Posted on 08/06/2006 10:41:04 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
One reported dead so far...more to follow.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
30 injured. One house destroyed.
The Fajr-5 (Arabic, Persian: ÝÌÑ-5, meaning "dawn-5") is an artillery rocket developed by Iran in early 2006. The system is part of the Fajr family of rockets.
In May 2006, Iran's Aerospace Industries Organization (AIO) has developed an upgraded version of the well-established Fadjr-5 333 mm (4-round) unguided surface-to-surface artillery rocket system (ARS).[1]
The latest production of the Fadjr-5 is installed on a new Mercedes-Benz 6 x 6 forward control chassis and the platform is now integrated into a complete weapon system rather than an individual launcher. To provide a more stable firing platform four hydraulically operated stabilisers are lowered to the ground before firing.
The new chassis has improved cross-country mobility and the forward control fully enclosed cab provides space for the driver and two passengers. Another fully enclosed cabin to the immediate rear of the cab houses the remainder of the crew. The new Mercedes-Benz chassis is similar to that manufactured in China, which is used as the basis for the Norinco (China North Industries Corporation) 122 mm (40-round) Type 90 ARS.
While the primary role of this artillery rocket system is the engagement of land targets, AIO says that a radar can be added to give the system the capability to track and engage naval targets. The Fajr-5 missile, which is launched from a mobile platform, reportedly has a range of 75 kilometers, or 50 miles.
sadly, a significant death toll expected in Haifa on top of 12 IDF reservists killed today at Kfar Giladi. well, is it "proportionate" enough for you yet, world press?
How soon will"rooters" have its pictures up of THIS tragedy?
Source of the fire was Tyre, Lebanon. You know they prefer it when the Jews are the victims and their enemies are unscathed.
Somebody needs to be bombing Iran, ASAP. If Israel can't do it, we need to.
It's time for the Christian world community to start earnestly praying for Israel. THEY MUST DEFEAT the terrorists! Every eye is on Israel and it's crucial they crash the enemy....very seriously! We must start a prayer vigil for them. Being so far from there, that's about the only thing we can do besides support and stand next to her! Father in heaven, please give Israel a supernatural victory against her evil enemies!
I agree. And if Iran complains, just tell them that they were rockets from HizButthole, that simply overflew their targets.
Ping
Commiting the bulk of thier ground forces in lebanon would leave thier Syrian flank exposed. Can't risk it.
I'm sure the IDF is much bigger than 4 divisions, am I wrong?
4 divisions is 100,000 + , that is alot of ground troops. Can't see Israel having more then 6 counting reserves.
If Syria makes a move against Israel, the USA will become involved one way or another.
NO, that's not correct. Today divisions are much smaller even in Israel. I'd say a disision is 12 - 14,000. Brigades are around 4,000.
The commentary on Fox is really nauseating. "This shows that hezbollah has the ability to launch sophisticated rockets deep into Israel...". They ain't sophisticated guy. It's a solid fuel finned tube with an explosive payload you jerk. Disgusting.
Not sure if these numbers are correct - but this is what I found.
The IDF as of August, 2004 had (according to unofficial estimates) 168,000 personnel, including 107,500 conscripts. The army had 125,000; the navy had 8,000; the air force had 35,000. Full mobilization to 576,000 could be quickly achieved with the reserves of 408,000
In 1983, the United States and Israel established a Joint Political Military Group, which convenes twice a year. Both the U.S. and Israel participate in joint military planning and combined exercises, and have collaborated on military research and weapons development. Additionally the U.S. military maintains two classified, pre-positioned War Reserve Stocks in Israel valued at $493 million. [1] Israel has the official distinction of being an American Major non-NATO ally. As a result of this, America shares the vast majority of its security and military technology with Israel.
Question to all you military guys: What would be your response to the agressors.
Agreed. Syria deserves to have its military destroyed because of the aid it's giving terrorists in Iraq. We've turned a blind eye to that despite the killings of our forces there.
Question to all you military guys: What would be your response to the agressors.
I think an israeli division only has around 5,000 soldiers, not 25,000
Yeah, it's not sophisticated, but it is a qualitative step up in range and warhead size. Still, the IDF can put a 2,000 bomb exactly where it wants. That's sophisticated.
This squares with what I've read before.
Ok fine,I accept that, used to be 20,000 + in my day but times have changed, in either case I do not think Israel can safely commit 4 divisions to Lebanon, which was my point, not trivia on the current size of a division.
Every single news person right now reminds me of Wayne Gayle from Natural Born Killers. Interested only in their own resumes and the carnage they've covered.
Well, it's not trivia, amigo. I mean it's a big difference and runs directly to the point you're making. Can Israel send 4 divisions are not? If post #22 is correct, I believe they can.
that's "or not" not "are not."
My understanding is that divisional strenght ranges around the world from 10,000 - 15,000 troops.
Maybe, but what's done is done. And now they must finish Hizbollah, protect their people, and do the world a favor too.
Division - 10,000 to 15,000 soldiers. Usually consisting of three brigade-sized elements and commanded by a major general, divisions are numbered and assigned missions based on their structures. The division performs major tactical operations for the corps and can conduct sustained battles and engagements.
This definition leaves out the most important part. A Division is the smallest army unit able to operate independately.
Really did not want to get side tracked on the size of a division. I just think commiting 4 Division into Lebanon might be walking into a trap by leaving to few troops to protect flanks. That's all, but I am sure the IDF will not walk into a trap, so I am not worried.
THEY MUST DEFEAT the terrorists!
It's time to take supreme action against all terrorists! The terrorists will never be swayed by any cease fire...since they haven't kept their end of the bargain in the past (remember the Palestinians). Israel and the world need to act together to get rid of these filthy animals. GO ISRAEL!
Let just end this whole thing. Call for a big world war, we can then bomb all the islamic fundamentalist countries, anyone who supports them and France.
Then there finally will be 'peace in the valley'!
How soon will"rooters" have its pictures up of THIS tragedy?
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as soon as it can use the erasure tool in photoshop to eliminate the Israeli casualties.
You'd think that the world would know better than to appease killers
Millions of lives would have been saved, if someone had destroyed Hitler in the 1930's The Road to WWII
Hitler rearms the nation in direct violation of the treaty of Versailles and then proceeds to remilitarize the strategic Rhineland region. All of this was in direct violation of the Treaty but yet no nation attempted to stop Hitler. France was in particular position to act and could have easily ended Hitler's militaristic expansion but did not do so fearing war.Millions of lives can be saved if Islamo-Fascist Terrorists are destroyed.
Im sure the libs will have an excuse for the terrorists on this one
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
The US also owes Syria, but for some reason we turn a blind eye as they aid the killers of Americans, other coalition partners, and Iraqis in Iraq. That's a tough one to explain.
I think Israel better step it up a little bit.
I'd like to be a fly on the wall at the next cabinet meeting. And I think we should all watch the editorials in the Israeli press to see if there isn't a greater sense of urgency evoked.
Given that every able-bodied non-muslim Israeli of military age is a reservist or a soldier, and their population is about 5 million, I wouldn't be surprised if they could put a million and a half troops into the field if necessary. But pure numbers are not how modern war is fought anymore - Saddam's half-million-strong army didn't get him very far, and wouldn't have at twice its number.
4 Divisions would be 40,000 or so, out of 400,000 or so. I think they could, and they probably will. Or at least some approximation of that number.
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