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Half of U.S. Still Believes Iraq Had WMD
AP news ^ | 08/06/2006 | CHARLES J. HANLEY

Posted on 08/06/2006 10:17:42 AM PDT by cyberdasher

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; iraqiwmds; polls; pollsoniraq; prequel; saddam; wmd
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I didn't see this posted yet.

A rather selective assessment of the whole WMD story from the AP.

1 posted on 08/06/2006 10:17:43 AM PDT by cyberdasher
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To: cyberdasher

That number shall climb before November.


2 posted on 08/06/2006 10:18:18 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: cyberdasher

Half of the US knows the facts.


3 posted on 08/06/2006 10:20:22 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: cyberdasher

I love the use of the word "still."

How about a story that says what portion of the country "still" doesn't believe that Iraq had a pre-invasion relationship with al Qaeda?


4 posted on 08/06/2006 10:21:05 AM PDT by Maceman (This is America. Why must we press "1" for English?)
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To: cyberdasher
Love the way they editorialize and lie. Half do not STILL believe. Last year it was 36% NOW it is up to half.

They must only hire liars and frauds Asso Propaganda.

5 posted on 08/06/2006 10:21:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Perdogg

How do you figure?


6 posted on 08/06/2006 10:21:35 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: cyberdasher

.....And the other half are the morons you see on the road who still have Kerry/Edwards ad Bush Lied bumper stickers on their rusty ,used Volvos


7 posted on 08/06/2006 10:21:58 AM PDT by X918
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To: cyberdasher

uhhhh well yeah, because they DID.


8 posted on 08/06/2006 10:22:24 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: HitmanLV

AP writers still don't know what "torture" really is either, although there are any number of folks here and there who would volunteer to show them any time ~


9 posted on 08/06/2006 10:22:38 AM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: cyberdasher
[ Half of U.S. Still Believes Iraq Had WMD ]

On the otherhand most of the U.S. believes (SSA) Social Security is NOT PURE SOCIALISM...

10 posted on 08/06/2006 10:23:50 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: cyberdasher

Chimpy's just oddly hypnotic, that's the only possible explanation for this. /sarc


11 posted on 08/06/2006 10:25:13 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: cyberdasher
How many Americans still believe the AP?
12 posted on 08/06/2006 10:25:19 AM PDT by Invisible Gorilla
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To: cyberdasher

AP is the organization that set up the Hillary photo-op confrontation last week where she used Sec Rumsfield as a prop for her 08 Pres campaign kickoff.


13 posted on 08/06/2006 10:25:19 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: cyberdasher

100% of Kurds know that Saddam had WMDs.


14 posted on 08/06/2006 10:25:34 AM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: cyberdasher

100% of Kurds know that Saddam had WMDs.


15 posted on 08/06/2006 10:25:36 AM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: cyberdasher

That was considered a "news article"?? I've read Molly Ivins columns that are less slanted.

I still get a kick out of the fact that after the intelligence report detailing the discovery of hundreds of WMDs in Iraq since the invasion, the liberal mantra became "these aren't the WMDs we were looking for." As though we had some list of serial numbers and if a gas shell wasn't on the list, it wasn't really a chemical weapon. The "journalist" writing this story actually mentions the fact we found hundreds of WMDs in the same article where he belittles people who are aware of the fact that we found hundreds of WMDs.


16 posted on 08/06/2006 10:26:19 AM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: cyberdasher
A rather selective assessment of the whole WMD story from the AP.

The dinosaur media must be prepping to make another drive at how "uninformed" vast segments of the American people are since the advent of "new media."

17 posted on 08/06/2006 10:27:44 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Maceman; Straight Vermonter

What an idiotic, biased headline. If I ever suffer a severe head injury, it's comforting to me knowing I'll still have a career in journalism.


18 posted on 08/06/2006 10:29:13 AM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: cyberdasher

Today: August 06, 2006 at 9:35:43 PDT

Half of U.S. Still Believes Iraq Had WMD
By CHARLES J. HANLEY
ASSOCIATED PRESS

Do you believe in Iraqi "WMD"?

Did Saddam Hussein's government have weapons of mass destruction in 2003?

