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Reuters Admits Photo Fakery!
Reuters ^ | 8-6-06 | Reuters

Posted on 08/06/2006 4:35:24 AM PDT by Crazieman

Edited on 08/06/2006 5:09:15 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: mware
If the brand new clean pacifier wasn't photoshopped it was certainly added as a sympathy prop before the photo was taken.
101 posted on 08/06/2006 5:23:33 AM PDT by handy (Congress sends troops to battle but they won't take a stand against the NYT undermining our security)
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To: FreeRadical
I may be flailing with my cache, but I think yahoo is still showing the photo here: 8:23a.m.est
102 posted on 08/06/2006 5:24:03 AM PDT by FreeRadical (Find Terrorists Here: islamicFinder.com)
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To: FreeRadical

Looks like the same false fotergraph to me.


103 posted on 08/06/2006 5:25:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: mainepatsfan

Especially not when there is a war raging, and their side is losing.


104 posted on 08/06/2006 5:26:01 AM PDT by pissant
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To: ReignOfError

I still don't think it is right. Look at the areas of lightness. Why fake lightness, unless it is a mushroom shape he was going for?


105 posted on 08/06/2006 5:26:09 AM PDT by Blogger (http://www.propheteuon.com)
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To: backhoe

I agree.


106 posted on 08/06/2006 5:26:25 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Crazieman

Al Reuters .....


107 posted on 08/06/2006 5:27:04 AM PDT by Jackknife ( "It's not a real party 'til somebody breaks something.")
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To: nuconvert

'"Little Green Footballs had a run-in with Reuters, so they modified their site meter to record visits from Reuters... they had four online when I looked a few minutes ago."
Lol. Good idea.'

That was the great "Bungholio ( yes, means like it sounds ) or Bunga, Bunga, Bunga! affair:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1219250/posts?page=290#290


108 posted on 08/06/2006 5:27:13 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: pissant

They can't afford to damage one of their top allies.


109 posted on 08/06/2006 5:27:50 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan
A guy on LGF made a really good point. When news agencies hire stringers, the angencies should be even more careful with their editing responsibilities. I'll bet the media outlets don't know a lot of these stringers from Adam's housecat. And since even the stringers they do know aren't handing over these pics by hand, they're probably being e-mailed, who the heck knows where these pics could be coming from. All the more reason for editors to take their jobs seriously. Provided of course said editors aren't actually aiding and abetting.
110 posted on 08/06/2006 5:29:04 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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111 posted on 08/06/2006 5:29:21 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: backhoe

Thanks. When I first seen that picture, I thought, "WOW! I didn't know Beirut was as populated as Hong Kong."


112 posted on 08/06/2006 5:29:30 AM PDT by moonman (`)
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To: blam
The al-Reuters agenda unmasked.

And what agenda is that? Looking at the photos side by side, I don't see how one makes any political point more forcefully than the other. One of my favorite maxims is "never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence," and this seems like a good case for that.

I once noticed -- and pointed out to the AP -- a pair of faked photos that were later retracted. They were faked by the U.S. Army. They were photos of two soldiers killed in Iraq, and appeared to be the photos from their ID badges. The soldiers had been photoshopped in front of a U.S. flag. There were harsh jagged lines around the silhouette job, and the flag background was pixel-for-pixel identical in both.

My best WAG -- and it's a pretty weak one, but as good as any I can come up with -- is that some newbie screwed up cropping the photo, and in a vast overestimation of his photoshop skills, thought he could fake the cropped-out parts rather than embarrass himself by asking someone up the line to resend.

The more I see, the more I'm inclined to believe that it was not the photographer, because Reuters had the unaltered version readily at hand. In any case, at least two people screwed up -- the person who doctored the image and the person who approved it.

113 posted on 08/06/2006 5:30:02 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: mewzilla

The editors begin with bias in favor of Hezbollah and against the US. They are getting exactly what they want from their stringers.


114 posted on 08/06/2006 5:30:56 AM PDT by twntaipan (John McCain: Your 15 minutes of fame were up long, long ago.)
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To: ReignOfError

Since Reuters has the original, I am betting that it was an editor who modified the photo rather than the photographer.


115 posted on 08/06/2006 5:31:15 AM PDT by Toskrin (It didn't seem nostalgic when I was doing it)
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To: abb

Al-Reuters contact information:


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116 posted on 08/06/2006 5:31:40 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: ReignOfError
Background information on the run in with LGF from their site. Note the date.

