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Whatever it is, this isn't Treason
Observer-Reporter (SW Pennsylvania paper) ^ | 8/6/06 | Editorial staff

Posted on 08/06/2006 1:52:57 PM PDT by Coop

We cannot recall when, if ever, a congressional race in our corner of the world developed a national focus, but such was the case last week. Unfortunately, it was characterized by the kind of overheated rhetoric that plagues today's politics.

A group of veterans announced it would sponsor a national veterans rally in October to protest Rep. John Murtha's opposition to the Iraq war. "Vets for the Truth" is a successor to one of the organizations that worked against John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.

But the group does not simply disagree with Murtha that the United States should pull out of Iraq; it claims that things he has said were "treasonous." His position actually is that the U.S. and its coalition troops have done all they can do and that the war can not be won militarily, which is not only a far cry from treason, it's probably a realistic assessment of the situation in Iraq.

Murtha, of course, is a big boy and an old political pro. (When he came out against the war last November, he coupled it with a personal attack on Vice President Dick Cheney.) He also has deep connections to the military establishment and to veterans groups. Last week, the Murtha camp countered the veterans group by producing former U.S. Sen. Max Clelland, who lost three limbs in Vietnam, to counter what he called "the right wing smears against a good man." A news conference held by his opponents in downtown Johnstown Thursday was dwarfed by a pro-Murtha rally at which Cleland was featured, although Murtha wasn't there; he was busy campaigning for a Democrat congressional candidate in Eastern Pennsylvania.)

There were complaints that Murtha, who was also wounded in Vietnam, was being "Swift-boated," a reference to the Navy veterans who hounded Kerry two years ago. The Swift boat controversy was about things that happened better than 30 years before and was a response to Kerry's foolishly making Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign. The Murtha dispute is at least about what's going on today.

Murtha's Republican challenger, Washington County Commissioner Diana Irey, appeared to be making the most of the situation without joining the protesters. She earlier charged, correctly, that Murtha had unfairly declared that a Marine squad had killed two dozen civilians "in cold blood" in Haditha, even though the accusation was still being investigated.

Also, last week, a Marine Corps sergeant under investigation in connection with Haditha, filed a defamation suit accusing Murtha of spreading "false and malicious lies." There was a curious footnote to Murtha's response to the suit.

A news release from Murtha's office received in our newsroom Wednesday called the plaintiff "a Marine Corps staff sergeant charged in the incident at Haditha." The fact is that, while the initial Pentagon investigation reportedly supports the general accusation, nobody has been charged in the case.

When we double-checked Murtha's Web site on Thursday, the first sentence of the news release had been re-written to remove the word "charged." The original claim had been dropped down the memory hole without explanation.

While all this makes good political theater, its effect in November is questionable. Murtha's party has a huge voter registration majority in the district, he is a master at dispensing pork, and few people in his home area of Johnstown speak ill of him, including the Republican leadership. Even if the insurgency in Iraq were to suddenly collapse, it probably wouldn't hurt him at all.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2006; abscam; cutandrun; election2006; electioncongress; exmarine; haditha; iraq; irey; murthawatch; yesitistreason
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Curious how this paper (which endorsed Kerry in 2004) overlooked the veterans' understandable outrage regarding Murtha's reckless and treasonous Haditha guilty verdict, and even more curious (not!) was its neglect to mention that despite a huge voter registration advantage Kerry only managed 51% in this district two years ago.

While all this makes good political theater, its effect in November is questionable.

ROTFLMAO!! Okay, so then why all the media interest? And all the Murtha attacks?

1 posted on 08/06/2006 1:52:59 PM PDT by Coop
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To: All
Please support Murtha's worthy opponent - Commissioner Diana Irey.

2 posted on 08/06/2006 1:54:27 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: 4yearlurker; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; acsrp38; agincourt1415; A message; angcat; armydawg1; ...
Ping

FReepmail me if you'd like on or off the Irey/Murtha ping list.

3 posted on 08/06/2006 1:55:14 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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Diana Irey still leads all 17 other conservative candidates in fundraising on this new resource - Rightroots

Her total is just a few dollars shy of $7,000, and the site hasn't even been around a week yet.

4 posted on 08/06/2006 1:57:02 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop
Last week, the Murtha camp countered the veterans group by producing former U.S. Sen. Max Clelland, who lost three limbs in Vietnam,

Stopped reading right there. Continuing the propoganda that Cleland is some sort of a hero.

5 posted on 08/06/2006 1:58:34 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Coop

Is rightroots.com solely for Republicans challenging RATs? Or does/will it include conservative incumbents? Just wondering.


6 posted on 08/06/2006 2:00:02 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Fidel - NO MAS!)
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To: Fudd Fan

Rightroots elected not to support incumbents, since they generally have a much easier time (understandably) raising money.


7 posted on 08/06/2006 2:01:01 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: Coop

8 posted on 08/06/2006 2:02:05 PM PDT by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: digger48

The this the same Max Cleland who blew himself up playing with a grenade?