Half of America apparently still thinks so, a new poll finds, and experts see a raft of reasons why: a drumbeat of voices from talk radio to die-hard bloggers to the Oval Office, a surprise headline here or there, a rallying around a partisan flag, and a growing need for people, in their own minds, to justify the war in Iraq.

People tend to become "independent of reality" in these circumstances, says opinion analyst Steven Kull.

The reality in this case is that after a 16-month, $900-million-plus investigation, the U.S. weapons hunters known as the Iraq Survey Group declared that Iraq had dismantled its chemical, biological and nuclear arms programs in 1991 under U.N. oversight. That finding in 2004 reaffirmed the work of U.N. inspectors who in 2002-03 found no trace of banned arsenals in Iraq.

Despite this, a Harris Poll released July 21 found that a full 50 percent of U.S. respondents - up from 36 percent last year - said they believe Iraq did have the forbidden arms when U.S. troops invaded in March 2003, an attack whose stated purpose was elimination of supposed WMD. Other polls also have found an enduring American faith in the WMD story.

"I'm flabbergasted," said Michael Massing, a media critic whose writings dissected the largely unquestioning U.S. news reporting on the Bush administration's shaky WMD claims in 2002-03.

"This finding just has to cause despair among those of us who hope for an informed public able to draw reasonable conclusions based on evidence," Massing said.

Timing may explain some of the poll result. Two weeks before the survey, two Republican lawmakers, Pennsylvania's Sen. Rick Santorum and Michigan's Rep. Peter Hoekstra, released an intelligence report in Washington saying 500 chemical munitions had been collected in Iraq since the 2003 invasion.

"I think the Harris Poll was measuring people's surprise at hearing this after being told for so long there were no WMD in the country," said Hoekstra spokesman Jamal Ware.

But the Pentagon and outside experts stressed that these abandoned shells, many found in ones and twos, were 15 years old or more, their chemical contents were degraded, and they were unusable as artillery ordnance. Since the 1990s, such "orphan" munitions, from among 160,000 made by Iraq and destroyed, have turned up on old battlefields and elsewhere in Iraq, ex-inspectors say. In other words, this was no surprise.

"These are not stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction," said Scott Ritter, the ex-Marine who was a U.N. inspector in the 1990s. "They weren't deliberately withheld from inspectors by the Iraqis."

Conservative commentator Deroy Murdock, who trumpeted Hoekstra's announcement in his syndicated column, complained in an interview that the press "didn't give the story the play it deserved." But in some quarters it was headlined.

"Our top story tonight, the nation abuzz today ..." was how Fox News led its report on the old, stray shells. Talk-radio hosts and their callers seized on it. Feedback to blogs grew intense. "Americans are waking up from a distorted reality," read one posting.

Other claims about supposed WMD had preceded this, especially speculation since 2003 that Iraq had secretly shipped WMD abroad. A former Iraqi general's book - at best uncorroborated hearsay - claimed "56 flights" by jetliners had borne such material to Syria.

But Kull, Massing and others see an influence on opinion that's more sustained than the odd headline.

"I think the Santorum-Hoekstra thing is the latest 'factoid,' but the basic dynamic is the insistent repetition by the Bush administration of the original argument," said John Prados, author of the 2004 book "Hoodwinked: The Documents That Reveal How Bush Sold Us a War."

Administration statements still describe Saddam's Iraq as a threat. Despite the official findings, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has allowed only that "perhaps" WMD weren't in Iraq. And Bush himself, since 2003, has repeatedly insisted on one plainly false point: that Saddam rebuffed the U.N. inspectors in 2002, that "he wouldn't let them in," as he said in 2003, and "he chose to deny inspectors," as he said this March.

The facts are that Iraq - after a four-year hiatus in cooperating with inspections - acceded to the U.N. Security Council's demand and allowed scores of experts to conduct more than 700 inspections of potential weapons sites from Nov. 27, 2002, to March 16, 2003. The inspectors said they could wrap up their work within months. Instead, the U.S. invasion aborted that work.

As recently as May 27, Bush told West Point graduates, "When the United Nations Security Council gave him one final chance to disclose and disarm, or face serious consequences, he refused to take that final opportunity."

"Which isn't true," observed Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a scholar of presidential rhetoric at the University of Pennsylvania. But "it doesn't surprise me when presidents reconstruct reality to make their policies defensible." This president may even have convinced himself it's true, she said.