Friday, May 26, 2006

A Death Threat from Reuters (Bumped)

See below for important updates...

Early yesterday morning at about 3:00 am on the West Coast, someone in Sweden Britain connected to the Internet and browsed over to this article at the Guardian by Inayat Bunglawala, media secretary of the Muslim Council of Britain: This code could open doors.

Bunglawala’s piece (about the Da Vinci Code) is in the section of the Guardian site where readers can comment, and someone posted a link to LGF as a rebuttal to Bunglawala. Our Swedish British visitor clicked that link, leading him/her/it to this post: Swedish Muslims Demand Shari’a.

At 3:23 am, this creature used our contact form to send the following message with the obviously phony Hotmail address ‘zionistpig@hotmail.com’ and the subject line, “You bunch of wankers.”

I look forward to the day when you pigs get your throats cut....

Well, isn’t that tolerant.

But this particular death threat is a bit different from the run of the mill hate mail we get around here, because an IP lookup on the sender reveals that he/she/it was using an account at none other than Reuters News

117 posted on 08/06/2006 5:32:23 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: 13Sisters76
........ '68 Tet offensive, one of the most decisive victories for the American and So V'Namese military.

The Viet Cong was virtually wiped out, and the N. Vietnamese regular army was so badly defeated that the #1 general told Ho Chi Minh that they should give it up and come to terms.

118 posted on 08/06/2006 5:32:41 AM PDT by jimtorr
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To: Crazieman

I created a negative of the image and then adjusted the gama and it looked to me as though the entire smoke was "layered" over the buildings.


119 posted on 08/06/2006 5:33:04 AM PDT by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: Crazieman

In May, a Reuters employee E-mailed a death threat to LGF.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3256534,00.html

Three months later, LGF busts Reuters for doctoring photos.

Ha. Ha.


120 posted on 08/06/2006 5:34:20 AM PDT by Toskrin (It didn't seem nostalgic when I was doing it)
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To: Blogger
I still don't think it is right. Look at the areas of lightness. Why fake lightness, unless it is a mushroom shape he was going for?

I don't know what you mean by "areas of lightness," and it's not easy to do any sophisticated photo analysis on a low-resolution, heavily compressed version of the image from Yahoo. If there were any shenanigans on the refed photo, it's subtle enough that it would take a higher-res, less-compressed version to nail down.

Sorry, but I still don't see the argument for bias or the motive here. Why risk your job to make a cloud of smoke look vaguely more mushroom shaped? I don't doubt the widespread existence of bias in the media (several different biases, actually), but some of the arguments are reminiscent of the folks looking for skull-shapes in the ice cubes in liquor ads.

121 posted on 08/06/2006 5:35:59 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Toskrin

Since AP, AFP, and Rooters were the media outlets allowed at Qana, maybe we should be going back and looking at a lot more photogs and their photos....


122 posted on 08/06/2006 5:36:19 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: MarineNav

The photographer was the same one that took the pics of green helmet guy at Qana.


123 posted on 08/06/2006 5:36:50 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: ReignOfError
There is a difference between the two cases. In the US Army case, it was the source who did that. In this case, again, assuming you're right that it was not the photographer who did it, it was Reuters who did it. Everybody has agenda, no doubt. But Reuters declares themselves 'independent'. In this case, by adding an effect, they clearly are not.
124 posted on 08/06/2006 5:37:15 AM PDT by paudio (Universal Human Rights and Multiculturalism: Liberals want to have cake and eat it too!)
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To: Crazieman

So when/how does that "photo kill" actually get served to a news consumer?


125 posted on 08/06/2006 5:37:29 AM PDT by Uncledave
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To: ReignOfError
Why risk your job to make a cloud of smoke look vaguely more mushroom shaped?

Why did Leni Riefenstahl ruin her reputation to shill for Hitler?

126 posted on 08/06/2006 5:38:16 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: abb
Which begs the question, BEFORE the internet, just how much did they show and tell us that wasn't true?

Detections were more difficult, but they did happen.

I recall National Geographic getting into trouble for altering a photo some 20 years ago. They just 'moved' a camel and rider closer to the Great Pyramid. They got skewered for it.

It has happened previously. Now, with Internet and software and expertise it is easer to do and easier to expose.

In this instance, comparing the original to the photochopped, one wonders why they bothered. The original has significant smoke floating over the city -- and that was what they wanted to show. Their altered version was ridiculous and unnecessary.
127 posted on 08/06/2006 5:38:41 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Allegra

Reuters Exclusive!