9 posted on 08/06/2006 2:03:09 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: digger48

Of course they're furthering the propoganda that Cleland is some sort of hero. That's supposed to give Jack Murtha some sort of credibility. They must think the voter's in this district are majorly stupid.

Read on. But slip your tootsies into your boots. It gets pretty deep.


10 posted on 08/06/2006 2:04:06 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Coop

Diana Irey bump!


11 posted on 08/06/2006 2:04:55 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: Coop

Old traitors never die, they just Murtha way....


12 posted on 08/06/2006 2:05:05 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Coop


Furthermore, we want to wish Lamont luck in his bid to take Leiberman's seat...


13 posted on 08/06/2006 2:05:19 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Coop
the first sentence of the news release had been re-written to remove the word "charged." The original claim had been dropped down the memory hole without explanation.

ROTFL...Were they misrepresenting the facts, just inept or avoiding another lawsuit? We'll never know because Murtha's minders won't write a script for him to explain.

14 posted on 08/06/2006 2:06:07 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Coop

>>His position actually is that the U.S. and its coalition troops have done all they can do and that the war can not be won militarily<<

I don't believe that's quite what Murtha said... I remember it being significantly worse than that.


15 posted on 08/06/2006 2:07:25 PM PDT by gondramB (Named must your fear be before banish it you can.)
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To: jimbo123

Lets be kind. Call it a "work accident".


16 posted on 08/06/2006 2:08:04 PM PDT by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: jimbo123
Max Cleland is the only Lieutenant I know of who fragged himself during the Vietnam War. There may have been others, but they didn't live to tell the story.
17 posted on 08/06/2006 2:08:51 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Coop
and few people in his home area of Johnstown speak ill of him, including the Republican leadership.I knew that ridiculous comment from the local GOP chair would resurface throughout this
18 posted on 08/06/2006 2:08:52 PM PDT by digger48
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To: digger48

jeez , you'd think by now, I'd learn to "preview" my posts


19 posted on 08/06/2006 2:10:09 PM PDT by digger48
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To: Coop

Hi, a new guy here.. but I seem to recall that there is more to Murtha than meets the eye:

From The Washington Times:

Last June, the Los Angeles Times reported how the ranking member on the defense appropriations subcommittee has a brother, Robert Murtha, whose lobbying firm represents 10 companies that received more than $20 million from last year's defense spending bill. "Clients of the lobbying firm KSA Consulting -- whose top officials also include former congressional aide Carmen V. Scialabba, who worked for Rep. Murtha as a congressional aide for 27 years -- received a total of $20.8 million from the bill," the L.A. Times reported.
In early 2004, according to Roll Call, Mr. Murtha "reportedly leaned on U.S. Navy officials to sign a contract to transfer the Hunters Point Shipyard to the city of San Francisco." Laurence Pelosi, nephew of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, at the time was an executive of the company which owned the rights to the land. The same article also reported how Mr. Murtha has been behind millions of dollars worth of earmarks in defense appropriations bills that went to companies owned by the children of fellow Pennsylvania Democrat, Rep. Paul Kanjorski. Meanwhile, the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan campaign-finance watchdog group, lists Mr. Murtha as the top recipient of defense industry dollars in the current 2006 election cycle.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060620-083859-8753r.htm


20 posted on 08/06/2006 2:13:08 PM PDT by Bubble Girl
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To: gondramB
I don't believe that's quite what Murtha said... I remember it being significantly worse than that.

Here's a nice collection of Murtha quotes, compliments of W04man:

http://www.vets4irey.com/Murtha.shtml

21 posted on 08/06/2006 2:14:33 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: digger48
Continuing the propoganda that Cleland is some sort of a hero.

He served. He lost limbs in a training accident. That qualifies as a hero to anyone who doesn't have an ideological axe to grind.

22 posted on 08/06/2006 2:14:37 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: jude24

No it doesn't.


23 posted on 08/06/2006 2:15:34 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: DJ Taylor
haha....I'm sorry when anyone loses limb or life but to put this guy up as a hero when like you said he "fragged" himself playing hot potato with a grenade is utterly mindless....yes...too bad he lost limbs...but he is more a moron then a hero.....maybe he did himself a favor before the company got to him.......
24 posted on 08/06/2006 2:16:22 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: Coop

What are the Poll numbers?


25 posted on 08/06/2006 2:16:52 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (A New Sheriff in OTown! http:// www.electBillArmstrong.org)
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To: digger48

Cleland will call Diana Irey a "chicken hawk" for not serving in Vietnam.


26 posted on 08/06/2006 2:17:34 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: NorCalRepub
but he is more a moron then a hero

Says an anonymous keyboard jockey from behind the safety of a computer.

27 posted on 08/06/2006 2:17:47 PM PDT by jude24 ("I will oppose the sword if it's not wielded well, because my enemies are men like me.")
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To: Tzimisce

Yeah,.... good luck Ned Lamont you Commie Son*Of*A*******

Ned Lamont's Family Heritage (Communists)
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/commiebones.htm ^ | 2006 | Richard Arnold


Posted on 07/07/2006 12:03:58 AM MDT by OPS4


28 posted on 08/06/2006 2:18:20 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: jude24

He served. He injured himself, which happens...but heroes don't go around acting like they got their wounds in combat when they were self-inflicted. Heroes don't self-righteously pimp themselves like Cleland does.


