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Reuters Admits Photo Fakery!
Reuters ^ | 8-6-06 | Reuters

Posted on 08/06/2006 4:35:24 AM PDT by Crazieman

Edited on 08/06/2006 5:09:15 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: mware

Yes, I posted in #123 that it's the photographer that took a lot of the pics at Qana, Adnan Hajj.


151 posted on 08/06/2006 5:55:37 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Fred Nerks; USF; Just A Nobody
ENEMEDIA Ping!
152 posted on 08/06/2006 5:55:53 AM PDT by jan in Colorado (Retire John Murtha!)
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To: mewzilla
Why risk your job to make a cloud of smoke look vaguely more mushroom shaped?

Why did Leni Riefenstahl ruin her reputation to shill for Hitler?

She made her reputation shilling for Hitler.

I don't doubt that propaganda exists, and in fact is pervasive. I'm unconvinced that this is it. The alterations to the photo made it uglier -- even if they hadn't been so clumsy, they wouldn't have added anything to the political content or emotional impact.

Did Reuters fail to live up to widely-accepted ethical standards? No question. Did Reuters fail to live up to its own stated standards? No question. Did Reuters fail to live up to the standards of image quality expected of someone shooting kids' portraits at the local K-Mart, let alone a major news organization? No question.

My only issue is that this was done in pursuit of a political agenda, because even if successful, it would have done nothing to further any agenda I can see.

153 posted on 08/06/2006 5:56:45 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: tsmith130

for frantically digging in the dirt for children's corpses they sure look clean...


154 posted on 08/06/2006 5:56:59 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: JCEccles
Definitely more lurid and provocative...


155 posted on 08/06/2006 5:57:08 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: backhoe

Thanks for the link. I missed all that.


156 posted on 08/06/2006 5:57:25 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: All

Not for nothing.....but the first thought I had was that the smoke plume looked like a closed fist.....

.....rather appropiate I thought.


157 posted on 08/06/2006 5:57:54 AM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: ReignOfError
She made her reputation shilling for Hitler.

FWIW, I regard that as infamy rather than fame.

158 posted on 08/06/2006 5:58:05 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: tsmith130
Agreed.

Ten decibels louder. That's twice the volume.

160 posted on 08/06/2006 5:58:22 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Chode
damn that Lootie is fast...

He has to be, with the workload these days.

161 posted on 08/06/2006 5:58:31 AM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: ReignOfError
Link to LGF's regarding the threat.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=20760_A_Death_Threat_from_Reuters_(Bumped)&only

162 posted on 08/06/2006 5:59:00 AM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: Crazieman
Its on Drudge!
163 posted on 08/06/2006 5:59:22 AM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: Crazieman

Wow! The Pajama team wins again.


164 posted on 08/06/2006 6:01:12 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Knowledge is power, so the MSM makes sure the terrorists have our classified info.)
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To: ReignOfError
My only issue is that this was done in pursuit of a political agenda, because even if successful, it would have done nothing to further any agenda I can see.

Recall your Goebbels? I think these folks do.

The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.

Joseph Goebbels

In this case, they're going for sympathy. Making Beirut look like it's been laid waste to is part of the plan.

165 posted on 08/06/2006 6:01:43 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Crazieman

The first two Drudge headlines are now an uppercut and roundhouse right to the jaw of Islamofascist-symp Reuters.


166 posted on 08/06/2006 6:02:07 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Blogger
Why fake lightness, unless it is a mushroom shape he was going for?

If I'm ever stunningly wealthy- I'll buy Reuters and mandate that the only image manipulation that will be done on the product, will be done with MS Paint.

It'd look like a kid drew a mushroom cloud with crayons.

167 posted on 08/06/2006 6:02:19 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: JCEccles

Its also killing LGF's server. Almost inaccessible now.


168 posted on 08/06/2006 6:02:59 AM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: humblegunner
Giant Eddy of Iron Maiden fame is destroying Beirut!

ROFL! You are having WAAAY too much fun with this.

169 posted on 08/06/2006 6:03:50 AM PDT by Allegra (FReeping LIVE! from "the other war zone.")
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To: mewzilla

Goebbels would have loved to have had today's media back when he was running German propaganda.


170 posted on 08/06/2006 6:04:27 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Crazieman

They need to upgrade.