Americans have heard it. A poll by Kull's WorldPublicOpinion.org found that seven in 10 Americans perceive the administration as still saying Iraq had a WMD program. Combine that rhetoric with simplistic headlines about WMD "finds," and people "assume the issue is still in play," Kull said.

"For some it almost becomes independent of reality and becomes very partisan." The WMD believers are heavily Republican, polls show.

Beyond partisanship, however, people may also feel a need to believe in WMD, the analysts say.

"As perception grows of worsening conditions in Iraq, it may be that Americans are just hoping for more of a solid basis for being in Iraq to begin with," said the Harris Poll's David Krane.

Charles Duelfer, the lead U.S. inspector who announced the negative WMD findings two years ago, has watched uncertainly as TV sound bites, bloggers and politicians try to chip away at "the best factual account," his group's densely detailed, 1,000-page final report.

"It is easy to see what is accepted as truth rapidly morph from one representation to another," he said in an e-mail. "It would be a shame if one effect of the power of the Internet was to undermine any commonly agreed set of facts."

The creative "morphing" goes on.

As Israeli troops and Hezbollah guerrillas battled in Lebanon on July 21, a Fox News segment suggested, with no evidence, yet another destination for the supposed doomsday arms.

"ARE SADDAM HUSSEIN'S WMDS NOW IN HEZBOLLAH'S HANDS?" asked the headline, lingering for long minutes on TV screens in a million American homes.

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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2006/aug/06/080602877.html


19 posted on 08/06/2006 10:29:37 AM PDT by Mr. Brightside
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To: cyberdasher

Aside from the chemical weapons that were found, along withe the bio stuff, illegal missles and auv's are we supposed to forget Kamel Hussein and his brother. Operation Desert Fox? Oh, that was clinton, a good war.


20 posted on 08/06/2006 10:29:53 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: papertyger
The dinosaur media must be prepping to make another drive at how "uninformed" vast segments of the American people are since the advent of "new media."

That would be THEIR customers that are uninformed.

21 posted on 08/06/2006 10:30:49 AM PDT by SouthTexas (It's summer, of course it's hot.)
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To: cyberdasher
Half of U.S. Still Believes Iraq Had WMD

Look at the above headline. Now look at the sentence below that was pulled from the article

Despite this, a Harris Poll released July 21 found that a full 50 percent of U.S. respondents - up from 36 percent last year - said they believe Iraq did have the forbidden arms when U.S. troops invaded in March 2003

How can 50% (HALF) STILL believe if the number who believe has gone UP 14% since last year? A truthful headline would have been "More Americans now believe Iraq had WMD" The rapidly failing media is getting more and more obvious as their desperation to remain relevant reaches critical mass.

22 posted on 08/06/2006 10:31:07 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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...in the same article where he belittles people who are aware of the fact that we found hundreds of WMDs.
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The left, especially the MSM, will foreever continue to rewrite reality to suit their agenda. It does not matter what is real or important to anyone other than them.


23 posted on 08/06/2006 10:31:16 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: cyberdasher

As far as I know wmd's of various sorts WERE found in Iraq, so why wouldn't 1/2 STILL believe?


24 posted on 08/06/2006 10:32:01 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cyberdasher

Shouldn't the headline read "Half of U.S. STILL DOESN'T believe Iraq had WMD's?


25 posted on 08/06/2006 10:33:36 AM PDT by rockabyebaby (When you reach the end of your rope, tie a knot in it and hang on. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cyberdasher
Count me in.


26 posted on 08/06/2006 10:34:05 AM PDT by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. Just say 'no' to demorats!)
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To: cyberdasher
With as many reports about the WMD that were found (BBC World News repeatedly), the miracle is that half of the U.S. doesn't believe that WMDs were found.
27 posted on 08/06/2006 10:36:02 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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28 posted on 08/06/2006 10:36:24 AM PDT by woofie
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To: cyberdasher
Some fancy footwork by Charles Hanley:
29 posted on 08/06/2006 10:41:26 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Turbopilot
Am I the only person who remembers the (one) news story about chemicals found in the Euphrates River when our troops took Baghdad?
30 posted on 08/06/2006 10:45:32 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: papertyger

That's funny,because there was a Pew poll just released that showed that listeners of Rush and other talk radio(conservative) were found to be more informed than other Americans.