29 posted on 08/06/2006 2:18:38 PM PDT by Sisku Hanne (*Support DIANA IREY for US Congress!* Send "Cut-n-Run" Murtha packing: HIT THE ROAD, JACK!)
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To: jude24

Yelps a Democrat!


30 posted on 08/06/2006 2:18:40 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: jude24

It depends, doesn't it? Cleland happens to be a legless politician too whom I recall went to Bush's ranch with Cindy Sheehan to hand deliver a letter.. it was a stunt..

Bush had already met with Sheehan...


31 posted on 08/06/2006 2:18:41 PM PDT by Bubble Girl
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To: Coop
Whatever it is, this isn't Treason

"Most U.S. troops will leave Iraq within a year because the Army is "broken, worn out" and "living hand to mouth,"

For an American Congressman to say this during the time of war, Sir, is definitely treason.

32 posted on 08/06/2006 2:19:08 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Tzimisce
Furthermore, we want to wish Lamont luck in his bid to take Lieberman's seat.

Can you please elaborate on that further?

If Lamont wins the Dem primary, as he is now favored to do, there will be a three way race in November, with Lieberman staying in on an independent line. This might give the GOP candidate a chance to capture that seat, since the Dem vote could be divided. But Lamont is clearly the farthest left of the three, so his taking Lieberman's seat would be bad news, IMHO.

33 posted on 08/06/2006 2:19:10 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Coop

Another small-time newspaper trying to be the New York Times.


34 posted on 08/06/2006 2:19:24 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: jude24

every one who posts here is a keyboard jockey behind a computer....including you.....that is my opinion....live with it......


35 posted on 08/06/2006 2:19:42 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: Coop

36 posted on 08/06/2006 2:23:27 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Coop

"A news conference held by his opponents in downtown Johnstown Thursday was dwarfed by a pro-Murtha rally at which Cleland was featured"

Seems to me I read the opposite was true..that the rally for Murtha was quite smaller..


37 posted on 08/06/2006 2:23:30 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info)
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To: Coop

I wonder if "Murtha" will join "Quisling" and "Benedict Arnold" in our future lexicon . . .


38 posted on 08/06/2006 2:23:47 PM PDT by cvq3842
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

No, Murtha and his goons had more folks.


39 posted on 08/06/2006 2:24:04 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: cvq3842
I wonder if "Murtha" will join "Quisling" and "Benedict Arnold" in our future lexicon . . .

Perhaps... if enough of us get off our duffs and work to defeat him in November.

40 posted on 08/06/2006 2:25:02 PM PDT by Coop (No, there are no @!%$&#*! polls on Irey vs. Murtha!)
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To: LdSentinal

no that honor would go to Lautenberg...


41 posted on 08/06/2006 2:25:10 PM PDT by Schwaeky (Welcome to America--Now speak English or LEAVE!)
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To: Bubble Girl

Welcome to FR BUMP.


42 posted on 08/06/2006 2:31:50 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Jack Murtha. BAH!)
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To: DJ Taylor
Murtha's words gave 'aid & comfort' to the enemy... but what Kerry did in Paris during Vietnam was worse.

Shoot'm both.

43 posted on 08/06/2006 2:33:08 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Thanks! Hope I can make some decent contributions to the discussions here..


44 posted on 08/06/2006 2:34:16 PM PDT by Bubble Girl
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To: donmeaker; OSHA
Lets be kind. Call it a "work accident".

Then someone needs to notify OSHA, because all workplace accidents need to be reported.

45 posted on 08/06/2006 2:42:09 PM PDT by concretebob (We should give anarchists what they want. There'd be no jail-time for anything we do.)
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To: Coop

OK, makes sense. Just wondered, thanks.


46 posted on 08/06/2006 2:43:36 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Fidel - NO MAS!)
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To: jude24

Doesn't that describe us all, tho.


47 posted on 08/06/2006 2:49:23 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Fidel - NO MAS!)
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To: digger48; Coop
Not a hero, he made a very dumb mistake, and if he'd just shut up and not allow himself to be paraded around like a hero, I'd think more of him.

Old Ann Coulter column-"Cleland drops a political grenade"

First Cleland let Kerry use him, now he's letting Murtha.He needs to give it up.

48 posted on 08/06/2006 2:50:47 PM PDT by smoothsailing (Support The Troops-Support The Mission--Please Visit http://www.irey.com--&--Vets4Irey.com)
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To: jude24
He lost limbs in a training accident.

Nope. Look it up.

49 posted on 08/06/2006 2:51:39 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: Coop

Isn't is wonderful how when a Democrat dispenses with pork, it makes him politically smart and caring, but when a Republican does it, he is Boss Tweed?


50 posted on 08/06/2006 2:55:44 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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