171 posted on 08/06/2006 6:05:00 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

Why? Its not every day a natural force like the Drudge Report causes the entire internet to descend on your innocent servers.


172 posted on 08/06/2006 6:06:38 AM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: Crazieman
You have got to love the Internet.

Thank you Algore.

173 posted on 08/06/2006 6:07:46 AM PDT by JCEccles (Reuters: reuting for the success of Islamofacism all day, everyday!)
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To: tsmith130

That GIF compares two different photos from two different photographers working for two different agencies on two different days.

It was originally composed by someone at LGF who was arguing that the doctored Reuters photo was built from a July 26 AP photo. It was posted to make that point in post #6 on this thread.

Personally, I don't think it proves what it's purported to prove. Photographers working in Beirut all know the same vantage points. In fact, they're all probably staying at the same hotel and taking their wide shots from its roof. The overlap looks compelling in a muddy, low-res version, but with the original files -- unless the photographers were standing at the same spot with the same ISO and focal length -- not so much. Parralax is a harsh mistress.


174 posted on 08/06/2006 6:07:51 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Crazieman

True but the daily amount of hits to their page is certain to keep climbing.


175 posted on 08/06/2006 6:08:16 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan
"I think it's more than fair to say that Reuters has a big problem."

Charles Johnson, owner of LGF

176 posted on 08/06/2006 6:09:33 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: KoRn

LGF caught Reuters on this one.


177 posted on 08/06/2006 6:09:57 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Knowledge is power, so the MSM makes sure the terrorists have our classified info.)
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To: JCEccles
He's saving us from things we don't even know we're supposed to be afraid of.
178 posted on 08/06/2006 6:10:12 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Allegra

Giant Eddy of Iron Maiden fame is destroying Beirut!

Hahaha that is To Dam Funny.

Someone should put a pic of King Kong and say King Kong is destroying Beruit.


179 posted on 08/06/2006 6:10:24 AM PDT by BlueSky194
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To: TomGuy; cripplecreek
Here is the "correction" per Reuters:

Here is the fake:

The correction is in a yahoo slide show here: "accurate foto"

Although, best I can tell, yahoo is also still happily showing the fake here: 9:03am est

180 posted on 08/06/2006 6:10:35 AM PDT by FreeRadical (Find Terrorists Here: islamicFinder.com)
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To: mewzilla

That and the fact that their employees are issuing death threats.


181 posted on 08/06/2006 6:10:49 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: ReignOfError

Reign, Reuters issued a kill order on the pic. What more do you need?


182 posted on 08/06/2006 6:11:00 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: backhoe
"Identifying falsified images can be straightforward if you know a few tricks."

Shouldn't Reuters subject ALL their photographs to simple statistical and technical tests prior to going out over the wires? Aren't they responsible for quality control, veracity, provenance and content? Or does forwarding an antisemite agenda trump all other considerations in the eyes of Herr Reuters' heirs?

This is Lucy Ramirez level sophistication. I certainly hope the source of this photograph is fired, at the least. What controls are in place to prevent this from happening again?

Like the political bias of CBS (huge, endemic, pervasive and deeply ingrained) does Reuters' bias insinuate itself into all its reporting, to point of rendering it a not so subtle propaganda machine for one side in this conflict? NOTE TO REUTERS CUSTOMERS: May I point out that was a rhetorical question, since you do not seem to be very quick on the uptake?

183 posted on 08/06/2006 6:12:09 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: humblegunner; BlueSky194

I believe you're being summoned at post #179.


184 posted on 08/06/2006 6:12:21 AM PDT by Allegra (FReeping LIVE! from "the other war zone.")
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To: Chode


"believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear" is now "none of what you see, none of what you hear".

I am really shocked, shocked that I was so gullible to think that pic might be real.

Explodng pick up trucks on date line, Real but fake documents by Dan Rather, you think I would have learned!


185 posted on 08/06/2006 6:13:23 AM PDT by PA-RIVER (Islam, built on the pillars of Hatred)
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To: BlueSky194

Call Peter Jackson.


186 posted on 08/06/2006 6:14:01 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: FreeRadical
Here's the sad thing: how do we know the "correct" photo is not fake, but just more cleverly photoshopped?

