesn't the US government sell war bonds? I'd buy them, if the money went to the WOT.)
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To: syriacus
CHAIN O' LAKES - FOX RIVER
Because of its glacial history, wetlands are particularly concentrated in northeastern Illinois. A variety of wetland types, such as marshes, sedge meadows, fens, and bogs, support a unique and sometimes rare flora and fauna. Bogs in Illinois are limited to glacial depressions in the northeastern part of the state. Acidic conditions created by the lack of drainage and accumulation of layers of peat support uniquely adapted flora, such as leatherleaf, blueberry, cranberry, ferns, orchids, pitcherplant, sundew, poison sumac, and tamarack.

27 posted on 08/05/2006 1:58:37 PM PDT by syriacus (Why doesn't the US government sell war bonds? I'd buy them, if the money went to the WOT.)
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To: wideminded
I spent some summers in northern Wisconsin (the place where many waters gather.) There there was a small lake that was almost covered with spaghnum. It was several feet thick. You could walk on the spaghnum that covered the lake, it felt like you were on a waterbed. I would call this a bog. Had to be careful not to find a soft spot. You could slip thru the sphagnum and be trapped.

At some point after the lake covered over I assume it would be possible to cut it and use it for fuel. Most peat is mined and used in gardening in the US.
28 posted on 08/05/2006 2:07:36 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Especially in "The Quiet Man". Loved her running across the moor in her bare feet. Sexier than Paris Hilton naked.


29 posted on 08/05/2006 2:21:45 PM PDT by kcmt01
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To: Old Sarge

Medieval PING!
Ms.B


30 posted on 08/05/2006 2:31:11 PM PDT by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: blam
I keep waiting for a CA person to speak up, but I guess not. The San Joaquin and Sacramento Valley's are full of peat.Every year the peat dust blows(in the fall) and makes life miserable for the residents of stockton, modesto, etc. The valley is just one dried up peat bog! Sometimes the peat catches on fire, but you hear less about it now, the leftist news media hardly ever mentions the peat.
31 posted on 08/05/2006 2:39:45 PM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Impressive.


32 posted on 08/05/2006 2:44:14 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded
Surprised the daylights out of me, too. I mainly just think in terms of bales of over-priced peat moss for the garden.
33 posted on 08/05/2006 3:22:14 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

***I love Ireland for one reason: Maureen O'Hara.***

WATER! She gave me water!


34 posted on 08/05/2006 3:31:54 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Democrats have never found a fight they couldn't run from...Ann Coulter)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

Good PING!


35 posted on 08/05/2006 4:34:39 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Goodbye, Momma...)
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To: blam
Thanks Blam.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list. Thanks.
Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the
"Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list or GGG weekly digest
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36 posted on 08/05/2006 6:02:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, July 27, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NYer

ping


37 posted on 08/05/2006 8:17:02 PM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

LOL great tagline


38 posted on 08/05/2006 8:19:47 PM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: wideminded

Bogs was a pitcher and Peat played foot ball - don't know what you mean.


39 posted on 08/05/2006 8:23:58 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: Humidston

They're now saying it is actually Psalm 84, with the confusion coming from different numbering in the Vulgate from the KJV.

http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=13006159&src=rss/oddlyEnoughNews

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/story.asp?j=191201038&p=y9yzxy744&n=191201798


40 posted on 08/05/2006 8:44:23 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: redhead
Some of the bogs are quite deep. My sister and I were stuck in muskeg when we were quite small, and had to be rescued.

Glad to hear you came out of that OK. Sounds like the outcome could have been much worse.

41 posted on 08/05/2006 9:37:38 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: blam

bttt


42 posted on 08/05/2006 9:39:41 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Wear Red on Fridays to support the troops!!)
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To: wideminded

"Why don't we ever hear of bogs and/or peat in North America?"

There's a pretty interesting bog near out West. Not much to see but of historical significance. I think it is in or near the Great Basin. The bog has (or had) thick slabs of peat that were over ice that stayed frozen year 'round because the peat insulated the ice. When travelers on the Oregon trail began going through the area, the native Americans showed them the bog as a source of water. The travelers would cut blocks of ice from the bog and pack them on their wagons, insulated with peat. They collected the cold water as the ice melted.

I was on a bicyle trip that followed the Oregon Trail when I visited the site in the early 80's and the bog was still visible but was part of a cattle pasture. The cattle congregated there and it was essentially a big mud hole when I saw it. Although , supposedly, the peat extended further back from where the cattle were.


43 posted on 08/05/2006 9:54:56 PM PDT by RouxStir (Refreshingly Offensive, with Hints of Cohiba and Auchentoshen.)
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To: RouxStir; mad_as_he$$; ApplegateRanch; Pete from Shawnee Mission; syriacus; Let's Roll; tet68; ...

Thanks to everyone who commented on bogs and peat in North America. I sure learned a lot.


44 posted on 08/05/2006 10:10:57 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded

Now you know!

And knowing is half the battle!


45 posted on 08/05/2006 10:39:29 PM PDT by mwyounce
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To: wideminded
I sure learned a lot.

So did I !! I'm glad you brought up the question.

46 posted on 08/06/2006 9:22:31 AM PDT by syriacus (Why doesn't the US government sell war bonds? I'd buy them, if the money went to the WOT.)
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To: RouxStir
There's a pretty interesting bog near out West. Not much to see but of historical significance. I think it is in or near the Great Basin...

Very interesting history!

47 posted on 08/06/2006 9:25:06 AM PDT by syriacus (Why doesn't the US government sell war bonds? I'd buy them, if the money went to the WOT.)
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To: Humidston

Psalm 83 sounds very up-to-date.


48 posted on 08/06/2006 9:27:05 AM PDT by syriacus (Why doesn't the US government sell war bonds? I'd buy them, if the money went to the WOT.)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Ping


49 posted on 08/06/2006 9:29:21 AM PDT by fanfan (WAW - Women Against Weenification!)
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To: blam; fanfan; Happygal; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; ...

Yet more stuff found in the bog... monks must lost a lot of stuff down bog holes!!


50 posted on 08/06/2006 9:43:54 AM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|The IRA are actually terrorists, any questions?)
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