Giant Eddy of Iron Maiden fame is destroying Beirut!

Women and minorities were the primary victims.


128 posted on 08/06/2006 5:39:28 AM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: mware

"Could the pacifier on the baby be photo-shopped???"

Odd how the pacifier is so blue and clean when everything else is covered in dust.


129 posted on 08/06/2006 5:40:36 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: mware
The kid is too old to use a pacifier notice the length of the limbs.
130 posted on 08/06/2006 5:40:43 AM PDT by omega4179 (When was Clinton going to fight in the trenches for Israel?)
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To: Crazieman

If it weren't for FreeRepublic, who would have known? And who will pick this story up and get it in front of more people? Reason #1,299 to send a little cash during the next fundraiser.


131 posted on 08/06/2006 5:41:22 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: mewzilla

If it fits the template the media is going by they're less likely to question it's veracity.


132 posted on 08/06/2006 5:41:26 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan
There are none so blind...

:(

133 posted on 08/06/2006 5:42:22 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: driftdiver

That is why I asked the experts to check on it. It could have been physically added or photo-shopped. We need to see other photos showing this child.


134 posted on 08/06/2006 5:42:30 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: ReignOfError

"Beats me why a photographer or editor would risk his job over that"

Thats just it, they haven't risked their job. The guy was only suspended.


135 posted on 08/06/2006 5:42:48 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver; ReignOfError

Good point. Plus, when you use stringers, you have no idea how many masters he/she is serving.


136 posted on 08/06/2006 5:45:02 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Uncledave


I guess next we can look forward to pics babies being bayonetted by evil jews/ Maybe mushroom clouds over hospitals? Maybe an evil jew chewing on a babies detached arm? Reuters, you can do so much better! How bout a pic of Isreal soldiers gang raping a 12 your old girl?


137 posted on 08/06/2006 5:45:24 AM PDT by PA-RIVER (Islam, built on the pillars of Hatred)
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To: Crazieman

A lousy fake at that.


138 posted on 08/06/2006 5:46:21 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: Crazieman
Al-Reuters 5 year chart on the London Stock Ex. Down over %50. Sniff.


139 posted on 08/06/2006 5:46:56 AM PDT by Leisler (Islam is the ROP. I know because the President told me so.)
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To: FreeRadical
Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting
140 posted on 08/06/2006 5:47:34 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: ReignOfError
Placing the two photos side-by-side, I believe most people would agree that the the fraudulent photograph is more lurid and provocative. If they were sounds, the second photo would be a few decibels louder.

Common sense says the person who doctored the photo was trying to make a political statement through selective amplification.

141 posted on 08/06/2006 5:48:08 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: mware

Thanks. I meant to ask for more info on that before I clicked "post," but forgot.

I would certainly hope that if the IP wasn't spoofed, if the message did in fact come from inside Reuters, the party responsible was canned with extreme prejudice. I've known of people fired for far less.

The Reuters IP address that LGF tracked was probably a Reuters firewall. But armed with that address, Reuters might be able to track it back to a MAC address. If they did find and fire the sender, I doubt they'd ever publicize it.


142 posted on 08/06/2006 5:48:55 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: mware
It's in this picture also:

It seems to me that the pacifier should be a lot more dirty in the other picture given it's position in this picture. Odd.

143 posted on 08/06/2006 5:49:19 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: JCEccles
A big part of propaganda is exaggeration.
144 posted on 08/06/2006 5:49:28 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: omega4179

That picture is so obviously staged, I would like to see someone Photoshop a movie set slate over it with the caption something like, "Qana Propoganda Photo - Take One."


145 posted on 08/06/2006 5:50:41 AM PDT by randita
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To: driftdiver
It might well be argued that the photoshopper was suspended for not doing a more professional job of fakery.

Makes one wonder how many other Reuters photos have been doctored and never challenged.

146 posted on 08/06/2006 5:50:56 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: tsmith130
Do we have an idenitification of who the photographer was in this photo?

Like I mentioned earlier it could have been placed on the child too.

147 posted on 08/06/2006 5:51:05 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: randita

Perhaps it was also done at a Kinko's.


148 posted on 08/06/2006 5:51:38 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: JCEccles

I'm sure they're launching a thorough internal investigation. /s


149 posted on 08/06/2006 5:52:46 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: humblegunner
Image hosted by Photobucket.com damn that Lootie is fast...
150 posted on 08/06/2006 5:54:32 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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