Reuters has NO credibility.

187 posted on 08/06/2006 6:14:32 AM PDT by JCEccles (Reuters: reuting for the success of Islamofascism all day, everyday!)
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To: humblegunner

LOL!!


188 posted on 08/06/2006 6:18:08 AM PDT by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: mware

I thought the series of dead children was strange. I don't know how to go back and see those pictures again. But one was of a person placing a dead child in a mass grave. All the other corpses were completely covered, I forget if they were in coffins or completely wrapped. But the guy had the baby in a regular blanket with it's face exposed. I was wondering why are they burying this child so differently in a loose blanket with the face uncovered.


189 posted on 08/06/2006 6:18:14 AM PDT by A knight without armor
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To: mware
"...The git sent the e mail from Reuters..."

Unbeliveable. Even the most rabid liberals infected with BDS know they cannot send death threats from their work email address...:)

It is things like this that give me encouragement that we will defeat these idiots when we come to total and open war, as I feel that we eventually will be forced to do.

190 posted on 08/06/2006 6:20:07 AM PDT by rlmorel (Islamofacism: It is all fun and games until someone puts an eye out. Or chops off a head.)
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To: mewzilla
FWIW, I regard that as infamy rather than fame.

Absolutely. She went where the money and fame were, and was a pariah after the war ended. Justifiably. You can't serve as a handmaiden to evil and then say you were just a handmaiden.

It's a pity she didn't flee the Reich, or even remain apolitical, instead of serving it so well and enthusiastically; she was an incredibly talented filmmaker and photographer.

Even Triumph of the Will is a beautifully shot and executed film, to the degree that you can separate its technical and aesthetic merit from its glorification of evil. That's not easy to do even a little bit, and I don't think it's possible to do completely.

Her work after the war also showed great talent and skill, but the world wasn't inclined to forgive or forget. Reasonably so. If she'd used her talents to document the Holocaust after the war ended, that would have been a suitable form of atonement.

191 posted on 08/06/2006 6:21:24 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: mware

bump


192 posted on 08/06/2006 6:21:51 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: mware
I read the thread investigating the photo before I went to church. Her I am home, and Reuters has admitted it!

Great job, all of you who participated!

193 posted on 08/06/2006 6:22:02 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.)
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To: Crazieman

How many times do MSM news organizations need to get busted for "fake but accurate"? And if there is really no liberal bias, which they all say, why is it their fakery is ALWAYS lefty slanted?


194 posted on 08/06/2006 6:23:13 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: ReignOfError

You may very well be right. However, it doesn't change the fact that the overlay shown in my post was doctored. I guess without the original photo(s) we can't say for certain regarding anything else about the photos.


195 posted on 08/06/2006 6:23:36 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: mewzilla
In this case, they're going for sympathy. Making Beirut look like it's been laid waste to is part of the plan.

But the doctored photo doesn't make Beirut look any more wasted than the original. That's my point. I understand propaganda. I know how it works, and how it can be abrupt or subtle. This case is neither. It's just stupid.

196 posted on 08/06/2006 6:23:39 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: abb
Raoul's First Law of Journalism
BIAS = LAYOFFS

197 posted on 08/06/2006 6:25:55 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (New York Times? Get a rope!)
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To: Guenevere
These clowns would get away with everything!

You can bet your sweet @$$ that they have been doing things like this forever and are just now getting caught. Repeatedly.

198 posted on 08/06/2006 6:26:21 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: ReignOfError
I disagree and I believe most people would disagree.

The fraudulent photo is darker, more sinister, and makes the devastation look more immediate and complete.

199 posted on 08/06/2006 6:26:35 AM PDT by JCEccles (Reuters: reuting for the success of Islamofascism all day, everyday!)
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To: JCEccles
how do we know the "correct" photo is not fake, but just more cleverly photoshopped?

Exactly! That's kinda the whole point, isn't it? This goes from a sort of euphoric gotcha to a real ugly reality: How many times have they got us?

And, while in general I feel pretty Reuter Proof -- They lost me way back in the day when they refused to use the word terrorist -- the lesson is clear: Every photo is fake until proven accurate.

200 posted on 08/06/2006 6:27:08 AM PDT by FreeRadical (Find Terrorists Here: islamicFinder.com)
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