31 posted on 08/06/2006 10:46:28 AM PDT by mrsmel (Men possess talent. Genius possesses men. Chocolate cravings possess women.)
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To: cyberdasher

UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after

WorldTribune.com ^ | 6/11/04


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1151984/posts


32 posted on 08/06/2006 10:49:28 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: cyberdasher

I think Iran and its proven nuclear weapons program are opening peoples' eyes about what Iraq was capable of. North Korea, too. It's a dangerous world out there, and DESPITE the AP, people are getting a clue about it.


33 posted on 08/06/2006 10:55:23 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: cyberdasher
you can't prove a negative, can't prove there weren't any WMDs. I think these Americans who "still" believe just have some common sense. They know who Saddam is, they know he had ambitions to be "The Land Of Jihad".

I think the White House caved on this issue when they didn't have to.

34 posted on 08/06/2006 10:58:04 AM PDT by dangerfield
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To: mrsmel

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1675826/posts


35 posted on 08/06/2006 10:58:50 AM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: Ditter
"Am I the only person who remembers the (one) news story about chemicals found in the Euphrates River when our troops took Baghdad? "

No you are not. Both the Tigris and Euphrates tested positive on the first days of the war.

36 posted on 08/06/2006 10:59:09 AM PDT by Jumpmaster (Teddy is all wet.)
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To: cyberdasher

And yet 55%, according to a poll this past week, think our going into Iraq was a mistake. I think most Americans are morons.


37 posted on 08/06/2006 11:19:54 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: HitmanLV

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1678389/posts


38 posted on 08/06/2006 11:21:49 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Mr. Brightside
Remember, you can't spell "crap" or "appeasement" without "AP".
39 posted on 08/06/2006 11:22:17 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: Wolverine

Thank you:)


40 posted on 08/06/2006 11:23:25 AM PDT by mrsmel (Men possess talent. Genius possesses men. Chocolate cravings possess women.)
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To: Ditter

I remember. A story, btw, that the Administration let drift down the river along with those chemicals. Why haven't they trumpted this? And do you recall the story from 2004 about the attempted chemical weapons attack on the capital of Jordan? The perpetrators admitted they received their training, their funding, and the weaponized chemical weapon from al Zarqawi in Iraq before Saddam was toppled.


41 posted on 08/06/2006 11:25:02 AM PDT by My2Cents (A pirate's life for me.)
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To: cyberdasher

"If you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons?

He's already demonstrated a willingness to use these weapons.

He poison-gassed his own people.

He used poison gas and other weapons of mass destruction against his neighbors.

This man has no compunction about killing lots and lots of people...."


-- Al Gore, Dec. 16, 1998


42 posted on 08/06/2006 11:34:11 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Perdogg
That number shall climb before November.

I suspect that by November the only Democrats remaining who will still believe there were no WMD in Iraq will be the same Democrats who think Bush was behind 9/11 - - you know, the illiterate goofball contingent that makes up the Democrat party "base".

43 posted on 08/06/2006 11:39:11 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Invisible Gorilla

>>How many Americans still believe the AP?

The Arab Press? Proven liars.


44 posted on 08/06/2006 11:44:19 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: cyberdasher

Most of the rest of us KNOW Saddam had WMD. The Hizzybaloos are waiting for permission from their puppet masters to start using them on the Lebanese people, with the aim of making it look like Israel is doing it.


45 posted on 08/06/2006 11:55:16 AM PDT by kcmt01
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To: RightWhale

'My goodness!' Donald Rumsfeld, SECDEF


46 posted on 08/06/2006 11:59:04 AM PDT by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: cyberdasher
Half of U.S. Still Believes Iraq Had WMD

That's because they did.
47 posted on 08/06/2006 12:45:36 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: cyberdasher

Yup -- that's the actual headline.

Sheesh.


48 posted on 08/06/2006 1:08:41 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: cyberdasher

I'll bet more than half of the Kurds that Saddam gassed still believe he had WMD.


49 posted on 08/06/2006 1:19:43 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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Al-Jazeera has picked up the piece and called it

Half of Americans Still Believe in the Saddam WMD Story, God Help the World

Poked a few holes into the story here.
50 posted on 08/06/2006 1:30:50 PM PDT by Starman417
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